I've got an anonymous coward going you want to turn on the The other thing, Lee?
Cool.
Hmm.
This is the steering committee meeting of sleuth or. Month of December, 2 23.
Today's date is December the fourth, I believe. I believe so. Alright. And with that, we will start the meeting.
We've got the agenda change. Ed Hollins here. He wanted to talk about a little bit about the base presentation.
Is offering to do. Or January. Okay, go ahead, Ed.
Percent.
Okay.
Okay, yeah, so Anybody can pipe in, on this, but I was trying to basically PIN Gary down.
Ha ha ha!
Hey fun!
That's, you know, so started talking to Stan earlier today and since we want to come to the St.
I'm meeting you'll be there. I said aha.
Okay.
Going on there with the music.
Have to help. Oh, that's my phone. Hello?
Okay.
Oh
We've muted Steve's in his phone.
Oh, he did? Okay, okay. So Gary, Oh, Stan tells me you're like a knowledgeable about the past.
And but I have no clue. All I know is that Gary Meyer is a.
A long time president of sloop. That's it. That's like the total form of my knowledge.
What did you do? Before unit. Wait.
All that means Oh, that means you can't count anybody else takes a job.
What did I?
Yeah. What? I mean, I figured he had a life ahead of before that, right? So what's your background?
What's upon a time back in high school there were these little plastic computers you could put together and you put little thumbs in there and then you mechanically help you probably don't want to go that far back.
Hmm.
What did they call those things?
You know, I wish I could remember they were like clear plastic with white and red plastic pieces. I thought the wireframe with all the the bobbles you swap up and down.
You slide up and down. Anyway, moving ahead, shortly. So yeah, I guess I got started.
Moving ahead, shortly. So yeah, I guess I got started.
Actually my first programs were Fortran and I ran them by a friend of mine. Because at that time, my school, we didn't have any computer.
And so I gave it to, I literally would give my programs to him and he would run them since he was in college and had access to
Oh, what you do give them, listings or did you put it on to bunch of cards or something?
I, I just gave him listings. I didn't have access to a punch machine either.
Okay.
Anyway, again. Further back than you wanted to know about.
Yeah, well just what basically wanted to know like what you know operating like what was your first professional job where you, you know, what operating system did you use that?
And then going forward.
The. So it's a control data, 3,300.
Right.
One of the. Original baby supercomputers. Was it USU? And.
So, the terminals.
It was the, there were only a couple of terminals. So all of the student activity was on punch cards.
And, so I wound up applying to work part-time and then that left to full-time.
And I've stayed with the computer center at slew for decades afterwards, eventually becoming director of the computer center.
And we'd migrate it from the control date at 3,300. Which was a proprietary operating system that no one really remembers.
Except maybe Steve, you may have some background.
Let's stop reading system re-using.
That was on the 3,300 and I believe There was oh god
Yeah, never in that one.
Compass. Scope compass. Okay. Anyway.
Boy, Hi, I started control data computers.
Must have been.
Must have been around 1980.
Cool.
Okay.
I don't really remember the name of the operating system.
Operating system would go back to the late sixties and then into 70.
I probably I might not have seen it then.
Anyway, after that, we got a honeywell. Which ran the GCOS operating system, which of course is the grandfather of Unix.
So yeah, I remember when things like directory trees and file structures and shell the shell the the Editor, which is basically the precursor to buy.
So, yeah, all that was kind of familiar because all that eventually got migrated into Unix.
Well, you remember what the original name for Vi was, don't you?
Vision interface to ED.
No. Okay. Okay.
So, okay. Okay.
And then after that, we got a, we got. Dex, Vax machines.
And I got to put together a whole bunch of Vax clusters which were the hot item back in those days it was the IVM killer you could actually take a whole bunch of vaxes and put them together and really have more power.
And you could in an IBM mainframe. That was kind of a neat thing. And then we started migrating from the BMS operating system.
Over to Dex proprietary Unix and then off to just straight tapes from Berkeley from BSD.
And and off-band hardware and stuff like that.
Okay, so, The, the G costs, right? Was that was on, that was, was that from General Electric?
Okay.
Yes. Originally, General Electric started that operating system and that line of mainframe hardware and they decided they got into the business because they were I think they found out they were Ibm's biggest customer and they suddenly realized why are we spending all this money with IBM we could build this stuff ourselves and after they were in the business for a few years, they decided to sell their computer division.
