I think you already did.
No, no, no, I got an anonymous car this recording.
Got damage.
Okay, this is the steering committee meeting for November the actual date today is Monday October the thirtieth of 2023.
And. Steering committee for the month of November coming up. So, with that, Stan has our agenda pulled up on the screen right now.
I'm the font a couple times.
Give me a second.
Of course. Well, you do that. I'll get the stuff.
Little more, please.
That enough he want more I know. How about that?
One more. There you go.
One more. Yeah!
Okay, Dave's here, Gary's here. I'm here.
It's interesting, it's showing up much better on Lee's screen than on my screen.
You got a piece of shit.
Lee does have a bigger screen, but
You got a piece of shit computer when you're talking about?
Yeah.
Hmm.
Well, I'll act as,
John's not here, so I'll do the recording. Oh, I'm back in here, it shows up again.
Yeah.
He had awfully wants to do it. I thought it'd be nice if he did it. But you have somebody else that knew what the hell they were doing.
You know, I didn't send him another, personal invite. I guess I could send a book.
With text.
Yeah, whatever.
Okay, I didn't do the calendar. Damn it. I meant to.
Oh wow.
Oh, stan, Jonathan Drew sent an email saying that I did not see a link in my email.
I can't fix that. Can you fix it?
I'm gonna try right now.
But what the question is, what damn email is he using?
That's a good question.
Yeah. I didn't do that. I didn't do the the meat the numbers. British or 9 22 for meet up.
Growing by the minute.
The last 3 h of today before the meeting was what pure.
No.
So I didn't get anything. Done. But I. But I did, I purged more than 75 names from meet up.
Huh.
Before this meeting. The unrecognized, likely never attended any meetings kind of guys. And to keep it below the 1,000 mark.
So right now it's It's kinda slowly worked back up to 7 22 or 7 23 or whatever.
And
We're gonna make a sexist comment. Probably shouldn't be on the recording, but that's fine.
As long as they're guys and not girls.
Well, how can you tell?
I know.
You know.
Really? Any, about that?
No, I agree. It.
If they're names that have been out there for months and we've just never seen any activity problem.
Like I said, we can pretty well guess. They're just. Putting it on their resume.
Yeah. Yeah, I did get the attendance being counts in though. So. That's good.
Gosh.
Starting to pick up a little bit. Not much. And I noticed that last year during the height of the COVID that you had a lot more attendance.
Real. Okay.
Really roughly. You know, I mean, or just kind of seem like people had nothing better to do.
Yeah.
Now, now they're sick, staying in inside, so they're out mowing lawn and doing stuff like that, so whatever.
Well, how is well
And I think you're exactly right, I think. I think people now. Exactly described it now they've got time.
The, permission to go out and do other things. Because the world is opening back up.
Yeah, I mean, we are gathering some names to meet up. We'll have 2, maybe 3 people show up, but.
You know, the meetup thing shows, you know, 10 or 12 names joining during months and we'll, you know, and during a new meeting we might have 2 or 3 people show up.
And they may come to another meeting or so and We never see him again, whatever. No, whatever.
Nobody, nobody cares anymore. Nobody, nobody secures anything about Unix or Linux, whatever. If they're, it's not in their job.
They didn't get hard and then the company decided to switch to it. It ain't gonna happen.
I guess, or, you know, our All young guys, you know. Good young people, get older people or some, are coming in and, this, you know, whatever.
But
We're not getting ahead, that's all I can say.
I guess there's a feeling pretty negative right now, that's all.
Yeah, it gets just the the nature of the world.
Yeah.
Get back to it.
Hmm. Oh.
By the way, I'm trying to, I know I'm hesitating while I talk, but I'm trying to think and type at the same time.
Now.
We all know that danger, how dangerous that is. I'm I'm trying to send.
Jonathan the
What you can call it, the, invite, invite.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Yeah, I love the fact that you compared the numbers. And I keep saying one of these. Go ahead.
Well, It's not real scientific, it's just a glance and it's the way my head thought of it, so.
Nothing, you know, just out of the out of this clear blue sky kind of thought, you know, and just Don't know how.
There's no real validity to it other than just it kind of seems like, yeah, maybe that's what's going on.
I keep meaning to. Exercise my my spreadsheet skills. And, Helloed all those numbers into a spreadsheet and just make a chart, you know every month throughout the year.
Just give an annual chart show. How how those numbers have changed over the years that we've been tracking.
You got it.
And if there's any seasonal kind of thing to Back with. Yeah. Wow.
I say I intend to do that. Haven't done it yet.
Okay, well, any October review, there October meetings, the Slack meeting, we had one new guy showed up by way of meet up.
And,
I fumbled. The recording again.
Oh, I didn't have, I didn't have a recording so I could go back and double check what to hell happened.
So. And I don't remember that far back anyways, other than I checked the attendance account and we did have one guy that and I had a note in there he had showed up.
I'll meet up. And whatever.
October eleventh the base was James Conroy did the pie hole thing. Go.
Good.
Very good, huh?
Did,
See, besides the 3 of us, Dave, are you weren't there, Dave, where are you?
I think Dave was off at a family event that night, if I remember right.
Yeah. Well, the recording is up there if you wanted to watch it.
Right.
Whatever.
Do you want to send it to say anything else about it?
I think. That was the night I got in late. So yeah, I unfortunately.
I haven't listened to the recording, I've been meaning to, but I didn't.
One of those where you came in on the tail end.
My bad. Yep.
Okay.
Oh, remind me, Stan, who is I gonna, who else besides Jonathan? You're just talking about these acted as secretary a number of times.
Go on. On Tweet House.
Oh, thank you.
But he hasn't been for the last 3 or 4 Steurcom meetings, so.
. You've given up on us, Gary. He's found out who we are and just enough had enough of that
And then,
What they usually get from the women. Yeah.
Okay. Let's see here.
Is anybody watching what I'm doing here?
I see a pressure moving around.
By the way, incoming, text message from, Steve Sagman. Sorry, can't make it tonight diagnosed in a furnace problem.
I'd rather be there in the meeting.
Yeah, huh?
Yeah. Yeah, and he'd rather be warm than not too, I'm sure. Hmm, okay.
That's personally 4 or 5 years old. Hello?
Let's see, the main shame that, Jonathan's not here, talk about the the main presentation given by Carl Perry, the Risk 5 Architecture Differences.
That was a situation where John Newball had rescheduled, to 8 November due to work travel requirement.
A great disturbance in the forest, Gary.
