Oh boy.
One of those weeks, huh?
Okay.
Well, I'm not.
Oh, we are recording, finally. Share my screen. Well, I know, but I couldn't find a record button for the Zoom recording.
I've got Simple screen recorder go on, but that's, you know, that's.
That's an additional thing. Anyway.
Month to pump the font a couple times.
Okay, Oh shift.
Okay, I'm back in, I'm gonna stay off the headphones and just use the regular internal speaker and Mike.
This headphones just fucking up and I got a back off. Just we launch zoom.
I'll be right back in 30 Si just got to grab some
Well, while we're waiting for Garrett, while we're gait waiting for Gary.
Carriers back.
Hey, Gary.
Okay, call a meeting or call a meeting order, would you?
Come down harder come to art. There's too much rowdiness here
Yeah.
Okay.
And you should have just received an email with my title and abstract.
All right.
Alright. Oh gosh.
First.
Day Forest is not gonna be here, I take it.
It's not like
Correct. He sounded better on his voice sounded better on the phone, but he said he still just really feels bad and didn't think he could really hang into the meeting so Hey, James.
Yeah.
Did you send that trip talker track?
Good.
No, I sent that to Steercom, Stan, and Garrett.
We ought to just eliminate that.
Okay, if you could
Okay.
We ought to eliminate gary@sloop.org because you never read the damn thing.
Do you?
Are you losing again?
I think so. Well, Sean's not here. I'll act as a recorder for this for the meeting.
She wanted to.
That the agenda minutes and all that kind of stuff. Any comments about the Treasury report? Can you put that in later?
Yeah. Okay.
Hey, we got money.
Lee?
Well, we got some.
Should I should I close out why you wouldn't or you want to put it in later? Lee.
I'll do it, man.
I will make up a room. This is Yeah. Right.
Okay. Okay.
And did you want me to send that email to Trip tucker@gmail.com at 2?
Also.
A trip-tucker track@gmail.com.
Okay, can do.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Is anything we should note about the upcoming Treasury Report?
Give me a few minutes, I'll check real quick.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't think, I don't think we had any advantages. Okay.
And.
Oh, I forgot to do the calendar report. Oh well.
Sorry about that, folks.
I did get the, being counts in. At the prescriber stuff.
Go see the meet up stuff. We're up to 9 95 now. I don't know.
I'm starting to wonder what's gonna happen if with the we hit a thousand Oh, who's paying for this damn thing?
And what was the last time I saw? Good.
I'm not. Yeah, if, if we, yeah, if we hit a thousand, Bump up the cost to him?
Cause, I got in looking. And out of all those 990 some People have joined.
Yeah, the system does list the last time that they checked. The the meeting at a particular meeting. And about half of them have checked within the last 6 months.
And about the other half. Have not checked our calendar on Meetup. In the last year or whatever.
And there is a way to go in there and delete them. And do you think it might be a good idea to start deleting people out of the system?
If we have to.
Get that number down if we have to. I mean, hell. Yeah. I guess it might if you know, we'll find out from Ken when he says.
They doubled his cost or whatever.
Well.
Yeah. Well, we may wanna be a proactive on that. If one of us could check with meet up and see what the pricing structure is.
I don't like, I don't like talking. I do not like talking the meet up or writing them anything.
1,000. Okay. I know. I know.
I mean, it's like, it's like beating your head against the wall and then then taking a knife and cutting your throat
So if you feel so inclined, go ahead.
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Yep.
Alright.
Alright, so anyway. But more than likely, I think. The announce may have gone down to 4 65.
Yeah
I think that was the number that. Mike night may have just punched in in the last week or so.
And whatever. But I do get, I do have the attendance be accounts I did put them in.
So. Slack meeting was 7. The Slug meeting was 20. And St.
Louis Linux users group was only 14 very disappointing. And the new lug was kind of steady around 11.
Yeah.
I don't know what else to say about that. No comments.
So checking on meet up. Looks like they only charge by just. Per month but they also have an awful awful listing with gray text on photographs of bikers.
Like selfies.
So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah, this might just be a by month, not by members.
Alright, but just a heads up.
Well, but before last, We started getting somebody was to posting. Ads for mushrooms and other kinds of psychedelic stuff.
In the photos and and I complained about it. And, Ken went in and turned off the, the ability of, of.
Subscribers that general public to post pictures. So. The the pictures you're talking about are they too to our meeting.
I haven't seen anything on ours. Like that yet. Is that so?
Is it?
Okay. I'll throw a link in the chat, but it is. It is bad like this is a official document on their end and you have to like select all the text in order to read it.
Oh, so that's something that's that's meetup.com garbage. It's not It's not true.
Yeah, yeah, not you.
Okay. Yeah. Anyway.
I don't know. Oh, that's the bead counts.
Before you go back up to the numbers go back up. So, I'm trying to analyze in my head anybody got any offerings of what may have caused this and if you scroll up just a little further and get last year's number on there too Stan.
Much. Okay, good, good. Looks to me like, last year, same month, month of August, we also hit a low of 14 people.
Okay.
So is it, I'm sorry, month of September. Okay.
Yeah
Yeah, also, 2021, same deal. Look at those numbers, 2021. September just a bad month, normally.
Okay.
Yeah. So you guys think that Maybe it's the month and not the subject matter because I was kind of concerned that The subject matter was too esoteric even though it was coming from a red hat speaker.
Oh, well, it was too, it's a terrific. I, you know, I wouldn't have been there if I didn't have to record the damn thing.
Okay.
And in my opinion, the Microsoft speaker was.
Oh.
Okay. Thank you. Yeah.
We
I don't know what the Well, the What the heck? I get I get a confused what was the Linux group that was that was the red hat guy right
Or was it?
No, the Linux group, yes, Linux group was the Red Hat guy, correct? Okay.
Okay. At the okay and the slug meeting was the Microsoft guy And I thought he, I couldn't.
I thought he had a terrible speaking voice and I thought he just really wasn't used to speaking. I don't know.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't know. Whatever. What are we done here?
Yeah, I guess so. Well, yeah. Yeah, we're done.
I mean, I mean, I don't know.
Just.
You can look at the numbers and make guesses about what they all mean. We just don't really know.
Yeah.
Okay. She has. No, Right.
Similar.
Yeah, you give it up. 7.
And how do you look out? No, It's just, Yeah. I have no idea. Okay.
There we go.
Hey.
Yeah.
No comment about the previous year's, previous month, Steercom. We had Labor Day and then the Slack meeting.
Oh, it was quite a good meeting.
Oh crap. And I hit.
Sorry, folks.
Cool.
Anyway.
Lack meeting. The first of the months was fairly good.
What made it good?
Well, I meant to go back and watch the thing again, but I and I just didn't have time.
But I think it was. Participation.
Bye the these some of the. Frequent.
Attendees. I wouldn't, I don't want to call them, regulars, but they've been coming to the last 3 meetings in a row, so.
Yeah, they're almost, regulars. So. Beyond that and it was some of the Technology, I don't know.
We boss all over the place. Anyway. That's about all I can say of that. I just didn't.
You have anything else to say about it? Oh, the slug meeting. Steve Stigman did a thing on the Emacs.
What are your comments?
I'm gonna need comments from from Weir James because I did look at the recording, but I really only looked at it briefly and kind of jumped around and just to see how things were going so I didn't really have a good opportunity to listen to the presentations from beginning to end.
So, Lee or James or even Jonathan. One of you guys has some insights I'm all ears That's great.
Which one? Which one we talking about?
I thought that Steve's They, mac, emacs, the, macs thing.
I, I think. He should have included better sample material would have made it better. Cause he didn't have any real He just stumbled into doing something and he pulled it in a file.
You know, just arbitrary file that to try to demonstrate something. Hey, I think it would have been better if he'd have had a pre planned a better an example of of some kind of sample material.
Oh, that's. Yes, my, er, constructive criticism for that.
Anybody else?
Yeah, sorry, we were in New York.
Oh yeah. Yeah. And then.
And there was a Microsoft Windows subsystem for Linux thing.