Okay.
And it just became Honeywell's main computer. Honey will have their own lines of computers but the the GE really took it over when they bought that.
Right, and so you didn't have, you didn't like jump in immediately between those between that and Unix.
You didn't you didn't have a sojourn. With Multics.
Or did you?
My experience with Multics was because I was active with the the unit or the And even though GCOS was the original operating system.
Multics was supposed to be the follow on, you know, and replaced Gcose.
Okay.
Never did. But, so I wound up. Know being in contact with a lot of people who who were using Multics, universities and few big corporations forward.
But I wasn't, I, the only time I was ever on it was just, you know, for.
One off little projects that the user group was involved with.
Oh, okay. Yeah, cause I was doing some research on Multics or whatever, but that was kind of interesting that they.
It was like It was like you when you logged in, you got a single process, right?
Thank you.
And all of the programs were really just like DLs or whatever, right? And you kind of like dynamically link to them.
Right? So it was interesting. But anyway, okay, so getting back to the, to the G Coast thing, you mentioned You said.
A hierarchical file system and the shell And so my question about that is.
So I'm assuming it was a time sharing system, right? Like similar to. CTSS or whatever or.
Dartmouth time sharing system or one of those. Various time sharing systems around back then.
That correct?
Yep, start with actually utilized it kind of grew around it or out of it. And, the the initial design would basically it was a batch system.
Thank you.
But then as a particular program running as part of the batch system. There was a TSS time sharing system which just wound up running continuously on the system and people eventually stop thinking of it as a batch machine that had the secondary function just thought of it as terminals which oh yeah by the way you can You can start batch programs in the terminal if you want.
Right, right. And, and, so the shell there, right, was Sort of kind of an interactive show where you could like list files and directory or something like that or initialize the program.
Yep. I mean, it, it rapidly grew to something very close to what, you know, we all know and love today that They became conditional branches if statements.
Yep.
From commands to run, you know, a particular executable if you wanted to run it. There was a file redirection, you know, it could.
Declare a particular file as input, particular file as output.
What question I have about that is the when a program ran and let's say in the IBM world they would call in and and abnormal termination, right?
Yep.
So, with, with GCO. You, you could test for that.
Right. GCL was, it was like a shell script in the many ways, right? And you could test for that.
Okay.
So if it appended. You could have some message be sent to a printer or something or a system council or something.
Did Gcals have that type of thing where you could say, oh, the exit code is not 0.
I'm, you know, obviously putting Unix in there, but you know, if it was Not a normal termination.
Could you? Conditionally run some other program. Or something.
Yup. I don't recall if it was in the very early versions. But certainly by the end, that was that was.
And when I say the end, I mean, there's certainly. Places in the world where they're still running geekos but when I was last picking around with it.
Oh, that was already something that was Get into the system. Yeah, their conditional. And.
Yeah.
Oh, okay. Oh, well, I see. Okay, so there's like, okay, I didn't think it, but G cost of I was thinking of Multics.
In the you know, in the sense of being like, historical precursor to Unix.
But you're right, Gcos had a lot of some more ideas. Even before.
Okay.
So.
One of the fun things is that Multics. Was. Definitely virtual machines inside VMs.
Right.
And, So, rather than continuously recreating the wheel. There was so much that, you know, yet needed to be done within Multics.
That almost all multi sites systems. One of the first VMs that they would We're in online would be a VM that thought of itself as a machine running G.
Hmm.
Because that way you had a a fully functional perfected system that had editors and time sharing and and so.
Yes, I don't know if they ever got to the point where somebody just lived on naked.
Multics without actually having a G Coast. M. Running on the machine
Okay, no. Yeah, if anybody knows of anybody with experience in multiics, I'd like through like to talk to them, but.
Yeah, that was very informative. Thank you, Gary.
Okay.
Hey, Gary.
You're welcome. Fought back through the, the old days. Yeah, the, yeah.
When did control data start or operating system start producing a day file? Do you remember?
Oh, I do not.
What is it?
Well, what that was is. There was a system day file and then your whatever program you were running produced a day file.
But that was all the steps the computer had to go to to run your thing. Mounting tapes.