Yes, why did that ever make a mess of things? Don't mean that to be a key to talk about anyone.
It's just the way work goes.
Yeah.
Any further comments?
I did, Get in on. On some of his talk and I really, really enjoyed it.
And I'm trying to remember. There was like a post script or a part 2. Anybody remember?
How that was titled? It was something like surreptitious. Memory leak or but he described basically how with the risk.
I don't remember peculiar to risk 5 or it's goes back further than that.
But it was a real good description of one of the ways risk. Is getting such good performance. Is multi-threading.
And so basically if you've got something that has 4 possible tests or. You know, one bifurcation and another bifurcation.
It basically in advance process is all 4 directions. Generates the results and they're all in cash.
The thing is, you may not have the proper password and authority to execute. The command for the other 3 pass.
But they're in cash now. Oh, so you know you can't access them through the normal programs, but if you Right yourself a little program that sidesteps normal processing.
And rifles through cash. Yep, you can get to it. So, so you're saying the only way to stop that right now is to turn off multi-threading.
Course if you do that the performance of the risk system drops like a broken rock. So I thought it was really a great, great explanation.
I mean that by itself was worth the price. Okay.
And, Stan, you can have to remind me of the top of my head. I don't know.
Mentioned to you. Do we get any sort of a commitment? Or comment from Be bold. He'll do the November talk.
Or okay.
Yeah. Yeah, I, but I have not gone back and nudged him again, have you?
Yeah, so I better, I better get my
And then come the
And the St. Louis Linux users group meeting. We never had anyone confirmed early.
You want to talk about that disturbance?
Let's see. I think Ken did a pretty good job.
Yeah. Boy, he did a Great to lock on no notice. I mean. He obviously had been thinking about some things and So even though we say didn't have a prepared advance.
Pretty obvious that. He had had some thoughts. He just had gotten around. Putting it on slides before that.
That was very much appreciated. Very well done.
Yeah, Gary developed a new ulcer. Yeah, God.
Yeah.
Yay, Charm Levy.
Anyway, and then the Yeah. Oh, again, I had some difficulty in delay opening on the new lug.
That's 2 last Tuesday. Open up the public jiggy session. We're free. I never frequent dropouts during the session.
It, it, yeah, it kicked. And I'm Miss Cower just got kicked off twice.
I got kicked off twice and a couple other guys got kicked off. And I was looking at the forum.
The, Gitty forum and there's, been, it was 1, one or 2 guys.
It said they had some problems, but that was back in earlier. In September. So. I don't know.
So it's one of those things that they never, I don't know, they never really figured out what to help going on, I guess, or That and that forum I think it is it's so hard to really find anything and if they give us a solution it's way off and left field some other topic.
You almost have to every month you would have to read the entire Everything's been posted in every category.
To figure out what your hell is going on that month. Or at least that voice seems to me. I don't.
Don't write your for me. But, you know, I can't come to their meeting and say, Oh, you're for a sucks, you know, because at least it's, the attempt anyway.
And maybe it's just the way that I think it's not a good. Structure. You know, there are other forms that work much better, I think.
Yeah.
And I'm sorry, which which form are you talking about?
The one, the, the, one, the, I don't know the name of the software.
Okay.
But there's other forum software that I think are present better. And I'm structured better.
Whatever.
But anyway, I made a those book end slide work things for this beginner workshop meeting and
It worked somewhat well and with an announcement page on it and so forth. And I can't read what I wrote here this small.
I'm gonna shrink it.
I also get, did an amount announcement page and reminded everybody about the time change and I did a Hey, main topic.
Kind of I suggested a remote support. I talked about to get so stuff and Remina. And, saying that, X to go.
Those are those 3 are things that I use. And then. .
The thing that Microsoft uses, which is really sucks We talked about that a little bit and then there's the one that, Google does in us.
Comparatively good for for doing that kind of thing. And the one that google does is bet much much better than works better with Microsoft than the Microsoft does.
Anyway, regardless. We talked about that. Gary, you went over to Peters, his private home is the system.
And he was definitely a low expertise Linux users. He was running Linux. 19. I was getting end of support notifications, right?
And,
Yeah, yeah. But you don't. Rejecting since what? 2021?
Only 3 years out of days.
Yeah, whatever, cause it's, you know. Whatever. I don't know. Well, anyway, whatever.
One of the attendees later wrote that he was having some trouble signing on to announce mailing list.
I could not reproduce the problem. So I just sent him a sign-up nomination. And I presume if he got that, he responded and he's back, he's now on the announced list.
2 and possibly 4 new attendees. I'm not sure because they, they would only put in their first name, so.
You know, if you put in a guy named Bill or James or Tom or whatever, you don't know who the heck that is.
I don't know whether they were new or not. Yeah, whatever. But 2 of them turned out to did the firm were new.
I don't remember whether, where they came from, but it doesn't matter. And because you, Gary, because you were providing that onsite assistance.
That is correct.
You were not keeping watch on the chat room activity. And I think Phil was there. He helped a little bit.
But looking at the recording later, a lot of the chat postings seem to have been missed. I mean, Cause, you know, if How is on center stage here, you know.
I just can't handle all everything I wants anymore. Getting too old for that. Frequent attendees, attendee Wayne and Tony.
Wayne and Tony C were very helpful with lots of input during the meeting. So. I'm glad they were there.
And still, usually does more than, he did that night, but I. You know, he's in the middle of packing up the move.
I'm surprised he was there at all.
Hey who? Anything? I don't know what else to say about that meeting.
I hadn't been to a new log meeting sometime. And, I got a really applaud, Stan.
I mean, as much as you just said about, you know, problems and people not, you know.
Not getting things, but hey, there was so much stuff that did get done. The people that he's got coming to that meeting.
It seems like as long as some of the new guys keep coming back, they need to keep getting better.
You know, the way he just started, I think last November to come into the meetings and maybe it's further back than that.
I'm not sure. And him and Tony C have been around, you know, a year, a year and a half, maybe I don't at most.
And sometimes Hello, Tony Seas doesn't seem to be that helpful or at least in my eyes because he's He gets off on these tangents.
Of course, Wayne is really knowledgeable guy. And I really appreciate when he shows up.
And, You've been a lot of help with using, and there was a juicy meeting this, public meeting.
They call a public house call or meeting or whatever. And I was on the phone. I got a phone call from gosh, I don't remember who interrupted me, so I never got to get on there.