There ever go out.
The number of Okay, so moving on to the Microsoft speaker. Some people.
No.
Hey James, I got a question for you since you're Mr. Corporate.
I might have an answer.
Yeah.
With Windows, for Linux is just a Linux VM running under Hyper V, right?
Yes. And they, like when the subsystem 2, that is. Pretty much exactly what it is.
And that gave a more, performance when they actually just decided, okay, it's gonna be a.
Virtual machines.
Yeah, cause with it.
Yeah, what was that last? That last sentence you said they had just decided it was
Yeah, so, a Windows subsystem for Linux is a virtual machine running on the Windows that you can access back and forth and when they did the switch over to the DSL 2, I think that's when they really decided, okay, the virtual machine, I'm not sure what they were doing to support that gave a good bit of performance boost.
Version one they they actually Recompile a whole bunch of stuff to make link, stuff work.
That apparently that was too much work for him to continue doing.
It didn't work very well either.
So. Yeah, it didn't work very well. And, No, the, the virtual machine.
Apparently. Made sense for him to go ahead and switch to it, which Why they didn't do it that way in the first place, I don't know.
Maybe they had maybe they had to go to a virtual box or Novell or somebody and license a whole bunch of stuff, you know, who knows.
So they decided they didn't want to do that anymore. Or they do what they did? Who?
Oh the irony Microsoft having to get software licenses
Yeah, who knows? I don't I don't know which way it might be. You know, who knows how, who, what they had to do to.
Make it work better. Any other comments about that? Presentation besides my thought that is the presenter speaking voice wasn't good I mean I thought it was hard listening to them.
I don't know if it's just me or what.
But, whatever. Are you talking to yourself, Gary?
There you go. I believe I heard him speak in person and yeah, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't a very forceful speaking voice, I guess.
Hi, I know.
So. Yeah, maybe there is. An issue there. Okay
I was thinking maybe he had goggles razor blades or something. I don't know.
It, and maybe, just what he wasn't, used to speaking, I don't know, you know.
Right now. You know, it just seemed. To me, for some reason, it wasn't very good.
Is the sound of his voice. Problem. I don't like as to the content, I don't know what to say.
Hey, did we learn anything? That we didn't already know.
I'm sure I didn't learn anything, cause I can't remember what, what was that morning thing.
I'm good. Good thing we recorded it. Put it up there for posterior. Right?
And it was a very short
Thank you. Thank you. I did notice it was very short because I did actually get logged in that night, but by the time I logged in, I think it was just as he had left because I forget who all was there, you were their stand and and then I went.
Talk going on sounded like the speaker had just left at that point.
Yeah, he had. You, it was about a minute and a half before you came into the meeting.
He left. Yeah, he gave the excuse that he had dinner on the table. Yeah. I don't know.
Moving right along the Podman desktop thing.
Yeah.
The man, the. What's a meeting?
Yeah. That's my fingers.
I don't know what else to say.
Well. It was interesting to learn to learn to learn about all the Red Hat crafts.
Yeah.
Hey Jane.
Yeah, we haven't. We haven't had a guy from Red Hat in quite a number of years come in.
Yes.
You know.
That's the question for me.
And.
Yeah. I've been using Docker for 10 years and I'm obviously I'm a Susie fan.
What?
Seems to me like Podman is a solution looking for a problem.
Because Docker is all free, it's open source. And your red hat is putting, IVM with red has putting all kinds of.
Locks on their source codes, they're not participating in the open source community like the like they should be.
What's your what's your take on?
Okay. I'm pretty sure Podman predated the acquisition by Red Hat and it does solve a problem like I am not super happy about all the containers having root access most everything or So I do like, I want to like pod man just for that reason, but I haven't really had the use case or and there are several.
Things that keep you coming back to doctor like Docker compose.
Okay. Yeah, and have.
I'm sorry that last sentence, James, said like.
Docker compose.
I'll compose, okay, thank you.
Have you ever, have you guys ever looked at, rancher? James.
Not really for my use case.
Okay.
Because I've been doing some of the classes on it and to me that thing seems an order of magnitude more powerful Of course, I haven't even looked at open ship because a little biased against Red Hat right now.
Now, I thought I heard the guy. The pod man guy speaker say that Podman was in fact open source.
Yes.
Yeah, no, not that it is an open source. He was claiming a docker isn't open source Which is false.
Oh, okay.
And to me, that's like the pop call in the kennel black with all the all the crop, you know, all the legal niceties or IBM is trying to wrap their red hat source code in.
Okay
Thank you. Okay, that does put a different spin on it. I have to go back and listen more carefully to the recording.
I misunderstood.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't understand any of this. I don't know what else to type here, folks.
Also, isn't Docker desktop, don't they, do money for that?
That.
Which is different from the Docker containers.
Okay.
Yeah.
I, I think, has created a commercial side. Where they charge for stuff but they still use the open source Docker.
Environment. But you know what I've been playing with is the rancher desktop. You know, you, you can build your own cluster.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
Yeah.
Without ever touching. You know, without ever touching the code files except for some of the the fundamentals, you know, like if you want to do something that's not standard.
You know.
Anything else I should type here, folks?
Second.
No, I, I think you're good, Stan. We don't need to put a lot of, lot of other stuff in the.
Okay.
Good.
Yeah. Okay.
So.
Like if you want
Yeah. So.
Good.
In a new Linux meeting last week, I was late getting to the meeting and And everybody else was waiting on me and I spent some time after getting into finally I didn't start, I didn't realize that I, the meeting was.
Yeah.
I didn't realize till 6 15 it was It was I should have started the meeting And once I did get in, I had to do, you know, 27 things at Watson.
In the meantime, I would spend some time explaining to everybody there that Anybody else could have started the day I'm meeting.
Okay. Okay.
They didn't have to wait on me. Yeah, what GC is done is they with their public server somebody one person has to Sign in and the way they do it is with using either a Google account or a Facebook count or a GitHub account.
Stuff like that. Then for some privacy public meeting requirement or whatever. Never. Did really find out exactly why.
But, then I started,
Sharing these book end slides. The things and describing the the flow and structure of the meeting. And I'm made similar slides for all 4, all 4 of the meetings, you know, the other 3.
Phil was out of town and not available remotely. Because he actually forgot. That there was a meeting.
And I half the time I call him and to remind him and he said, oh yeah, whatever. But anyway.
And, but we had, 3 newcomers, which was kind of nice. One was very should I and he didn't have a microphone.
But the frequent attendees, Sean, Twe House, and Tony C were very helpful with lots of tips during the meeting.
Got a lot of stuff put into the. Into the chat room thing. And I had some problem with my Gicy connection failed twice, but later I did capture the The chatroom text and they showed me that there's a really neat way to do that.
You can you can put your mouse into the chat room and just do a control A and it highlights the entire thing so you can copy the entire thing.
But half not having to go to the top and then scroll down to the whole thing in order to to copy it.
And anyway, I did email copies of that chat. And this does slides to one of that new shy, newcomer.
And, and I was so preoccupied with coming in late, I forgot to turn the dog on recording on.
Set it up, but I forgot to push the button. Got distracted by too many different objects.
So any questions about that?
I think that's all I need to say. I could rattle on and on and on about that forever.
Yeah, really don't need to. Anything else?
Okay, and they're meeting schedule. Today's meeting.
We're here.
Slack meeting is gonna be Thursday.
Bill might be out of town again.
Okay.
No.
Phil is moving by the way through to Arkansas. Anybody didn't know. And he's gonna be living with his sister in Arkansas.
And,
He's been spent a lot of time cleaning out the. The basement of the house he's been living in.
Okay.
Questions about the Slack meeting coming up? You're all welcome to attend. It's usually a configuration workshop kind of thing the more people that show up from here the better because I don't know a lot of answers to the technical questions and Phil being the the leader of trailing edge technology, he's very helpful.
And hopefully some of the other guys can help with the. Questions? The whole idea is that It's supposed to be a troubleshooting kind of meeting.
Used to be face to face. You bring in your equipment. My printer don't work. How come?