You know, compiling programs, whatever. But you could go back through a day file and just.
See nobody does that anymore because it probably just balloon into such a ridiculous large file that But, it was really handy.
Okay, system log almost. Like a lot of all the system stuff.
Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of like a system log. Yeah, I guess that would be a good way to put it.
But they had a lot of handy features, you know. I don't know, we seem to do just fine without them now, but.
Yeah, one of the things, Gary, that I wanted to know if you knew about was in Multics.
They had a. Compared to the original Unix, right? Like the first editions of Unix.
Oh, say up to seventh, so. The security they had like multiple rings right so It was like real low level ring and then it was like rings within rings within ring, right?
Yes.
And this was turned out to be very important for the. Department of Defense because for instance, You could have, 2 users on the same system.
One could have a top secret clearance and the other one could have a secret clearance, right? And even though they could share files and data between them, right?
The person with the lower level clearance, right? Could not see. Things that they weren't allowed to see, right?
Correct.
And I mean, that was that was enforced at the kernel level, right? So you literally couldn't get, you really couldn't get even attempt to hack it, right?
It's like, you know, you pretty much would have to rewrite Multics in order to, to get access to stuff that you weren't, you didn't have the need to know.
Yeah. They referred to it. As mathematically provable. Security that you could not.
Escape to the next ring without proper clearance. And which I think probably made life so complicated.
That's one reason why it didn't take off. You know, become much more popular because it really became a mother bear to work with, you know.
It wasn't just you didn't trust anybody, it was the computer didn't trust anybody.
Yeah.
Right, right, right, right. Right. Yeah.
My favorite story along those lines when I was still involved with user group. There was. let me think.
I think at that time honey will on them. I don't know, bull that already bought them, but by the way, Honeywell sold out their computer operations to both for the computer.
Right, right, which was a French company.
Yes. Umhm. But the, and they had to wind up with a contract still with the old honeywell because there were so many.
Air Force and US. Military. Machines that were running. Those operating systems and that hardware that, you couldn't give the contract to a foreign company even if it was French.
And so it all had to be some. Yeah, sub handled through, money well federal systems.
Especially. Okay.
Okay, yeah.
But, But my favorite little thing when the when the user group related the story that, well, they wanted to just and Multics say they announce it.
They were gonna get rid of the Multics business and they were gonna shut it all down and quick supporting it and because there wasn't enough uses all down and quick supporting it and because there wasn't enough uses use of it to make money.
And, okay, so finally they had to call the accounting side of the business in and sit them down.
Hmm.
Okay. We'd like you to look at this. You see, there's. This whole team, all these different field engineers, and you notice that there seem to be a sign to dipshit jobs, you know, that are at some strange address and and and these programs they're all you know things that are being written you know in-house and tailored into the operating system but.
You They're all considered like low level maintenance programs. They're being done by people that Nobody knows what that office is, where that where are those people working?
And they finally had to fess up to the accountants that yeah there was a whole line of billing that was being done.
For useless, seemingly useless maintenance things. And these were all being built out through third parties to.
Military sites, the CIA, the NSA. They had multiple systems running.
Oh, this, this is all the black money that was being spread around in those days. But like the seventies and stuff, right?
Alright.
Yup, Yeah, there were many more Multic systems that actually existed. Honeywell Harper had records of.
They basically would build them in the back room of the assembly line and they would leave the building. So.
Oh my god.
Yep. I remember one instance where we built a Kra machine. And most all of the are a huge.
Fraction of them went to government black sites. And you know those 3 letter agencies that don't exist.
Yeah.
And. At least once the the delivery instructions were Put it all in a tractor trailer.
Okay.
Park it in this Walmart parking lot. Get out, read the engine running, lock the door and walk away.
And they did.
Yep.
Hey.
Yeah makes makes a lot of sense.
Yup, and we. We had maintenance people. And we paid him. But we didn't know, we literally didn't know where they were.
Yup.
Literally didn't know where these people were they could have been in Russia for all we knew And,
Yeah, CDC had an awful lot of stuff with the government.
Oh guys, we've been going on for nearly a half hour now. Do you think we need to?
Yeah. Well, that my only Go ahead. Yeah, okay, I'm sorry.
No, no, don't be sorry about this. This is super interesting. But, I'm thinking at this point we might say that, Ed, have you got enough?