And sometimes those meetings don't go. More than 10 min and sometimes they'll go a half hour and they'd be surprised what you pick up and they'll talk about trends and problems and and workarounds and stuff like that.
But I entirely missed it. Now they have, they only have it every 2 weeks. So. Got another 2 weeks before I can maybe get it on that meeting.
And, but, and Wayne sometimes. Yes, in on him and I need to contact him about it.
But whatever. Oh, and in.
Like I said, even though The name of the group is the new lug. You've got some, good techies, in that group because they, They were very helpful and very, very good technical information when we were trying to diagnose, Peter's brother.
Yeah, yeah, and And like I said, Tony, see, some of the weird stuff, he, you know, well, I shouldn't say we're His stuff is more oriented to he'll come up with some programming language or web problem that Yeah, and nobody here knows what you're gonna give you an answer.
Maybe Wayne might or maybe Sean if he shows up, he might know. Sean is shown up as a couple of these meetings also and And, but, Sean, you got a full time heavy duty job and I'm surprised he's made any it's no wonder he hadn't made any meetings this summer.
Because I'm sure he's got a personal life there somewhere.
Yeah. Yeah, we don't do, we don't do that kind of stuff.
That's right.
Whatever. Yeah, I don't need to know a stinking personal life. So in here we're here just during committing tonight.
Okay. Yeah.
Okay, I'm gonna pop the
Thing up a little bit.
Meeting schedule. Okay. November twenty-third.
Yep, Saturday night.
Comments for November slack meeting. I made the book, so I would work for that group and it were good for ensuring the announcements get done and It helps and You know, and even, Head to had that for the First time there for the.
The main meeting and Ken said he thought it was a very good way to do a meeting because it he thought it helped structure the flow or keep the flow.
Go on. And I think it does because it gives the opportunities for new people in the room to. Read let alone Derek and then try and read what what's what he's supposed to be saying next.
Yeah, it helps keep them from stuttering. And saying. what I say next, huh?
Right, Gary? Huh?
Right. I mean, that, Yeah, that concept of the new people in the room, you know, all of us have been doing this for so long.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah, we kind of know the routine by heart, but yeah, for a newbie, the slides of, okay, here's what's gonna happen tonight.
Good information. Lose them in.
And I think Yeah, and I'm thinking about we should send a copy of that to any new speaker so they don't know what the hell going on.
Yeah. They do that.
That's true too. Yeah. Okay. I mean, you might be careful soon as a PDF, but a lot of people are.
Usually Windows platform.
Say again.
I said you might you might want to be careful to send it when you send it to send a PDF.
Good luck.
Yeah, well, I, yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna send them the original, liberal office document.
Okay.
Cause cause a lot of these people are stuck on a Windows platform for various reasons.
Yeah. Good point. Thank you. Anyway.
For November eighth, so I'm gonna do a same call script recording. I've got I don't know, 11 or 12 slides already that are pretty well fleshed out.
There's the 3 in the middle. Or the 2 in the middle that It might give some problems, but I figured I'll cover all that with an actual demonstration.
If I can get a, get everything else down into a minute as a shot, you know. Oh.
Cool.
I,
Okay, as of right now. I guess we do possibly have an alternative. I believe that was Tony Z.
He had something. Blanking on the title, but I think we said we were moving that to December because you wanted to do the October or the November one here.
So.
But, but yeah, I'll, I'll tell Tony to stand down until December. And, But if some if suddenly you're overwhelmed by something saying I can probably nudge him to move fast and get ready.
Yeah.
No, it's only a week away though.
Yeah.
I've got the slides finish enough that what I haven't really fleshed out. I'll cover.
The problem is it's up in the center is a lot of bunch of stuff that well if you just do the damn demo it'll cover all these points you know you don't you know I don't have to make another 7 slides
And then then we got this John Noble, is supposedly confirmed for Yes, Microsoft Windows Subsystem for Android thing.
For the main. Okay.
And Stan, you always do a good job of poking me. One thing I should be talked about, show one.
Huh.
Tomorrow I will send a, email to New Bowl just to make sure that, he remembers that he's up in 8 days.
Thank you.
Yeah. Veterans stay on eleventh Saint Louis log. Jonathan lined up this guy Michael Lucas for transport layer security.
We haven't got any bio or abstract from me yet. I don't know what to do about that.
What I was hoping Jonathan be here and we could kind of ask him. What he thought, but he, he thought, that we should, do something or.
And I kind of get the impression that, between you and me in the French post, if Jonathan hands us something.
He wants us to deal with it from then on. I think. So we'll probably wind up.
You and I, Gary will probably be working out contact in this guy. And which is probably in the short run is probably a better idea than.
Having John or Jonathan in in the loop. Unnecessarily. Oh
Yeah, yeah. Oh, and I should. Need.
I'm not saying you should look this up. I should look at the planning list. I don't know if we have Michael Lucas's email or phone number on that.
We do. Okay.
We do. We do. Yeah, but I don't think I put it on the. I may or may not have put it on the, I think I did put it on on the, yeah, put it on the, planning schedule.
Okay, okay.
It's on its own.
Probably what I should do is send Jonathan, a courtesy note that I'm going to.
Emails, Michael Lucas. And requests. It's an abstract from him in a bio.
Oh.
Okay, and then,
I just finished up the billboards for the new log and I've been going back and well I used it the last meeting also.
Because I used it to. Kinda. I threw in the topic of remote support to kind of give people something to talk about.
Plus, from the feedback to that, you know, and I did, you know, a presentation in the past about GitHub.
Or not GitHub, get so. And I, on the slide, I put that and I referenced it and some other stuff.
And it gave some people to talk about. Got a lot of conversation there. Very good, very good meeting.
And. And unfortunately I recorded the darn thing, so. I didn't fumble at that time.
But, you know, I don't post those meetings. So that's for my use and it might give me some ideas in order to flesh out a further presentation on this.
What I'm thinking and trying to emphasize it, hey, when we get these people in the meetings and if they know something about Linux, The first question I should be asking, oh, you're using Janet Lakes?
In the last 2 months, have you got anybody else to use it?
Yeah.
We help anybody else or you're just keeping it all to yourself. No, whatever. Whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
That's, a personal. Crusade. December, and those are the dates that I think I got right.
And I'll probably do the new Linux thing on the. The fourth Tuesday, December 20 sixth, the day after Christmas.
I mean, why, why throw it in a week prior and screw it up and have it the same week as the the St. Louis Linux users group.
It'd be like on the. Nineteenth or something like that. So.