Well, bring it to the, to the library and we'll fix it. Well, you can't.
We don't do that anymore. We tried it once last year and Had one guy show up.
Of course it was a problem we could not have fixed. Across the internet. It was one of those, you had to go change the BIOS DAGON thing and You know how difficult that can be.
So, and otherwise his problem would never have been fixed, but. One guy at the library plus the fact that We really couldn't share the the video.
Through the internet. It kept dropping off. I think still actually tried connecting 6 different times and got thrown out 6 different times.
Whatever.
Next show.
Hey, same guy named James Conroy is gonna be doing a fine whole thing. Oh.
Keep track of him. He's a travel maker.
There's a rumor that he's stentless and abstract.
It's there, Gary. You just got check your email.
Okay.
Alright, any other comments?
James, anything to say?
No, sir.
What kind of hardware are you gonna be doing this on? I'm curious.
I've got a Raspberry Pi 4, but you can do it on older and smaller ones.
Yeah. Okay. Just curious.
You definitely do not need the latest and greatest Pi 5 or whatever. It is.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Stan, this is Jonathan. If I can put in a shameless plug for semi bug.
Yeah.
On the fifteenth of September, October, which is the Sunday. Man named Tristram.
Tristram will give a brief introduction to the Rust programming language.
Send me an email. You know, you can, you're welcome to post it up on discuss.
The day, you know, day or 2 fire to drive up attendance. And make sure you send us either, you know, editor.
So the Gary or I can add it to the. Specifics to the calendar.
So this is part one of a 2 port series. The November presentation will be done by our friend and fellow colleague.
And Allen. On New Shell.
Yeah, I was talking to Ed earlier today about that. I'm gonna be helping again put some slides together.
No. It should be.
Oh, you are, so you're gonna do that. Okay, I thought I was slated to see that.
That's fine. That's fine.
Yeah. Unless you want to do it.
No, he had told me that he wanted to meet it. I think he doesn't want me to do it in in text.
But,
Well, No, and Ed, he wants somebody to, to see what he's done and give suggestions and things like that, you know.
So kind of a kind of a peer reviews kind of thing.
Okay, so if you're gonna If you're gonna do it that that meeting is I'll have to get you the data I think it's
I've got it. This is like 30 November or something like that.
20 first of November.
20 first. It's in my calendar, so I don't that all fan remember it. 20 first.
Anyway, it's
Okay.
Okay, I don't understand I don't understand Jonathan the part one and part 2 so these are 2 top picks that are both being done on 15 October.
No, here's how this plays out, Gary.
Yeah.
Good morning to compile New Shell, you need to know something about Rust. Because new shell is written in rust.
So November's presentation is a quick overview of the RUSS programming language. And its system of crates.
A crate is a self contained. Environment with all the all the dependencies included for that particular. Program.
And, so this guy, this man, Chris Tram, who's a contributor on rust.
And also on New Shell. Will give us a talk about. The RUSS programming language. It's enough to get you to compile.
New show. And then at Allen will give the presentation on news shell. And New Shell is.
From what I've seen. It's a cross between corn shell and 93 and bash.
Well, it's it's really traffic.
It could do floating point arithmetic and all that happy stuff.
Again, Ed Holland and Robert Siteck did a presentation on New Shell at Bruce last month or a month before whatever it was.
But, Ed says it'll be a different. Content. Oh.
Okay.
Yeah, that project is still. And it's 0 point 8. It's not released, not re reached one dot o.
So it is, evolving. And so this is,
I'm going to say that this is Ed Chowcasing the the capabilities and is contributed to this so he has profound knowledge of how this thing works.
Is what I'll say. But from what I've seen, Now you can get precompiled binaries.
And run them locally without installing them system wide on your Debian Computer. Just that.
Or Linux computer, I should say, just a Linux Starball.
Yeah, well, since this is not. Dealing with our meetings. Let's just deal with this.
Offline. Okay.
Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. Anyway.
I mean, we, we got, no problem supporting it. Just, you know.
There. Yeah. Oh, we, we can deal with it at the end of this meeting. I mean.
Hey, wait a second. Okay. The main is coming up. Okay.
That's confirmed, right, Gary? You guys just sent us a confirmation or you send him something asking if it's gonna confirm.
Okay. I sent him something. Let me check. My email real fast and see if I can get response back here.
As we know it's confirmed because he's because he did mention it
Alright. As an iceberg, Anybody? Yeah
They haven't bailed yet, let's put it that way.
Yeah, I do. Yeah, I sent him an email this afternoon, have not yet received a reply.
But, in his earlier email, he had committed to both dates. So he, he's the same, same speaker who spoke.
At last month. So.
Alright, any comments further comments on that?
Let me see here. You can still. Yeah. Any, any particular twist anybody thinks we should ask for I mean I, like I say, I, Didn't spend as much time listening to the recording.
As I'd like to so So, I mean, I, I believe he knows his stuff. So I just don't know if there's anything in particular.
Good.
We should ask about Android, but I just wait till he sucks.
Shit.
Thank you. The. I do kinda like the the idea way of running Android stuff on a laptop.
I'd rather run the land, Android stuff on, on the Linux box, but.
Yes, sir.
So. And 5. Okay.
Stan, this is Jonathan. Did you or Gary ever hear anything back from Mr. For a presentation to slew about.
Okay.
Free NAS and, the Linux version of
Thank you.
I sent him a,
Of the region. Okay.
Letter inviting him and I had talked with him and I before the or at the end of the meeting.
This. That's the only other. Right, really hard.
Yeah.
Okay. Now.
And he said he was going to do it and I sent him a letter invite with that gave a list of our schedule whatever On September, I believe tenth and then again on September fourteenth because our schedule changed I sent him an update I need to send him another up update and and if he still intends to do it.
Okay.
But now, no.
A little bit.
No commitment back from. In writing.
No, it did. I'll talk to him on, LinkedIn.
Okay.
Yeah.
And he may be very busy with sales calls. At this time, but, he would, that would be a good presentation.
For you guys.
Yeah, that's, you know, that's under consideration, but we have, I haven't heard back from him, you know, I could ding him get the get.
I wanted to dig in in the last couple of days, but I just ran out of time with everything like, you know,
Bye.
You Okay.
In.
Gary and easy clone. I need a clone. Lane is a clone and Jonathan I'm sure you need a Yeah.
Security.
Well, you can I just say this is a bit of personal advice. These people need to be gently pestered.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm sure.
See?
I mean, they have a lot of stuff on their plate. And, I mean, let me just say, you need to tell them the benefit you say we have 20 to 30 members who attend the main sloop meeting.
Yeah.
This is an excellent marketing opportunity.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. Yeah, that's That's something good I can add into my next, note to him.
Right.
I,
Okay.
Hmm. Oh, wait a minute.
Okay.
Stan I have to run down and get the mail real quick. I'll be back.
Okay.
See you in a minute, Jonathan.
Okay.
Oh.
Okay.
And that was probably the next possible this, the October nineteenth meeting with. Is the potentially the next meeting that they.
The 2 NAS. Topic could be presented at.
But haven't got any commitment back from the guy yet. That's who Jonathan was just now talking about.
Jonathan and I were talking about.
All right, Nes gets into the somewhat sensitive. topic here. Since we have such a low turnout of people for the September presentation by the same speaker.
He's the guy from from Red Hat. And, There was the second presentation and I, Stan, do you remember the title?
Why?
Do you remember the title of the second presentation you offered?
Okay. Yeah.
Oh, the guy from Red Hat? No.
Yeah, I don't remember the title either. We don't have written down there. They did have a second one.
I mean, the one we really want is we want the other guy from Red Hat to talk about the state of Centos.
Yeah.
Oh, and the open source code. But instead, they're offering these He's other presentations.
So.
Yeah, Jonathan and I were talking about a different guy. Not this guy.
Okay.
Yeah.
Right. Right. Yeah. Thank you.
Should I, should I pursue the guy red a half to do the second presentation or? Just let it go if he doesn't say anything and Work on getting somebody else.