I think so. Yeah, I do. Yeah, we could go on for hours. So, but thank you.
This whole topic in Excel would be a great discussion group to go to one of the meetings.
Yeah.
Can I share something on the screen for just a moment?
Sure.
Okay.
Let's see, which one do I want?
This one.
Okay, you see that, web page there?
CDC, 8,600.
Yeah, the CDC, 8,600.
Yep.
That's the first Kre computer. Do you notice it looks exactly like the, well it looks exactly like a cray too.
The cray one was a, you couldn't really hardly see over it. It was about 6 feet tall.
Yeah.
And it had seats all the way around it. Power supplies were in the cease. They were really, they had nice cushions on him.
Huh.
And you could really snooze on that thing. I'll tell you what. But that's just the way they built it.
Pretty interesting all the wires on the back plane each of these segments had a back plane and the wires on all the back.
Planes were exactly the same links.
Was a wire wrap or solder?
I honestly don't know but they were all exactly the same length so they didn't run into timing problems.
That being the operating system dramatically simpler than Ibm's Because you didn't have all the timing issues the IBM you had like 8 million Low level commands to synchronize various widgets.
In on a career you didn't. You didn't need it. Because every piece of wire connecting every everything was exactly the same length What was it was it was interesting to watch them build these things they built them from point to point wiring diagrams.
And if that got screwed up, I, they had women working on this. And. I was in there one time looking at it.
How do you keep that straight? Lady says, like, I got a book. I go from A to BB to C, seated, you know, and, The guy I was with and he said if you disturb any of these women I will personally kill you lose your body I think he was serious.
Yeah. I probably was.
Probably what? Can you imagine? I've got some.
Yeah.
Yep. Seymour Quay used to work for control data before, it's work out on his own.
Yeah. Well, what you see this is a CDC, 8,600. They gave him the design and said we don't want this pile of crap.
You can have it. And just take it with you. And they did that's not what it says here, but that's what actually happened.
And so he built it and that was the cray one.
But that the cray too looked almost exactly like that except it was The panels weren't black, they were clear.
And the thing ran. It was liquid cooled, but it was completely flooded. That was a tank.
And the cray too and it just you filled it up with this Sincethetic fluid. It was a dielectric fluid.
It wasn't developed for the for the. You know, it was something that Seymour found and it worked and so, okay, we use it.
And, But that was the only way they could get it to to run cool enough.
Size of the, I mean the amount of power that went into these things she was. You know, it was like a Every one of those little blocks and about the same power as a toaster And, It took a lot of cooling 30 or 40 tons to keep a cray one running 30 or 40 tons of cooling
And, but that was how he he didn't he didn't really design much He just.
Found parts that would work and he put them together.
One of the first things they did when they got,
Okay.
New chips and things is they would drop test.
Just pick him up and throw him on the floor. And the ones that survive nowadays everything would survive but back in the sixties or 70, s not so much.
And, they would, pick them up and then they would. Install them in something and they would overclock them.
To I don't I don't know how hot they got them but they They would, oh, they, wait a minute.
Okay.
They took him and they baked him in an oven. They had a series of ovens and they would bake them in the ovens.
For maybe a week or 2. And then they would test them and the ones that survived they use, you know, it was like this and The chips were never designed for anything resembling what Kay was doing to him.
Okay.
Wow.
Anyway, I thought that might be interesting.
Very interesting.
I got some pictures of the ladies wearing these things. I'll have to I can't find him tonight, but I'll have to find him in.
Maybe down the road we could do this this history peak. That'd be great.
I think it would be.
Oh
Oh.
Okay, at this point I think we should tell Ed to go away. Yeah. No, no, and then go ahead.
You want me to actually leave or can I stick around?
Okay.
I'm done asking questions, but, yeah, go ahead.
No, I'm kidding I'm just trying to get us back on course. Yeah. No, go ahead.
Yeah, I think we need to start getting on.
Yeah.
Okay. Okay. Okay.
But it was interesting stuff. And thanks for bringing it up. Yeah, really.
Thank you.
Okay. I think it's enough to get you started, right, Ed?
Yeah. Yeah. And you can always, corner Gary on some more to stuff later and even, Steve Stegman might give you some.
One
Well, on that, yeah, on that one slide. Yeah, well I wanted to know, which is the better email for Gary.