Yeah. I don't think moving it a week. Back for a lot of people the week before, maybe more hectic and crazy than in the day after Christmas, so.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, but, Oh. And I don't think we've got anything at all lined up that far out, do we?
See.
I don't remember. You can bring up the planning Wikipedia. We're all easy, Gary.
What's your role for that?
Wow.
WW slube.org slice planning dot pdf
Oh, I think Stan's getting cranky and old and tired.
Capitalize what?
Okay. And, You're on a Well, planning should be a capital P. You left it more case.
Okay. Well, that's the Unix way. Good crowd.
Okay.
I used I used capital P inside the document. What do you want?
Yeah.
Good to have something to harass you about.
Oh, just wait a later. Don't be more to ask me about, don't you?
Okay. Going into old business.
Okay.
We've just pulled up the planning PDF. Wednesday. Slug meeting general in December.
Yeah.
Just probably.
What was his name?
Let's see, right now we've got. True NAS. By Chris.
That's not confirmed.
Right, right, right. So it's just a considered.
Yeah, which means I gotta get on the ball and send him a done letter too.
Yeah, we got 1213 base. Nothing, of true Naz planning. Who are we looking for?
We're just checking to see what we have lined up.
If there was if anything for December and we and I didn't think we did
British separate. So we've got parodone as a possibility, but we got to contact him and get him to commit.
And then for the base. If you go up just to one line, okay. Maybe put in on that, that Tony ZI believe, was offering.
Something and I'll, I'll have to go back, check my notes.
Send me an email. Oh.
And, yep. Was it on a steercom less? I don't think so. We just got a personal note with me.
I seem to remember something about Tony Zika.
Oh.
I think I think Gary might have mentioned it he was trying to contact him about that. That's what you may have seen.
Yes.
Whatever. I know I don't think the steer come this I think it was a private message that included Lee and Gary and myself.
I think. Whatever.
Okay. There's no there's no Tony's threat in September or
Anyway, that's my. Another thing I might to do.
I, well, it might have been you sending me a damn phone text message. God, I hate those.
Bye.
I, you know, can just.
Cause you just slow.
Oh, all I do is forward them to my email and then I got email.
No, no, no.
This probably should be a different part in our meeting, but I'm going to ask it here anyway because I see Ted Jones down as a couple of ideas there.
And, do we know of any of our members who went to the Friday? Red Hat user group lunch.
Hearing the silence I'm presuming we don't know anybody but
Okay. I never went.
Good. My.
And, and Gary at the last minute had me send something out about it. So somebody may have seen it the night before.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
About 9 at 9 pm or so. Right? Give him plenty of time to They were staying up to midnight.
They got him, gave him plenty of time to register. So that you get a free meal.
Refood.
Well, the, yeah. The launches were good. I mean, I went to the, Red Hat meeting.
I believe it was in August. I think I reported back there were 3 other lug people there are 3 other sloop people there besides me I think.
What was his name Gomez he was one of them And, Another guy from Penres Who hasn't been to one of our physical meetings or obviously since we haven't had one for 4 years.
Good a long time since he's
Okay, come around. I don't think back I'm pretty sure I talked to him. I think he said he's never has done a Zoom Meeting with us.
If you come to the physical community.
Hey, I'm not gonna bother with physical meetings anymore, too much work.
Well.
So anyway, why I ask is, you know, it's probably good that we butter up the Red Hat people show that, you know, we attend their meetings.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because I have the twist Ted Jones is frigging arm and say, hey. We really want you to tell us what Red Hat is wants us to do because he basically the last time I tried to twist his arm said that he would.
He'd answer any questions we have about it. Then he, you know, ducks the thing of, okay, can we just?
Have a meeting about it, you know, and these are well if you want an open source system you got to go.
That's the conclusion I came to. Because Red Hat Red has taken all our software. Hybrid license.
It's interesting because that that Red Hat meeting that they did. 4 days ago. And if either of you remember Formal title, please say so, but I don't remember it was another piece of Red Hat software
Yeah, which has absolutely no presence on the internet, namely.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, they bury it all. Yeah, and the Yeah, back in August. St.
Jones was telling me that we figured that well in October maybe they would talk about Centos at the Red Hat user group.
And, and then, yeah, week and a half before last Friday. Basically put out the announcement saying that, well, we Not going to do our originally planned topic.
We'd be this other one instead. So in other words, no, corporate. Red pad doesn't want a formal meeting, What the hell?
That's my take on it. What the hell do I know? Why if I when I sign in does meet up not show me the freakin red hand meetup group Hmm.
Welcome to Meetup.
What am I doing? Is it spelling? Is it had to be capital? .
No, no Oh, man, see, for groups instead. Oh yeah, that's right. If they don't have a meeting schedule, it won't show up as a meeting.
I still don't have a red head group. Still don't have a red hat group? Oh, they got you.
I saw, I saw something on red, meetup.
We, you can't find it from scratch.
That's true.
Put put a space, put a space in red. No, there's no space in
No, no space.
My group.
You can't you can't find crap on meet up.
Right there. Right there. See. So where's past meetings here?
Oh. Cause it's ST dash Lewis dash RHUG. Everybody knows what our HG is.
What the fuck is that?
. Yeah Right.
Red Hat user group. Yeah.
Obviously the,
And they couldn't use the word Linux in there?
No. Doesn't do anything Linux, they do IBM. Yeah. SAP and open ship.
That's true. Okay. Hey, Alex.
That didn't sound attractive to me.
I couldn't go to summit. We were out of town.
Yeah.
I know that's where we had freaking cold. No.
Yeah. How's she doing, by the way? She getting better? I hope
Yeah, I, 15 years ago we were up in Pennsylvania in Gettysburg and my nose is turned on like a faucet.
So we stopped by the drugstore and I grab some. Severe allergy sinus. And it worked like a champ.
I took the pills for one day and I, and I was, and I was good. So I got some of those for soon.
Now 2 days later, she, you know, she's feeling fine.
Yeah, system was weakened enough the allergies kind of kicked in, I guess.
Yeah, it could be.
Yeah, who knows? Anyway,
Bye. You know, I wish I knew more about it because Susie has some real cool stuff between You know, starting with rancher is the open source version of open ship.
Open shipped as a cluster manager from Red Hat. Well. So what it's not open source.
Okay, everything Sussi does is open source. Okay. And their version is. Rancher, Rich.
And there's a couple other pieces of it I've seen go by on Tweets.
Right, I don't have time. I'm having too much fun making money.