DUP, to, Hell if you don't if you don't Prod him, you're not gonna get a response.
On.
Yeah, sure, go for it, Gary.
Even though we had such a low turnout. And that goes down, I was looking at those numbers on the calendar.
Okay.
You could just, you could, you could just say, you know. I do they even do those guys even know how many people are there other than people asking questions?
Okay. I would presume, I mean You know, any of us can just look. Bye.
Well, you know, I think it was the first time he'd done Zoom, so does he know that he could see who was in the room?
I don't know.
Okay.
And I know.
Okay.
No. Yeah, I would do it. I would use a simple sentence saying, See, you know, we expect higher, seasonal turnout beyond, you know, because September is, you know, October is usually a higher turn of seasonal turnout or something like that.
Hello.
Okay. Alright. Perfect. Okay.
You know, just say with October, we expect to hire attendance.
Lie through your teeth.
Okay Okay.
5.
When we or do we think that they are the reason why the I think that's what Gary was getting that.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at and but Stan does perhaps a good point.
Hi. Oh, we can't, We can't tell on that. Nobody wants to listen to him.
Yeah, but we don't have to invite them back.
Okay. I know. This is everybody.
Well, I'll invite him back and they might show up again. With you know, and they'll have something, you know, it.
Hello?
You know, it really looks good if you look on our list of meetings on the presentation archive to have somebody From Red Hat talking about them, to have somebody from Microsoft talking, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
You know, even, you know, even if somebody comes in there and says, oh, you know, they look at the.
I know.
Podman thing and get you know look in at 10 min say I don't care anything about that and stop looking but at least they know that we got somebody from Microsoft or we got somebody from Red Hat.
Yeah
That we get that level of of of speaker.
Yes.
Yeah, you're right. You're right.
You know. You know, and you don't have to, and you can always say, you know, if you can't do it.
Hello. Good. Thank you.
Just in in October, how about November or December? There's a calendar that has more months on the on the pages.
Don't forget, don't forget that this year has October, November, and December before it turns into 24.
2024.
Bye. Wow. Right.
So I think that is a resounding, yes we should.
Alright.
You know, and give them the option of when. List list the available dates.
Thank you. Okay. Getty.
Yeah, I'll agree with it. I'll agree with that, James. I'm with you.
Oh.
And.
You know, will, will invite him and listen to him even if the, you know, I. Personally, I think a lot of our people have their own focus.
Yeah. So.
Like a lot of the non business people are on, you know, Debian and Ubuntu.
Yeah.
I don't see.
But you know, Red Hat's a major player and You know, we can't just count them out because IBM bought them.
Yeah.
Yes, Yes.
We need to, you know, give them at least getting some. Okay.
Yeah. If the opportunity presents itself, would you suggest, you know, if I can get a different speaker for October.
Yes, please
That I could. And maybe then offer the podman or the the potman speaker. Okay, we can get you back in November and December, but that way we get a month of somebody who may be a bit more interesting.
Definitely. Definitely that would be the way to do it, Gary.
Yeah. That'd be good plan.
Okay. Alright.
You know, and if you got them, you know, it's always better not to have them back to back.
I would think.
Okay. Alright. Thank you. This would be the opportune time, but Jonathan is not back yet.
But oddly enough, The next thing that I wanted to try and track down is, I wanted to track down a speaker for rust and, So, I didn't expect Jonathan to have this guy.
Yeah, a couple.
If I remember correctly, we had a Russ speaker. Year and a half, 2 years, was only a couple months ago.
Yeah, it was. I think it was pretty recent.
I was thinking, Okay. Okay, I was thinking of Maybe inviting him back. I will at least make sure I tell him about, Jonathan's presentation.
God bless America.
Oh.
Jonathan's speaker. There's also a talk I saw advertised by a completely different group that I thought looked really interesting.
Okay.
What the shit?
And it was rust hers Swift. So I think that'd be a really I didn't get a chance to go to the talk I didn't get chance to go to the talk so I got to go back find it and meet up And so, Thank you.
I was in July.
Okay.
Using, using Unix, CLI tools written in rest by Michael Man.
Okay July this year, July last year.
Good question.
Thank you.
No, July 2020. Well, that's longer going I thought.
Okay Yeah. That's why I was thinking it was probably more like 2 years, but no, it's more like 3 or 4.
Okay.
Yes. Okay.
Did I kill my sound?
No, you're good.
Yeah.
Hello, we hear you.
Yeah.
Hello Hello?
We hear you.
Shit.
We hear you.
God bless America.
I don't know why you can't hear us. Yeah.
Thank you.
Stan still logged in.
I'm going to keep talking just to stands listening. He can hear me because otherwise he'll be wondering what's not being heard.
Okay.
So I'm gonna move my There we go. I hear stand.
Okay, you can hear me now. All right, good.
Okay.
Yes. Oh, we, we heard you all along, Stan. You just couldn't hear us, but we heard you.
Okay.
Okay. Yeah. Did I make you ears turn blue?
No.
No such luck.
Hmm. Hmm.
Yes, Jonathan. Jonathan.
Yes. Oh yeah.
Jonathan? Are you hearing us? Oh, okay. I want to attract your attention because I just, saying that it was, it was interesting that you have a rust speaker because I was one of the things I was going to propose that I you know look for next is somebody to speak on rust And, just because I thought it was a good topic for us to go back and revisit, Lee just looked it
up. We had a Russ speaker back in July of 2020. And so I thought it'd be nice to go back and, revisited again.
I will try and, and, and tell him about your presentation, Jonathan, your presentation you were just telling us about.
Okay.
So. Hey.
Basically, Gary. My rest presentation is probably going to be very short. It's only an overview.
And it's enough for people to Compile. You shall so that Ed Howland can get people to.
Yeah. Might learn about it in schools.
One guy is, for his presentation.
Thank you. Hmm.
I don't know. Bye.
That's the purpose.
Hey.
Okay, nice nice Very good. By the way, James, something I meant to ask, when we were talking about your, your presentation next week.
What are you envisioning? Time was I know I've been saying that we should try and hold that to a 20 min long.
Session but I'm I'm wondering if the speaker since he was so short months ago If he only plans a sharp presentation.
We maybe don't really need to hold you to 20 min, but what were you thinking?
Yeah, 20 min was the doll. I could probably go on and like have a live, install or something like that.
Okay.
Is it, it can be Docker just with a shell script.
Okay.
Which reminds me, I last week, I attended a a GC meeting out of Canada.
Okay.
Your thing.
Or the speaker was talking about setting up PF cents firewall. To protect his pie hole? And it's a.
Yes.
Oh yes.
And I was wondering if you wanted me to send you a copy of of that. Recording.
Alex.
Sure, I don't see why not.
No!
Okay, it's 640 some, Megabytes so I don't know how I'm going to get it to you I suppose I could put it up on.
Very carefully.
Okay, I suppose I could put it up on slug and it just give it the URL where you could download it.
Yeah. That would be great.
I could do that. You want me? Okay, then I'll send you an email. What is your email address?
James, conroy@pay.com.
Person. I'm waiting on this.
You wanna you wanna put that in the chat for me?
Can do.
Thank you.
Okay. Nothing about that and the new log meeting, it'd be on the 20 fourth.
And.
Standard fourth. Tuesday of the month that don't Have anything else to say about that? Our steer next year come meeting will be at the October thirtieth.
Or November, Monday prior to sloop general meeting. Any comments about that?
I take that as a no.
Yeah.
Okay. I don't know what we're doing. Half flat. Seems like it's a good.
Hey, those are the dates for November. A daylight saving times coming up November fifth? Veteran stays on the eleventh.
In December. Christmas is on the 20 fifth this coming year. This year. How about that?
So that's enough for the reviews. Anything else need to be said about reviewing meetings?
Nope, I do have a topic a new business, but I don't have any other reviews.
You want to do the new business? Now, are you going to wait till later?
Gary, there's a question to you.
There we are. I don't have the program in front of me, so I'm not sure where it's coming up on the meeting.
Okay.