That a good one or
Okay.
Normally, yes. Right now I'm working with this, Chromebooks or Use Trip Tucker Truck.
Yeah, that's.
Yeah.
I don't.
Where did that name Trip Tucker come from?
Okay.
You's the engineer in Star Trek Enterprise.
Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, true. Yep.
And that's it.
It's been a long road.
Third, I did not remember that at all.
Yeah.
And,
Yeah. So what's the, is it, truck truck? Did you say?
Well.
Track, K, EK, like Star Trek.
Now, I'll send you the link.
Okay, send me the link. Thank you.
Maybe Gary don't want to hear from you, Steve.
Yeah.
Yeah, send it to me too. Okay. But they need
Yeah.
Alright folks, we need to start the regular meeting. Okay.
I What is that?
Thank you, Ed. That was very Very good. Now hope we got a lot out of it. Okay.
You just, Okay.
Waste we we started the meeting and we started a recording so let's go on and Yeah.
Yeah, we started recording half an hour ago.
Right.
Okay.
But by the way, that recording is now being impounded by the NSA.
Yeah. Hey, not only that, you're gonna come and take all our machines away.
And all the peripherals we got in the house. And you know.
Yeah, but never find the back case.
That's hope not.
Around today.
Okay.
I'll put that time thing in later, but anyway, Dave is here. Leave is here.
Yeah.
Gary is here. I'm here. Steve's here. John is here.
Thank you for showing up, Sean. And, Let's see. .
H.
That way.
Okay.
Yeah, you forgot to mention me, Ed.
I'm typing that in right now.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Ed Holland. Okay, yeah, and, Secretary report.
Okay.
John is here.
But.
So you're happy with that idea? Is that what you said?
Just for, you know, Sean, just for the future event, I'll get run over by a truck and then you'll need to do the, the editing and it's in the future.
That's what's there. Wasn't.
Wow.
I can't type with it darn. Lee, did you get a chance to put in numbers?
Lee stepped away for a moment. He'll be back probably at about, 45 s.
Oh, the date are one November 3 November so he must have added something. So it looks like buddy and S.
Today.
He was paid calendar report. Okay, those are the numbers I put in there.
Come on.
Oh shoot, I forgot to do November. I'll do them later. I thought I did that November.
Whatever. It has, you know, the point I'd like to make is that,
Comments. I went back and got the accounts for September and October and I found that Google had changed the functions the way the gang Calendars displaced.
Oh!
Wasn't that nice of em? They used to have an agenda listing feature. Now it's replaced by something that's more limited.
Is called schedule feature. It only does a couple of days or you can go in there and put a time span but you get then you got a finagle with the darn thing.
You know, you don't get the same level of detail from the schedule display that we used to get.
Oh god.
Accounts from September onwards seem to be low compared to previous methods. There is a way to ask for detail, but not as of yet.
I'm sure that it's giving me good results. I went back to August and only got a hundred 12 compared to the previous method results of 300.
I went back to July and only got a hundred 8 compared to the previous message resulting of 2 99.
On ongoing cleanup and removal of listings for function and events may be reasons for the significant change.
I'm not sure about that. We never kept the files. That, I never kept the, that they used for doing the previous count.
Okay.
So I'm unable to determine how the results have changed. The new method counts all day events and events with a specific time, not historical events.
That may be what the major difference is. So we are now only counting events, not overall effort made while putting the information into the calendar.
And future event, I get run over by a truck. So somebody else is going to have to do this.
I'm sorry, could you repeat that last sentence? Before you were run over by the truck.
So we are now only counting events, not overall effort made while putting information into the calendar. We're not, it's not, in definitely not including historical stuff.
Okay, which has been so it seems to be what what it may have been counting before
For each month as an egg. The idea I had was that This was the counter record. In one respect, The events that are in St.
Louis. Plus also to show how much effort we were putting into doing the calendar. As as an additional benefit of account.
Yeah, so. Maybe. Maybe that's what it is. It's just that it's only actually counting.
The beginning, you know, you see an event there with a starting time. It's if it doesn't have a starting time, I'm thinking it's not counting something like a, a historical entry we put in there.
Under the current process. 100. Okay. Okay.
Oh, okay. Okay, so if we just put something down as an all day thing that doesn't get counted now.