Yeah, that's the way it should be. Right.
Yeah, I already made enough to hold figure on my garden shit. Yeah, extra.
Okay.
Oh, right now we're supposed to be talking about the Bach, mainstream stuff. Mike Knight had been doing a lot of stuff that I didn't even read because I just haven't had time to read and get knee deep into that.
Good brain burn and all kinds of stuff because I just you know follow it
Well, it's easy to track. Just start, start on a system and listen. Just read through it.
Yeah, well, I haven't had time to do that. Alright, let's put this way.
I have not made time to do it because I enjoy his stuff too much and I get going down the rabbit hole.
So.
Hee hee. There be bunnies in there. Yeah.
Yeah. Let's say.
Oh, I was gonna look up a rancher.
Okay, so you got us on this point here of the W and update for and I have to admit I have not.
Caught up on Mike's postings either, so. Any gut level.
Comment here, I mean. Well, the upgrade is gonna be fairly straightforward. The question is what to do with mail.
Cause our version of Mailman is heavily customized. And the although we can kick the can down the road because Mailman 2 is still available in Are we on, we're on 10 right now, right?
Ron Ken, yeah. I think the I think the drop dead date according to the chart number there the long term support for 10 ends, June of next year.
Yeah.
Yeah. No, I'm not talking about Debian. I'm talking to my mailman.
If I remember
Well, doesn't that that doesn't that relate to what version of? The OS for running.
Yes, okay, okay.
Yes, and no, because Mail man 2 is still there. In Debian 11. It's gone in 12.
Yeah. Okay.
And 11 you can run 2 R 3 and 12 you can only run 3.
So if we want to kick the can down the road, we can. Run, M, 2 now on Debian 11.
And wait a year and a half and then deal with it. Are if we can get some good help that's you know that's why I was thinking maybe we could Do a live upgrade for a meeting.
We don't have the topic.
And that's another thing I've been putting on that on the billboard announced page. Is talk, I, I mentioned.
It's looking for help for this upgrade thing. But. Okay, you know, I can't sell it through whatever and then but then I'm talking to the beginner groups.
Yeah.
Essentially and the troubleshooting groups. And, Some of those guys could help, but you know, whatever.
I don't know.
Well, if maybe the question to ask is, is anybody? Interested in software enough to help us figure out mail-.
Yeah.
Cause if someone wanna get in there and do a deep dive on mailman 2, migrating to mailman 3.
Yeah. If you could here's a thought that may good be good or bad or not Maybe some kind of background material and throw it out on announce and discuss because You know, we've got people on an announce that are not on discuss and vice versa.
And, you know, just maybe. I want you know kind of a No more than once a week kind of thing.
So something out there about. Migration to or whatever you want to call it, upgrade. And,
Mike came up with some notes that he posted on Yep. Hey, maybe we find a management jock that'll do.
Hey, there you go.
I agree. We need to talk this up on discuss and announce probably. Get some, potential.
Worker beast. Obviously we've got stuff already planned for November as far as the general. The log meeting.
And I'm gonna say December.
December has so many frigging holidays going on in it but I just don't. Think it's a good time to try and do it a live upgrade because I think We just have too much with people.
Yeah, yeah, it was true.
All of a sudden saying, I can't do it, I got a holiday thing. So I say we either pick January or February.
And say, yeah, that that's only going to do the upgrade. And try and get people on discuss.
And the other things. So line up and volunteer and say they're going to be part of this effort.
They'll be there on this night January.
Okay. Oh, throwing out some. Some information on announce and discuss a kind of a summary of. what do you call it?
Look, look ahead or. Oh roadmap or something or we got this coming and it's a big you know it's a big elephant and we sure would need to use some help.
Good.
Heard him down the right path.
Oh.
Well, the thing is people aren't gonna volunteer if they don't know what they're doing.
And they don't want to point that out and let somebody figure out else figure out they don't know what they're doing because it makes them feel bad.
Yeah.
Well, we asked for volunteers. You know, hopefully we'll have. Smart people like Stan and Phil.
Sorry, gonna be there. And then we'll get some people who may not be sure of their talent, but They're willing to quietly say, okay, I'll be there.
On that date January.
Hey, another thing that we probably do need to start considering. Is choosing which meeting. Would be the live upgrade.
And I asked that with the idea of if we do the live upgrade on the Wednesday general meeting. What's the odds that we fuck up male-man badly enough that we no longer have mailman available?
Time to schedule the Thursday meeting. You send stuff off for the Thursday. Which maybe that's a good thing.
It's like, you know, by the way, folks, you're all in invited to come back and 8 days.
Hello.
But I'm not saying we're gonna solve that tonight, but no, we, all start thinking we're gonna solve that tonight, but, well, we, start thinking about how we want to schedule this.
Okay. Hey, NO. Any notes I should make here? On this.
Yeah, another one sense note saying, you know, decide whether we're going to do the live upgrade.
At the general meeting. Or the STL log meeting.
Lever does not support sanctions.
What'd you say, Lee?
I was looking on. Manager. To see what it would take to pull a snapshot.
And all I got is nasty. Liberty does not support snapshots.
I guess it's something I need to find out.
How's that sense? Look, Barry.
Oh, incorrect. I'm saying don't do it in December.
That's what I meant by encumbered.
Good, then they're the end of that sentence. You're saying January of February, when say January or February.
Thank you.
Look at all that nasty stuff.
By the way, This doesn't have to do with with the details of our meeting but rather I just don't understand the chart.
I'm just surprised the Debian security support Ends before. The long term support.
What the Debian security support, that's the, the, the main developers, they, do security stuff up and to that date.
After that is the community some community support that they have does does does the security stuff.
Oh. So long term support is not from corporate, it's problem community.
Well, there is no hardware.
Well, well. I mean, there is no corporate, but the, the main developers. For the operating system do the security stuff up.
Gotcha.
Okay.
. That dig, then they turn it over to the new kid in the room
Okay.
Sound of
Oh, okay.
Johnson says he sent you Michael Lucas email.
For the TLS presentation.
I've got it.
Yeah, Gary did know.
Okay, I guess Gary I guess Gary didn't know that Oh, I think that's all I'm planning.
Finding out.
It's on the planning PDF, damn it.
I'm pretty sure it is.
Why don't you see Michael Lucas on you?
Not up there. Oh, it is. Wait, hang on. It's way hell up here.
Okay, yeah, there it is. Yeah.
I can't find Yeah.