From the
Alright, Hold business, server admin, anything to say about that. Bob Bach, is it still running?
Last time I looked.
Yeah.
Okay. One of the meetings is for this past month, you, we did talk about
Talk it!
$10, yes.
Doing upgrade from. Debian, 10 to 11.
Yeah, no progress yet.
Hashes.
Nope.
No progress, no takers. Any thoughts about jump on the to 12 instead of stopping at 11?
Ain't gonna happen.
So. Are you checked?
Too, too much too difficult, right? Thanks.
No, there's no . Passport
What do you mean no path work then?
You have to fix the problems in the 10 to 11 migration before you can do the 11 to 12.
Okay. Oh. Okay.
Very understandable. Thank you. Okay.
Speaking of which, anybody else lose your screen share?
No, So go get a little more. I'm sorry, what was the question, lady?
Did anybody else lose, stand, screen share? I can't find it.
Yeah, what happened was, when he got bounced off He got pushed on the other side of anonymous coward.
And so there's only room for 5 screens at the top. And I find that if I write arrow
No, that's No, that's not what he's talking about.
He's talking about
I did. Oh, okay. The screen share that has the agenda on it. Okay, I understand.
Right.
Alright.
That makes more sense. Sorry, Lee.
That's okay.
Okay.
Great. Hello.
If for some reason it dropped me twice when we got started here, so.
Thank you.
I've actually been dropped probably about 4 or 5 times and it basically drops and then just automatically comes back on about 3 or 4 s later.
Yet.
I knew it.
I can't, I can't find, I can't find it now.
Yeah.
Good thing.
President.
Yeah, yeah, don't worry about it, Stan. Let's just get it wrapped up.
We have.
Right.
We'll trust you to write what we said.
Okay, well.
That would be Good.
Shoot.
Okay.
There.
Staying this, Jonathan. Do you want me to contact that guy on, 19.
Yes, please.
For a little.
In general, Stan, I've found that it takes about 4 to 6 emails to get these people to respond.
Okay. Okay.
So.
You think you Okay.
You.
Okay.
Hmm.
You know, what would be a little bit pushy for your colleagues on Steercom is Kind of normal for these people because they're extremely busy.
So.
Yeah. Oh.
There it is. Okay, I hate Zoom. Almost as much as I hate meat up. Saba.
Biscuit eater.
But, And, and, and, first, Why are you getting it? Why not? So.
There you go. I love it.
There Alright, yeah.
Okay. There we go.
Thank you.
So.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
It's hard.
So, should I put any comment for, server admin?
Yeah.
Yeah, we're good.
Okay. I think it's still standing the way it was, so. Thank you. It is.
A reminder to anybody whose I'm seeing. Includes me. Ask for volunteers at at the meetings.
Not the
Yeah. And.
Web site stuff, maintenance,
Usual kind of stuff.
Okay. Thank you.
Uploading presentations.
No problems.
Needup.com and any comments, Gary.
I think we lost his audio.
Yeah, can't hear you, Gary.
Oh, meet up.com. No, it's a technical term that Stan is preferred in reference to META.
Yeah, get one round, It's funny if you guys are enough. Yeah, And you never gone.
With the we're at 9 95 I think it was approaching 1,000
I'm sorry, James didn't you, Comment on that back. Back when we were doing the very beginning of this.
My wife.
Okay.
So.
Yes, it looks like. Pricing plans they either stopped based on like 200 users and cost them more or they just caught 30 flat.
Based on what type you chose but their information page is absolutely awful.
Okay.
I'm sorry, what is absolute awful? Thank you. Again, both.
Information page. Yeah.
There description of what they do, the information. They don't, they don't describe what they're doing with the dam.
Right?
Okay. Yeah.
They do not.
So from what you discovered, we really don't know what's gonna happen. We get 1,000 if we're gonna get a bump in the bill or not.
Yeah.
Absolutely. And I will be grateful.
Sure.
Go ahead.
I don't know.
Yeah, and, James, can I jump in here for a second? Okay, so I I had a what's, name of that account?
Meetup account for my sewing group and in Boise, Idaho for a year and a half.
Of those people on your who have subscribed. 95% of them are bogus. Good robots.
We, I believe so also. Yes.
So the game that's playing is you start a meetup group. They get all these people to join.
They're robots. They're fakes.
And once you get through past a certain subscription level. That they bill you more money because you have all these subscribers but the truth of the matter is less than half a percent ever show up to meetings.
Yeah, they're fakes. Yeah.
You're fakes. So. Quicky, qu the.
Just quick meet up. And start sending your advertisements to. 3 PST marketing. Even though it's it's Linux.
They'll post it on their Twitter account or X account. And you'll get more attendees through.
Who?
Through Freebsd marketing, then you will through, ever get through meet up.
Never heard of him.
I haven't heard of them either, but I don't think it's a need to necessarily quit beat up.
We probably should be doing that anyway, Jonathan. It's a good idea.
No, it's a terrible idea. Because those people are bots that they're there to run up your bill.
You're throwing money away.
Right, okay, but it's 2 separate issues. I mean, we should be advertising in in the DSD.
Option you mentioned and
Well, the problem is, is if you go to, to St. Louis meet up. And I type in and I've actually done this, I type in Linux.
You're name doesn't appear.
Okay.
Oh yeah, we know that. That's why we say they, they suck.
And so you should just cancel the account.
There's search engine, there's search. Doesn't point to us like it should. We know that.
We've complained about it.
Okay.
No. Okay, so the
You should just post cross post to groups like. Greater, greater Orlando Linux user group and I'm sure Lee knows a bunch of these people.
Thank you.
But meet up is a total waste of time and money.
Yeah. Well, anytime I go to another lug meeting or whatever, I'll post our URLs.
And mention our calendar. In their chat room and things like that and and They, lot of people say that they they welcome the information the opportunity to go someplace else You know, I do that all the time.
You and you. If you and the slew leadership want to continue to use Meetup. Go in there and kick off all the people that have never attended a meeting.
Okay.
You can you can go in there and it's time consuming. You can look at their profile and you'll see that they have never attended a meeting.
Yeah.
Yep.
Yeah. Okay, I mentioned that earlier you probably weren't in the room. It says half of them have not attended a meeting and or even look at our our calendar entry for a year over a year
Your bots.
Yep, they're bots. Or whatever. But it's a scam. Meetup is a scam.
They know that this is going on. It's designed to drive up subscription prices. And
Yeah, but we did have we did have 3 I had 3 new people at the last meeting and they came in from meetup.
That's how I found you.
Well, If you're insistent on using it, you need somebody to go in there and prune the list.
Okay, we we'll we'll have to do that Okay.
Good. You can, as the admin of that list.
Thank you.
There you go.
I looked I looked I looked at it like a couple of days ago and saw how to do that I went through and saw the the profile Sound-so looked at our meeting last week, so and so looked last month so and so looked 2 months ago.
Okay.
So 6 months ago, some some people more than a year. And it's about halfway down the 1,000, you know, about 500 down.
There's from there on. They haven't never looked at us again.
Right, just kick them out out.
Okay. Okay.
Just ban them.
No, that's it. That's a, yet another pruning project for George to do.
We can get George to do it? All right. Anyway.
Yeah.
Internet presence on other social media besides meetup.com.
Twitter X
No thank you.
Okay.
Hmm.
Okay.
I think we've got an account somewhere, but I, you know, I, I went into it once about a year ago.
Hello. Okay.
Okay, well there's mastered on. You can. Advertise it on Mastodon, that's
That's okay.
Yeah, I went in and looked at that and that's a rabbit hole that I don't want to go down because if I start doing that that's as bad as me going on and looking at YouTube in the or YouTube or, or Wikipedia.
Okay.
Sometimes I'll start a. It's 7 30 in the morning. Next thing is no, it's 20'clock.
Thank you.
Okay.
I was down a rabbit hole. Okay.
Yeah, I know.
But that's again, it's 2 separate issues. It's some place that you don't want to spend time stand.
I know.
But, Jonathan, you're thinking that we could potentially attract. Attract eyeballs from that site.