That's what I'm thinking.
Okay.
You know, and in the past it was counting the all day events and was counting any reoccurring history thing we may have had in there.
I thought I'm thinking is being done. I mean, that's how I think the difference between what it does now and what it used to.
Hmm. Good.
Okay, I don't know whatever
Hey, any questions on that? More questions?
Okay. Okay. Like I said, future events, Stan gets run over by a truck or somebody else has got to count this stuff.
I'll go back and add that. Monthly in.
I thought I changed this.
I don't know. What the hell?
Future event I get run over by a truck. Whatever attendance report, I did do that stuff. If it's not there, I don't know what tail happened.
Anyway. Those are the numbers for November 4 for steering committee slack was 9. It's Lugus 20, St.
Louis Linux users group with 27. I had 18 at the new Linux group and I'll get to that later.
That's significantly. A significant number compared to all year that's the most I've had all year.
18. Okay, also I'd like to propose a layout change where I take those those parentheses off of there because since we're no longer Doing face to face meetings is there's no need to differentiate the numbers.
It's gonna be an accumulated number. If even if we go to doing a hybrid meeting.
It's just going to be a total number count.
I think that's reasonable. Yeah.
Okay, yeah, scissors are no longer a sign and sheet difference from the actual head count. Like to remove those parentheses.
Right. Yeah.
I use a separate connection, the anonymous coward to record the virtual machine, meeting attendance.
Nobody else is doing that. that anonymous coward recording. Is a virtual.
I got a duplicate line there. Just take that out. Get it I will record the meeting attendance in a labor office database, make it available.
From and there's a link I put here on that steering committee. A web page should I set out to leak a link to discuss or to, sis admin list earlier.
It's got all that additional stuff in there. Nobody else is recording their tennis or even seems to be looking at it.
The attendance database. Does anybody pull that list down and look at it? Or they just go for month to month and say whatever the numbers are.
Oh.
The point being if that's future event when Stan gets run over by a truck somebody else might have to do this if we even care anymore
I've been Keeping my own very sloppy. Attempt at it and that during the course of the meeting a lot of times I will you know, click on, participants and I'll just copy, paste.
The participants into a file. With a time stamp and That way I can kinda go back and see that, oh, okay, well.
Ed was here at the beginning of the meeting, but when I did it again, halfway through the meeting.
Ed was gone, but, but now, Now Shawn is here at the meeting and yes.
But, but yeah, I don't. I don't do anywhere near as good of a job as you do.
Permanently documenting it. I just kind of Do it during the meeting, look at the notes and if I happen to keep the file.
Yeah, I've got a file of it somewhere.
Yeah, okay, whatever. Yeah.
Yeah.
Can I ask a question? Okay, Stan, you said that the you had the database of Libra office database, right?
Yeah, yup.
And you said there would Did you say there's a link? Do it someplace.
Yeah, the link is on that. I sent out to the there's if you go to WWE slug.org slice steercom Good.
It brings up a separate web page that I designed for the Steering Committee. It's got links to the to the attendance database.
It's got links to the the the minutes and the. The the agenda. It's got links to the videos.
It's got links to the. Sponsored meeting calendar. They abbreviated sponsored meeting calendar we have.
And it's got a, I, well, it's a knife brand page and it's a nice brain page to our presentation archive listing.
Oh. Gathered together there on one page for the steering committee. Plus it's got some links.
Yeah, yeah, it's a
Yeah
Okay. Okay. Okay.
It's like a dashboard for the group. Basically. Yeah. Okay, so by, no, my, friend, I was trying to, narrow the focus of my question to the database, or the but the attendance and So if you if I if you say click and download that And I've got, or somebody has labor office on their computer.
Yeah.
Right? They could pull it up. Or click on it or whatever right and it would pull up and you would see the database there right.
Yeah, yep.
Yeah.
Thank you.
But then let's say for instance you did that and you know, humans are, you know, error prone and you noticed a mistake.
Yeah.
How would you? Inform you, Stan or whoever the post and hit by truck.
At this at this at at this point is a single person running it. I have not gone to the advanced thing of setting up a more sophisticated database.
So we just would email you, right? You know, or something like that. You know, like or whoever, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
We would say, okay, notice this problem in the database here. Okay. Alright, just curious. I know it's sort of trivia, but Sometimes these.