Alright, I thought I put it on. I got it. The thing is
Yeah, it's out there, Stan.
Oh god, oh god.
We've got an email address from we don't have a phone number. That's okay.
Hmm.
Oh I think we covered it.
Anything else there about Made? The server admin. Yes. Okay.
Hey Dave, are we keeping you awake?
On the web.
I think he is asleep.
Yeah. On the website. Maintenance.
I combined the meeting list from a St. Louis homepage with the Presentation Archive page.
Make this damn thing smaller so I can read what the hell I wrote.
Oh, bitch.
I can't lost control.
Better than me, I never had control.
Well, that was a motion. I used to available information I had and, I combined.
The St. Louis Linux homepage had a long list of all the meetings. Well, I took and made sure that long list that I have was put into the the presentation archive page.
Okay. And I, you know, and it still needs to be cleaned up a bit better. And I also put that presentation archive.
Page on all 3 of the sponsored home pages, the slap group. The newcomer group and the St.
Louis Finish user group. So if you go look at those websites. It down in the right hand corner, it's got the presentation archive.
On there so it's available on all. 4 of our web pages.
Does anybody care?
No, I like it. Good idea.
Okay. Okay. And whatever. Oh, Anything else about the web pages?
That was enough. I mean,
There's still a lot of stuff to. It could clean up. I mean, I finally There's stuff out there that I've got that's just not linked to anything because I don't know which damn I'd have to go watch the damn thing to figure out when it was withheld.
Whatever.
Floating presentations when I get them I do em.
Thank God. Thank you, Stan.
And I've been then.
Purging. More. Zoom
Recordings.
You can to conserve.
Allotted.
Thank you, LLWD,
Anyway, website meet up maintenance. Hmm.
I haven't done anything with Meetup. Just months that I don't think. I don't remember.
Right. Well, I did earlier on I had to. I did, made sure that there was,
. newcomer meetings and the slack meetings I've been doing.
Anyway. Meetup oh If you
I need need to I think I've just we need to emphasize that the Slack meeting is a configuration meeting.
Which may or may not involve Linux. And the, characterize the
Okay.
New log as a beginner meeting. Workshop, that's what I'm looking for.
It's another.
So.
Besides the fact that we all hate meet up. Anything particular we should be acting on here?
What do you mean?
No, I hate to say throw it away anymore because I've actually heard of more people this year.
Coming from meet up that I have in the last 10 years.
Yeah.
Pain in the ass. When you go to edit any damn thing because you don't know what you're going to get.
Whenever I put a cut and paste anything in there, God knows what it looks like. And especially if Gary does anything, God knows what it looks like because it looks like crap.
Oh no.
Hello.
Hey, okay, Lee, are you suggesting anything? Did you think of anything or you just kind of thinking that we're missing something?
You think you're missing something?
The thing is, even if I do something outside of meet up, it looks like. You've been telling me that's I'm starting young enough.
Oh, okay.
I don't know if I can stay away. I think the one thing. What were you talking about?
That Stan has told me off line. Or out of this meeting is he has gone in. Yeah, and that's his comment there on 12.
He went in because we're approaching 1,000 members And we seem to remember that that's when.
Meetup starts charging more money. And, next year. The next year, right. And so, Stan basically has gone in.
And proven the membership down. There are a lot of people who Signed up said they were members and we have never seen them at a meeting.
We've never seen any postings from them. You know, it's pretty obvious they. Joined as a resume staffer.
And The hell is that? Meetup is not something that goes on a resume. And say I'm a member of this group.
I'm a member of the Red Hat group. People put on their resumes. You can't.
I guess that's why I haven't written a resume in 40 years. No, I think who's reading the resumes, you know, and it's like.
A lot of companies If they've got a common HR department, they don't have a specialist in IT.
You know, they're just told to look for keywords. And, Well, you know, I breeds a resume anyway that they just feed it into their scanner and your input program pulls out the keywords.
Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, and throws it in a database in the database chucks out to people that hit all correct words.
Our presence on other social media.
Yeah.
I don't know what to do. You know, Jonathan there suggested Mastodon.
I don't even remember what Sean Tweethouse. What was the post ownership on?
Okay.
It was, James Conroy is on MASSED. He did a presentation on.
I looked at Macedon and if I don't know, comparing it to the other stuff, I think it'd probably be the best thing to do.
But I don't want to do it because it's another damn rabbit hole that I don't wanna go down.
Right.
Cause I was looking at it last week. Hi, I spent 4 h just looking at pretty pictures and things and stuff.
And and good God, how people have time to post all that crap. I don't know.
I guess.
They don't have anything better to do, like. Look a job or get your school work done or.
I tell you something, to Generation Z or whatever it is that grew up with social media. Is the most worthless group of people I have ever seen.
They don't know shit.
Yeah. Oh, it's been.
No, when I was 13 years old, I was taking cars apart and putting them back together.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you got you got who is it? Somebody's listening to somebody said that their kid was They went off to college and they didn't know what to do.
They're callin Holmes, what'll I do now?
I got Well, I gotta admit that's not Yeah, that was. 15 years ago, I remember standing on the parking lot with the Dean.
The new student move into the dorm and in August. And the dean was just wagging his head and saying, shit, it wasn't like this, you know, when I first came, you know, it's like your kids are all bringing in big screen TVs and big ass computer systems and and he goes no when my parents sent me off to college I had a small suitcase that had you know 6 pair
of underwear 5 parasites. First semester I packed the speakers in the back of my car and it wouldn't fit.
Yeah.
But the sad part is half the kids going to college, they waste their whole freshman year with the medial math and their medial reading.
But the The the thing It's, They're not self-motivated. That was the other thing we were fishing about back. Was I actually had students.
No, I tell them something. And they say, oh, well, I don't know, Mr. If I should work on this project or not hold on they pull out their cell phone and they call their mother dad you know and say should I work on this project?
Let's true, you know, we've got some couple of good friends around here. And one of them, she is so close to her daughter that I mean, there are either chatting.
Are, texting or what is it? Not Twitter, but Instagram and They got like 5 or 6 different social media links.
And they have to be talking at least 20 times a day.
Anyway, I think the 3 of us 4 of us of Dave is still with us. We're all in agreement.
None of us are mastodon or other social media users. But I think as we just pointed out.
Generation Z or whatever the hell you call the current group. All of them are. And so if we want to get fresh blood.
New people into our group. That seems to be where we have to advertise because that's where the fish are.
I.
If we can if we can find one that can spell
Or Linux.