So, then it
Well, there's a lot. It'll tell you there's a lot of tech people on.
Yeah.
So you need to get with Scott. The problem with meetup is it's a high cost, slow yield endeavor.
Sweet.
The amount of working money you're spending, you're getting like Hardly anybody.
Yes. Yeah, the problem here is that, except for James. And trying to think of the the other day I'm Shawn.
Those are the only 2 people who have explored putting anything about our meetings out on to and James you're gonna have to speak up here I was it out on X that you were putting that or Where did you then?
It was Macedon. While ago. I'm just not good enough at social media to keep up with and engage people.
I'm sorry, I just got bumped and put back on, so. Guys
Oh, all you'd have to do is just throw out the topic and the URL then.
There.
You don't have to say anything beyond that. If the truck to draw people to our site.
Yeah.
Alright.
Okay.
I mean, you could actually do a screen scraper kind of little program and have it automatically do it for you.
Yeah.
Right? You're a programmer guy, right?
Allegedly.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think that's what you and Sean did, wasn't it, James?
I think the 8.
We tried. I don't think we ever got far.
Okay, okay.
Yeah.
You did you did talk us into kind of standardizing how the our front page was laid out on the main They may, general meeting and which is fine.
You know.
Okay.
So we've done that, you know, or whatever. Just, and it does make my end easier to do when I go from one thing to another.
Oh, even it has improved the manual effort. So that was the appreciated. Definitely.
Yeah, and I, yeah. And please don't take this the wrong way, James. I don't recall.
Okay.
Have we got anybody? Any attendees from Mastodon?
I don't think so. Again, I did not put in enough. There were a couple of people said, oh yeah, that's cool.
That's me. We're happy to see it. But. Yeah.
Okay. On. Okay.
So Jonathan, that's the thing. It sounds like an excellent idea. So far, James and Sean are the only 2 people who put forth an effort and so far we haven't gotten any payback at all from from so, yeah, it comes down to what Stan frequently says, we need more Indians.
Or clones, we don't need that necessarily Indians, clones would be good.
So, . You know.
Multiple clones. Multiple clothes.
April, I don't know. Okay.
Well, I'm I'm busy with the The semi bug So I have my stuff lined up through the end of the year.
Yeah.
I know.
Okay Good.
Huh. Anything to say about the announced mailing list?
Working well.
Well, I keep meaning to get it out earlier and but I frequently fail in that.
Okay, Robert Levitt post is something. For next week he posted the summary of the next week's meeting.
That's a bit early
Also trying to get, Robert, Yes, yes So I just gonna comment on that. So Robert is picking up the slack there.
Well.
Kind of been taking a couple of months to get it under control.
Hmm.
Do you know? I was gonna come every minute. Did you want?
Okay.
Like right now.
Anything to say about thoughts about hybrid meetings?
Okay. I don't think any of us have anything to say about it. If anybody does correct me.
Okay. Hmm.
Okay. Moving on.
Yeah.
Pammers and microphones that we need. I still have the projectors. I don't know who's got the microphones and cameras.
That's it.
I've got one camera.
Probably done, but. Okay. Okay. Okay, I know Don has at least one microphone.
I'm wondering
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah. You might wanna say at least. Thank you. Okay.
Okay.
Okay. Oh, Yeah. Yes. Stepping up on this floor, you're stained it stiff right on top.
And I'm fine with the whole thing. Also, IN.
Okay, I think, we've been having real good,
Good results.
Yes.
Okay.
With sticking.
Probably.
Do shorter. Base.
Yes.
Presentations.
Yep. Okay. She's wrong.
All right, good.
Not here. How are you? Okay.
Okay.
Alright, good for the flow of the meeting. The main speaker doesn't have to wait. So darn long to get started, etc, etc, whatever.
No. Right. Right.
People don't get too
How are you?
The hell am I talking about here? Oh, the attendance database.
We still have this.
Or loudly.
I'm serious.
I know.
Just sign off. You're let me start.
Yeah.
No.
Season your business.
Thank you. Okay.
Okay. Okay. I'm using
Often necessary, I use simple screen recorder to to count the heads.
Because Zoom doesn't do it.
Okay. You know,
Thank you.
Landing schedule report database.
Okay.
Help scary
That's a good observation, Stan. Okay.
Helps Gary stay focused.
Yeah.
To the next. And so.
Part of this. Yeah. Yeah, within 5 s.
Helps me beat you up about What work have you done?
Second. Okay. So, Yeah, right. Thank you.
Okay. I, Thank you. Okay.
Thank you.
I'd like to do some handouts, updates and so forth, but I just don't have the extra time.
Linux stickers. Mr. Conway.
No updates, but I do have to drop off.
Okay. Thank you for your participation.
Right. Thank you. James.
Thanks, James.
Oh, no worry. Yes, you and a couple in a week or 2.
Okay.
Hey, I tell you what, I'm gonna, let, let me bump up one more topic here before you drop off, James.
Sure.
Just in case of. Phil Bunch as Stan mentioned, Phil is going to Leave town, move out to Arkansas.
I hope that he will continue to work with us remotely. Obviously James has been a Good example of how that can be done.
But, so 2 things, A, at some meeting here before Phil leaves, I'd like to make some sort of accolade thank you at one of the meetings here before Phil leaves, I'd like to make some sort of a accolade thank you at one of the meetings to point out all the contributions that Phil has done for years for us and make sure everybody knows it at our meetings.
And then secondly, for those of us who are here in town, Stan, you think it would be a welcome thing to actually have a physical get-together for like a lunch or Doing somewhere, I realize a lot of people wouldn't be able to make it, but for those who could.
Personally, I don't I don't like doing those things anymore. Unless I have to.
Okay. Alright.
I'm sorry. That's just me. For the next for the next year or so I see myself being a a curmudgeon.
Yeah, okay.
How about Phil? I mean, any.
Very, very non-social. You know. Phil, I mean, him and I have gotten together on occasion.
We've talked about the the They get an extraordinary gentleman.
Huh.
Yeah, but we've lost so many of those. The older guys, it's hardly worth eating bothering.
Right.
I like it can't you can't count on it you know you just will throw something out there you don't know who's gonna show up or when.
Right, right. I mean, it is would a physical meeting be something that Phil would like or that Phil would have no interest in?
Yeah.
I think he I don't know, you'd have to ask him on that. He's pretty darn busy.
Okay.
Oh yeah, yeah. So.
He's pretty darn busy trying to get prepared to move right at this point. I'm in extremely busy.
Yeah.
Right. Right. So anyway, at least we will have some mention at one of the meetings. So anybody who has a few good words to say about the effort Phil's made over the years.
Have some comments ready.
Okay, and you were . Mentioning that to James for what reason
Just so James can have some comments ready about all the good things he's seen Phil do.
Okay. Alright.
Okay, thank you, James.
No problem. Talk to you all later.
Alrighty.
Oh, James, before you go, I intend to put you on the next, ballot for February.
All right.
Yes.
Okay.
So. Okay. Unless you decline, you know, ahead of time. You know, it just attached that $20 bill and I'll take your name off the ballot.
Yeah
Yeah. Alright, talk to you all later.
Thanks.
Take care. Organizational papers, Mister Gary.
As far as I know, the box is still there.
Thank you.
So.
Sponsorships. Who would sponsor such a thing as our group?
Nothing new.
We need help.
Okay. So, No!
I have heard Gary. Talk about people helping and we don't get that much. They just.
It's just the way it is.
I think it really comes down to yet to ask people one on one to Yeah. If they could do something like Robert Love it, I've, you know, I asked him and he's Starting to to get with the Yeah, get a bit more self motivated on it.
So, yeah. See anybody else who thinks they're maybe somebody who'd be willing and able to Contributed a little time by all means ask them or point me to them
You, please. Okay. Yes. Obviously a big effort coming up as we mentioned earlier is this whole thing of upgrading upgrading Bach.
Upgrading the operating system there.
Hey Gary, it's it's it's not a big deal except for mailman.