No, no. Well, I hate to say it, but there's a prime example of that that just happened last 2 weeks ago.
When Israel shut down cell service in Gaza, everybody went What the fuck? You don't need a cell phone to live.
Okay.
Well, by the same token from the other side. The Kato Institute on their preliminary analysis of the, I'll call the opening attack, but the Well, The first thing they did is they knocked out all the cell tower.
Yeah, because the Israelis had stopped burying calm lines between their observation posts and they were depending on cell service.
I figure that's gonna change.
Anyway. Like I say, I don't like the social media, but that's where the fish are.
So if we want to Trying to trap young kids. Young people into getting involved with us. That's where we gotta go fishing.
Yeah, but you gotta have some kind of hook. Oh, no.
Yeah.
You know, nobody under 40 knows what open source is. Much less the crap that Google chips gems on your throat and all the data Microsoft collects untold.
The crumbs are good. Dump it out, and up at your mountain.
By the way, there's some kind of announcement from Apple today. There are coming out with M 3 chip.
I know.
Oh, that's right. Shit is Monday, isn't it? Okay, shit.
It's a hard worship, not software ship, but.
Yeah.
Apple does some crazy shit.
Okay.
They can afford to. They got billions of dollars.
Yeah, I mean, I, to this day, I remember Steve Jobs. 35 years ago.
He held up some new piece of crap on stage and says. This is not a device. Once we show it to people, this is something they're going to want to buy.
Doesn't make any difference what it what it is if it's apple they're going to buy it And that's way they have convinced the world.
That's the way they market to the world. At the same time, it makes me remember when.
When army tech was nice enough to sponsor.
Oh, God, what's his name? We got a, Oh, Richard Stallman, Stallman.
Sh!
Yeah. Yeah, you, put them up, put them up. When he did his talk, I always remember.
It was starting to say, yeah, you know, in the old days, Stalin would have, you know, called the committee together and said, okay, we're going to pass a rule that everyone has to carry around a communication device that will track their movement and it'll take photographs and we tell it to take photographs and we can know you know what they're talking about with who and we're going to pass a
law saying that this has to be carried at all time, reaches into his pocket, pulls out the cell phone, holds it up and goes, and we didn't even have to pass the law.
Anyway, alright, what else will we have to do?
Yeah. Yes.
Anything to say about the announced list?
Works good. It's there's not a lot of traffic on it
I, I, I think.
Yeah.
Probably ought to put more out there. But the thing we need to avoid it.
Yeah.
Hey, my opinion is, is stuff. That looks poor.
You wanna, Dave is making noise. You wanna mute him?
Yeah.
Oh, you gotta find my window first.
Okay.
Yeah.
Breaking zoom, hid the window as usual. Okay.
Okay.
Alright.
Anything you say about hybrid meetings, no thoughts on that.
No thoughts on it.
Okay. I did have a thought. I did have a thought on how on a holiday we do the head counts on those.
Oh, share it again. Number of people in a hybrid meeting.
How will we do the head count? If we had both. Both.
Remote and in face to face, you know.
Okay. I think technically for the comparison to previous head counts. We would have to show the whole total number of people both.
Physical and virtual. Because it would be nice. To keep a separate track. A vote, but I realize that's yet more.
Edek or bookkeeping.
No, nothing to say about cameras and things or whatever.
I got one that's all I know.
Yeah, you mentioned that last time.
And you got it and you got a projector, right?
Yep. The base in main structure. I was pretty good. Good results.
Actually, I think Stan has multiple projectors. I think the last few months we've been
I've got I've got I've got the sloop projector and 2 others as a matter of fact.
But they're older than, you know. Hey run on kerosene.
Yeah. I thought you were gonna say hamsters.
Well, maybe that, you know, you're both.
Anyway, to the point on the screen right now the what is the point on the screen right now?
Charter base. I think we've been successful in the last 2 or 3 months. Our base tutorial sessions.
Yeah.
Have been staying. 20 min, maybe 25. But I mean, they've been. They're no longer running grossly over half an hour.
That's good. We've been keeping them world to take.
Course some guy who's gonna do the talk the pastes next month even known to he's been known to generate 60 slides in 20 s.
I did a presentation one time on how to use Lieber office to generate a hundred 12 slides and less than 3 min.
Oh gee.
Yeah, Chair.
You just took the word, you just took the word document, pumped it through there and it came, if you break it out right.
It generates the slides.
Yeah, all you need is a master or not one.
Over the Over the last. Okay, about 3 months. Okay, Gary.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think probably 3 months. What a tilde in front of it because I'm just guessing it free, but I think that's probably right.
A tennis database?
Oh!
Yeah, it's good stuff, whatever. As long as I remember to do it.
Okay planning scheduled database report. What do you think?
Oh, I guess.
Great. I mean, It's become more and more of a go to tool. I mean, it's it's
Not even a second thought. It's like, okay, just slip that up on the planning database.
Yeah.
That's like just, you know, 20 min ago when we were talking about, needing contact info for, the true NAS guy and it's there.
It's right in the planning database where it should be.
Well, yeah, I'll elaborate on that thought. And, this is not a criticism of the person who's been maintaining it.
In other words, Stan, because he does all the work on this. But yeah, we, we got lost because the email address.
Was on the consideration line, you know, from back in. September, October. And it wasn't on the current line of where he was in the November listing.
But hey. One of us, namely me, should have noticed that before and moved the damn
If you take the time to let me show you how to operate the actual database, you'd have found it in a heartbeat.
What's the fun of that?
Well, within within 30 s without having to pay through all kinds of stuff.
Oh yeah, We should have found it much faster.
And yeah, I mean, there as you say, there's a way of. Searching within the database and finding it.
But fuck control F will pull it up right on the screen. Or slash slash.
Wow.
Oh.
As far as handouts, I'm just having time to do.
Yep.
Oh, you know, it's not the paper handouts of old. Of what Stan has been doing.
Or PDFs.
Yes, he's got these thumb drives down the Ventili one which
How's every frigging distros latest copy and you know, grab a new user and say, here, download this.
Hello.
Oh, don't even download it. You hand it to them, say, here boot off of this.
Yeah, He's got his. New Linux video thumb drive which has every every video that Yeah.
Well, at least, 1,725 or so.
See, there is the problem. Anything over 1,024. I don't have a bit for, you know.
Oh.
That's it.
Okay.
Stickers, chains.
He's alright.
There you is not here.
Would you get married? Well, remember.
What?