Cause our mailman configuration is pretty complex and we've got stuff that's been carried along for 20 years.
Right.
And there is a small risk that something that we have done 20 years ago is not going to be compatible with the old man 3.
Cool. Right. Oh
See, I say that.
Okay, Gary. Okay, Gary, what's that new business you had?
The film, that was the new business.
Oh, okay.
Okay, I'm back connected again. Once again, a spontaneous drop and a spontaneous.
Reconnection.
Okay.
Okay. Oh.
So. Okay.
What should I say there? Start recognizing them to ever meeting. Or what.
Okay. Well, we wouldn't have to do it at every meeting. You and I can talk about later offline.
Okay.
When is, when is he going to be leaving? Well, we'll target something to make sure we get to catch him before he leaves town.
Okay.
Okay, reoccurring requirements.
June, July, August. Tax holiday came and went we didn't
Emphasize it like we should have.
I? Yeah, we could have done more, but I did put it on the calendar. I think maybe I did.
Yeah.
I put something in discuss a couple of times.
Yeah.
You did, you did. But I, you know, I never occurred to me to mention the thing, you know, we, the month before, of course, I didn't know anything about it.
Yeah.
For too busy looking at other stuff. September, nothing really showing here in our list. October, normally we would be reserving rooms that the St.
Louis County Library branches, but that's not really necessary now, but I'm leaving it in there in case we come back to it.
It's a point to know. November, so forth. November, December, I'm gonna have to start working on on the ballot for nominations for the elections.
Okay.
Yeah.
So listen, $20 bills for for people to keep. People off of it.
I think you gotta raise your prices.
Yeah.
Okay. Oh, speaking about raising prices. Gary and I were discussing this earlier, you know. I'd like a I'd like a raise.
All right, we'll triple it.
Okay. Okay, do I hear a motion to Stan should get in the media? 25% raise
I make it 50. 50%.
Oh, okay. I hear 50. Is there a second? Second?
Okay, motion is on the floor. All of the is the the of you sign the report in snow. The eyes have got it.
Yay. Alright, thank you.
Hey, Stan, you got a 50% raise. Oh.
Oh.
Thank you.
3.
Actually, a thanks to Jonathan for or pointing out these speakers at the other groups and But the good suggestions on.
Advertising our stuff to the other groups as well. So thanks Jonathan.
No worries. I will.
Contact that guy. I forget his name. I have it in my address book. For IX systems and
But, Linux freemas.
Right. Okay. Okay.
So are you interested in that, Gary? And Lee?
Yeah, I would be. I, I can't say I'm any level of expertise in it, but I'd like to learn more.
So yeah.
Yeah, the other good.
Yeah. I agree, Jonathan.
Yeah, I mean, I attended that meeting and I found it quite interesting.
The one that was really good was my last speaker who was. Did it on risk 5. I don't think any of you guys showed up, but he had He was very knowledgeable, especially about apple arm.
Yeah.
Advanced advanced risk machine. So he was able to talk at he had in a lot of experience. You young man, but he'd been in the field since he was a kid.
You know. Here's about 40 years old.
So. I wanted to go to that.
Well.
I wanted to go to that you had told me about it. I didn't manage to get there
You don't support the
Can I can I just share something that Oh go in, I'm sorry, Gary.
Go on.
No, I just gonna say you don't record those do you?
Gary, I'm afraid not.
Okay
The most
I try to attend some of them and when I attend I record it and make an offer back to the group.
But last one I was that I screwed up. And somehow another the sound did not come through at all.
Made it useless.
So. I'm I'm gonna tell you guys this So just keep it under, under wraps.
But I may. Limit my participation in. These Linux get togethers.
Oh.
Bam.
I'm losing my eyesight. I'm coming blind. I macular degeneration.
No, no.
Yeah.
So in order, yeah, the same sort of thing Ed has. And, so how much longer I can.
Okay.
Do this, I don't know. As it is very hard to get around by the bicycle.
I know.
I can barely see. So that's the reason for interest in Mac because, to Ed Howland.
Apple has the best screen readers.
But don't say anything to anybody.
Yeah. I've. Okay. A question for you.
Hmm.
Have you told Ed about this problem?
Okay.
Oh yeah, we talk about it at length. You know, in preparations. So I would get a MacBook Air.
With an M one or whatever. Processor, not the Intel processor. And.
Yeah. I've heard that the older models are still very good at doing that through costs. So if you get a lot of bang for your buck.
Still with the older model.
That is a great point. Stan, if you had attended my last presentation with Carl Perry. On the problems of Intel and the new variance of the specter and meltdown bugs.
Yeah.
You'd understand my My interest in gravitating toward risk and getting away from Intel.
I mean, I given worldwide.
Yeah. Well, you want to get away from Microsoft because they lost their their keys to their to their certificates Good.
Well, I want to get away from Microsoft because I think Microsoft is firstly a business and secondly attack company.
Yeah.
You know, I'd be there.
This is just my opinion. I mean it's It's a technological marvel, but it's.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, the pastels and the nice gooey interface and all of that that's designed to appeal to women.
Yeah.
In the workforce who want to be entertained. Why idea of entertainment is . 2 20 screen and the max Yeah.
There you go. There you go. Yeah, understood. Yeah.
Or VI. Right. And the reason for that is computers have to talk to each other. And there's no easy way to project x long distance.
Yeah.
Oh well.
Whereas But that's my opinion.
Yeah.
But,
Okay, we've come down to the following follow up actions and whatever and since Gary is neglecting this section there's no point in going any further on that.
Now.
I'll just say none here and we'll skip right off to the. We're gonna be ending and we're gonna.
Does anybody want to do a blue blue sky kind of possession? And if they do, do they want to record it?
Yes or no?
What's a blue sky?
That's where we just after the business portion of the meeting, we just talk about, oh, ideas of things that you know just Yeah, what do they call it?
You just on the top of your head kind of thing if you think about ideas that that you wouldn't normally talk about.
I do have some input. So if you wanna stick around for a blue sky.
Sure. Okay. And you know. The question is whether or not we continue the recording to include that.
That's not
But it's not, is it something sensitive? That you don't want anybody else to know about or just, you know, you don't want to start cussing out the or giving somebody a bad reputation or something like that this whether or not we want to decide whether to record it or not.
No, What I wanted to discuss in the after meeting, is, Carl Perry had some very interesting insights about Linux user group participation.
And I wanted to share that with you.
Okay, okay, so it's But he's not bad mouthing anybody or anything like that, right?
No, there's nothing, nothing, derogatory.
Okay.
I would say leave it on the recording. Yeah
So yeah, just, go for it right now, Jonathan. It's all yours.
Okay, so Carl Perry is
Wait, wait, wait, before we get officially we're going to adjourn the meeting.
No, you can leave it this part of the blue sky
Alright, alright, whatever. Go ahead, Jonathan. We're open.
So, Paul Perry and his one of the comments that came up was, he's faced in Austin.
Taxes and that's that's a big hub of computer programming. Dell is there and so forth.
And I asked him and I said, How come there aren't more active Linux user groups? In Austin, Texas.
And he said, well, There are, but they just meet. Privately in people's homes.
And so that that seems to be what's going on is that they meet. Privately in people's homes.
They're not. Publicly advertised groups like Slude. Or St. Louis Lutlax users group.
Right? And that's what's part of the problem. So to get around the. The library and its crummy connectivity.
They go to somebody's house who has good Wi-Fi. Problem solved. Does that make sense, Kerry?
It does, it does. In some ways, our group is an example. I mean the fact that we have steering committee meetings and keep archives and minutes.
The the first 2 or 3 iterations of the Unix group here in St. Louis. All died at some point.
And so when this version was founded We actually had 2 lawyers who were involved. And, yeah, there was the whole concept to talk of by formalizing it, making it a threec corporation and and trying to keep some structure to it it would provide continuity and keep it going through the years and it has gone through the years.
I mean we have lasted many times longer than the previous 3 incarnations. Whether
Yeah.
We have
Correct.