Stan, do you remember that? When is James's wedding?
Hey, no, I don't remember.
I forgot if we can crash it. Yeah.
I thought he Oh, is he coming back to town to do that?
I don't know. I don't know where the where the future wife is from. India.
India. Well, that's right. Yeah, you went over and visited the parents.
Yeah, yeah.
Is he gonna?
Hey. You mean to crash this wedding? We gotta go other side of the planet.
Is he gonna have to convert to being in, Muslim or, or Oh yes sir.
Who knows?
Bye.
Where do they what do they do in Packy, Stan?
Might as well. In.
Packies or Muslim. Indians are. Technically, India is a multi-religious state, but the current Administration is.
Aren't we all?
Not in the sand pile.
Organizational papers.
Box is probably still there.
M to me how much paper stuff Gary used to keep. And I would pop sure.
There.
There's 1, 2, 3 bankers boxes. This is the second note. This is my file.
All the stuff behind it. Cool.
Yeah, Gary, I was wondering if there were any documents in there that were previous handouts that Mike Chris may have handed.
Yeah.
And and got stuck in there because I could scan him and put him up on the Hi, I've run across some some of his stuff and I've scanned it to put up on the the archives page.
Yeah, I think I got most of those. Last year. And I could find.
You're not sure if that organizational paper boxes still there sponsorships?
Okay. No, Oh!
How order may I find it? You know, Eric, I want, or, ever stumbled across it after they unplugged it.
I forget what the is a different department who has the the half floor under the attic. I don't know if any of them never go in there.
Okay, you guys remind me if this was a known story. I'm thinking it might be from a guy former, farmer, student, slew.
Who was working at Southwestern Bell or AT and T. There you, they literally had built a drywall wall.
Yeah, they had. This one computer system on the other side, the now closed inside the dry world.
There's a Nobel server? That's true the story. Okay, okay. And they couldn't find it.
I didn't know where it was, but it was still up and wrong. And I forget how they did it, but they they faked that they got it through.
The bell key. Somebody held the bell key down he walked around to find here
You know, our remote terminal. Oh god. For the good old days. Okay.
We need help.
God, do wait. Well, there's there's no sense in asking because everybody else out there is younger farts and they'll give bushes.
Either their lives are more complicated than computers. Or I can't do it on social media, right?
You know, like families, kids, parents, sibling.
What are you talking about?
Awesome. He's basically saying the people we need help from. Or the the upper up and comers the younger folks.
That's right. That's right.
Oh, we don't want to help anyway. God. Oh yeah.
They don't have enough gray hairs yet, can't trust them.
Any new business?
You cut your beer up. Yeah, it's a little, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see I'm behind on everything.
I'm supposed to do this back in May or June for summer that I'm gonna grow it out more for Christmas.
Anyway, sorry, Stan.
The guy I knew that used to do Christmas is as Santa Claus. He passed away last January. Yeah, and oh.
Yeah. Oh shit. I, we, know one, chap like that. He's barely 60, he weighs about 400 pounds and he's not going to live another 5 years.
We've got so many proms. Depression.
And my extended family, I had a half a step brother, I guess or whatever you call it. He He got up to 480 pounds.
Wow.
And he just, it was all emotional problems that he just couldn't stop eating. The only thing he
You know, he just couldn't get away from it.
But Hell, he had his shit life too anyway, so. I guess you can. Unfortunately, I understand why.
And I never glad I never had the problems he had.
Now, had enough of my own.
I've got another Santa Claus story, but I'll wait till we finish the meeting and I'll just tell you guys.
Okay.
Hmm.
Yeah. Thank about. I mean, the only thing we're really thinking about is the next presentations really.
Okay.
And getting some help for the. Transition upgrade.
Yes.
Let me ask you this. Lee is Baka virtual machineers at hardware.
Virtual.
Okay, so I saw it.
Oh.
Yeah, it's on a physical machine that's pretty important to me. It handles our entire time and billing system.
Yeah. Oh god. Hmm.
Hey, since we got Tyler Rudy there at the top of the page. Of somebody remind me, didn't Siler Was it at the general meetings?
No, it was last month's meeting. Tyler said something about he was going out of town.
To do. What?
No.
Anybody remember? Okay.
It was Boston or something, wasn't it? To some convention.
I am thinking it was.
Yeah.
Right. Hopefully he'll be back.
They've got Zionist trollums.
Yeah.
They probably, probably at the Django convention. Yeah.
Oh, no, no new business, huh?
Really not.
Well, Steve's got some.
Nothing to see that.
Oh, I've got new business in there twice. Oh.
I guess.
There's old new business and his new new business.
Oh, that's what it was.
Hey, there you go. There we go.
Okay. Hey, we don't even need to look here.
Nothing.
Actually, we should look in. The October November and December. Entries. October first year, were in above the library branches.
Okay, and that route.
November, nothing happens. December's ballots.
Yeah, I'll be worrying about that. I've been That's all my to do list since August.
To to work on the ballot because I've been asking people to send me $20 and nobody done it.
So, hell, I can do the ballot, right?
Yeah, it doesn't do much good to put your name on or they ignore it anyway. Unfortunately.
That's true.
Actually, I will stick in something for November there. November, search out.
Technical group. Holiday parties.
Search out up yeah upcoming technical group holiday parties. To put on our kill.
We can.
Good idea, Gary.
I think I've mentioned it to you in the past.
I mean, we kind of used to know who was gonna be doing the planning for that. At the age of COVID, that just came to a screeching home.
All their partners.
I got that far and forgot what I was doing.
Yeah.
Alright, recognize useful efforts.
Definitely. Jonathan.
Anything else?
I think that's outstanding by itself.
It is, it really is.
That, well that and the fact that, Lee, not,
Ken Johnson showed up.
Oh, damn, yes. Yes, kudos to Ken for. Great presentation.
Mr.
Any follow-up action items? I think this whole section ought to be trashed.
Yeah, I keep saying every month I'm gonna sit down and go through it. Trash most of the trim it out.
Okay. Yeah.
Give it another month or 2 and after that I'll kill it.
Do we do, do we want to do anything blue skies that should be included in the recording or not?
Like I have anything. Yeah.
Okay, that's a no.
I removed it to adjourn the meeting, Gary.
And here's the second and all if I was sick of I'll be you sign the reap on the show the eyes have got it all right
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Okay, a book end. This is Monday, October the thirtieth. 2024 this was the steering committee meeting planning the November stuff for the slew organization.
Thank you all