And the way it was and the way it was incorporated, it allowed big companies to do a tax write off when they contributed money to us because of the type of Yeah, 3 C in corporation category with IRS.
Well, that's wonderful. So do you have any corporate sponsors at this time?
No, okay.
No. That's because we're not good at selling.
Yes, I mean Yeah.
Well, I mean, besides Leland and his. Company. We contributes a lot.
Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. But beyond that.
Yes. Yeah, And Kendra Johnson's been picking up. Picking up the meetup cost.
But yeah, I keep forgetting about that. Yeah.
So,
But the problem with the libraries is that the internet connectivity is just horrible.
Oh, and the scheduling sucks. I used to schedule the Linux usage groups in the Slack meetings and we'd be scheduled blah blah blah whatever date And oh, the library has to do so many.
Presentations that they develop their staff every month so they'll just kick us right out in the heartbeat.
They're not, they're not concerned about.
Yeah, so have you thought of meeting at somebody's house or company?
Have not thought about that, no.
But honestly, I've been doing it this way for so long. I've never even thought about anything like that.
How about you, Gary? Have you ever thought about that?
Well, in fact, we effectively did have that. That's what happened with the central West End, lug.
Yeah, that's true. That's right. Cause Scott started doing it in his house.
Right.
Oh, is it still exist?
I don't think so.
And
No, I don't think so. And Gary lost connection again.
Now, I mean, for quite a while, or Scott Gran was, inviting people.
No.
Are you back, Gary?
I'm back. Yep.
So Scott is Scott doesn't the Central West End log is common by the wards.
It's gone, yeah.
Yeah, I'm not aware that it ever was officially said that it was ceasing operations, but it just hasn't.
Years.
It sort of died when Robert left, huh?
Okay.
Yeah. Okay,
Thank you. Okay.
I don't know what's gonna happen with somebody bug.
And also, you know, another one similar to that was, Old Nroe, the old mo lug.
Fred Smith.
We met at help me with the name. Yeah, Fred Smith. That was both.
Yes.
His home and his place of business. And, We met there that started out ganglusters.
For years.
We met every Saturday morning. And then for years and then we started cutting it back just once a month.
And then it became so much sporadic. And then we just stopped doing it.
And,
Yeah, then he moved into a trailer and it became impossible.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, even his wife got divorced so they he had to move and his health deteriorated quite a bit.
Yeah.
Who was that?
Fred Smith.
I don't remember him.
Alright.
Okay.
Yeah.
For, and for a while, when he left on old Monroe, he had a house in in Wensfield and they would meet in the basement for quite a while and then that kind of cut back after.
Honestly.
He left the house and moved to a trailer. Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Wow.
But that was.
And. Anyway, I think Oh, go ahead.
. Bye.
That was Clark Perry's take is that public lugs have disappeared. They're all meeting in people's houses in the Austin area.
But what was his name, Carl?
Carl Perry risk 5 associates.
Boy, that took a lot of emails and
Contacts on LinkedIn and so forth.
Is that risk with a K or risk with a C?
You really risk with the C reduced instruction set computer.
Thank you.
Is what that stance for, Gary.
That's why he asked, he and he knows what that is.
Well, Gary's a mainframe guy.
Thank you.
Well, he does, well, he tries to keep up. Yeah, he's heard of raspberry pies and he's this thing called a personal computer.
Over the years, right, Gary? Okay.
Hey, the mainframe is back. We call it the cloud now.
Yes, true.
Right.
But, I
I appreciate the comment and the thought, Jonathan, that, that he's finding that these at home meetings are better.
I couldn't say better, but that he's finding they work in Austin. And think about that stuff.
What? I'm gonna conjecture the reason for it is They get better internet connectivity. I mean, my my internet connection here at this apartment.
Not by Wi Fi, but by Ethernet. So. The box is right over there.
Yeah.
Okay, Gary, so I can If I had some guests come here I can have up to 4 internet connections.
Okay.
Yep. Look.
Like on this Linux computer. It's 200 up and 200 down.
That's good.
That's real good.
Yeah.
Yeah Yeah, Yes! Yeah. 5.
Yeah.
So the other thing, Stan. And, Gary and Lee, I gave I gave what I have 3 laptops.
I gave one on my laptops away to a friend. And put an install of Kubuntu long term support on there.
Yeah.
Not the latest to greatest, but, Just a coupon to long term support. And he's having a dickens of a time connecting to AT and T.
This.
Through Thunderberg.
I don't know what he's doing wrong. Well, he's not very computer savvy.
Yeah. And it was.
Yeah. Jonathan, I've got my router set up. To use the thing called get so.
Thank you.
He
Yeah.
And I can have, I can have somebody. Boot up on a live Linux distro. And while they're live, download get so into RAM and they run that and all I got to do is give a my IP number.
Yeah. Guys We.
And then I can connect to them. And see their screen, add. I can do keyboard entry and move them mouse around.
And talking on the phone I can I can I can do an actual install Okay, I can actually.
What about that's already installed?
Yeah.
Say again.
Can I use Gitso if it's already installed?
How do you do?
Yeah. Now, what you gotta do, what you gotta do is you gotta punch a hole through your router.
For for the for the the port number.
Oh.
That's which, you know, port forwarding. No big deal. And. And you just turn it on when you want to connect to somebody.
And then you can, it's, it's like, it's like T viewer.
Kind of you, but it's you know open source But I don't know whether it's available on the BSD.
It's. It may be, maybe not. It should be.
Well, I have to, Stan, I have, I have 2 there. I'm talking to
Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, and I use it, anytime anybody wants me to help them with some.
I've actually helped Norm. Nar Miller do a remote install twice on a different on a laptop and a and a a tower
I gotta figure out how to do port forwarding. I'm going to see this guy, I may move to Michigan.
Yeah, I think there's a port forwarding.com I think will help. I think that's the name of it.
Port forwarding.com
Yeah, I believe. or.org.net something. What a report.
Port fouring. It's specifically And I think it even does a lot of one-on-one descriptions are for particular routers.
But you know, once you look at enough of them, you'll start to understand what it is you have to do.
And
Well, this is, it's not coming up.
I do.
I'll have to, I'll have to ask Phil what the name of that is, part forward.
You know, do a Google search. There's a website that's dedicated to port forwarding explaining what it is.
I gotta figure out how to do it. So I'm gonna go see this guy and straighten out his Linux box.
Well, yeah.
I mean, he's an old guy. He doesn't.
Well, I mean, you know, if he can get on an internet and you can talk him through activating, get so, all you got to do is then give them your IP number.
And he has he doesn't have to do the port forwarding. And he doesn't have to touch his router.
Oh man.
Hi. I did a, oh, I actually did a presentation. It's recorded up on our archives on GitHub.
I'll have to look at it. I'm busy with my own pursuits. You're in my math studies.
Yeah, and plus the fact you're planning on moving.
Well, that's next year. I may move.
Yeah, okay. Yeah, well, it doesn't hurt to get a Head start on that.
I want to know this. What's gonna happen, Stan is I'm gonna go visit him on November first for 6 days.
Yeah.
And then, then I'll straighten out this Linux computer. And hopefully get him up to speed.
Yeah.
Because that's how I'm gonna
Hey, you could probably contact me and I might be able to help if you can get it booted up and hooked to the internet.
And run get so all I gotta do is give you my IP and I can connect and help.
I should have installed Linux. I should have left things alone.
Well, Is it a Debian base?
Yeah, it's Debian paste.
So it's probably, get so is probably in the repository.
No kidding. You're kidding. You're kidding. Oh my goodness.
Hold on.
Okay.
Hey guys, I'm gonna have to quit. We want to turn
Leila, it's there. Stan.
Thank you, Lee. Appreciate it.
We have a great night. Go get you.
Yeah. You know, get to feeling better, you and Sue both.
I think Okay.
Oh, is Stan set up as a, having control of the zoom session Okay
Yeah, I've got password and everything.
I started the recording. Let's go ahead and stop the recording and then I'll make Stan the host.
All right.
New book and or.
This was the steering committee meeting on Monday, October the second, 2,023.
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