Well, good question, but I mean, and it's always been my long range objective to to Go beyond the current setup, but I mean there's just never enough time or energy or Whatever.
Or knowledge actually, you know, it wouldn't necessarily I'd probably have to send it switch it over to Mysql, they are not nice.
Let's take a light. Okay. Google.
No. We, what's the database? We, what's the database we got running on.
Oh, okay.
You.
Yeah, switch it over to Mysql or What, whatever that mine Maria or whatever the hell is called, whatever the, you know, which, which.
It's still, it's still my sequel.
Right, it's actually a fork or whatever alias blah blah blah whatever But that, see that, that the advantage to that would be that then you could actually set it up to have multiple people editing a file.
As it is now, it's only a single Shingle person at any one time can Can't even know you could you could do it remotely you could only have one person in there editing this thing at a time because it doesn't do Doesn't do record blocking.
The current one doesn't.
Right, right. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, but, okay. Okay, cool.
Okay.
All right, I, I guess anything, any other questions on that?
Hi, I wanted to talk about, well, this is the review of the November meetings. We had a slack meeting.
At the beginning of the month and I don't remember what happened there. I haven't when the daylight savings time ended.
Okay.
November eighth, there was the meeting where we had the guy. I did a script recording. Per base.
Anybody have any?
Very good too, by the way.
Yeah, that was really neat. That was really neat. We need more of those.
You just want me to do more base sessions, Kerry, I know you.
Yeah.
Well, but yeah, I mean it's not necessarily you should be the one doing them but but yeah, I love these Good basic.
Yeah. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Yeah.
Here's, here's a tool, you know?
Yeah, but that's the kind of stuff, but you know, we need to get pry out of people.
Yeah.
We just get. You know, we could just get people to do stuff. You know, I mean, there's so much knowledge out there, but they're, you know, they don't wanna get in front of a crowd.
There's somebody that you know who I'm thinking of that we we will never get him up there.
Hmm.
And that's still bunch. I mean, the guy is just phenomenal. But you'll never get in front of a group.
You know, 2 or 3 at a time, he can do it, you know, whatever. He has done stuff and we've done a keyboard karaoke.
He has done that but beyond that no nothing prepared nothing. Where you know you can ask him 20 questions.
Yeah.
Yeah. Anyway, any other comments? Yeah.
That's it. If it feels serious about leaving town. We gotta tell the, There's a required thing, a debriefing session.
Oh
So we get to have a meeting where the title is going to be 20 questions with Phil Bunch.
Maybe Ed could talk him into that. I wouldn't. I wouldn't even attempt it.
Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know.
And leaving town, he's still gonna have internet access and you know, he'll probably be show up at all of our meetings.
Shoot, we have guys come in from British Columbia, Canada. We have guys coming from California we have guys come in from Arizona we got people come in from New Mexico we got them you know all over Boston.
They show up, you know?
You know, some of the words.
One.
Yep, yeah, he's he's probably gonna be in or in Arkansas permanently in January.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
So probably not any face to face meetings, but unless he comes up or visit or something.
Yeah, you forgot in your list of Michigan. Okay.
Yeah, that's right.
Yes, true. Hey, it's true. Okay, we get them from all over. Oh, how I wish again I was in Michigan, right?
You betcha.
Yeah.
Yes, Master Shard, I used to work for it. It was his favorite steak. For the main, that meeting we had John Newbo from Microsoft.
He did the Microsoft Windows subsystem for Android. Does anybody have any comments about that?
He, he had John Newball had to reschedule. We originally had him set up for 8 November, but because of travel requirements we had to.
Be scheduled and there was a great disturbance in the course. One that happened, I'll tell you.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, had Gary scambling, scrambling. But it people think of it? Let you guys think of that?
Bye.
Did you attend it? Okay.
Yeah, I was there.
Yeah.
Okay.
I remember thinking that There was stuff there that Just kinda because I was distracted trying to run things in the meeting.
I wanted to go back and listen to the. Listen to the recording later and Unfortunately, I have not yet gone back and listen to the recording.
Gary, you don't have time to do breakfast. What are you talking about anytime?
Right, right. Well, anyway, so I, you know, I had the feeling. That there was stuff that I want to go back and listen to there, but I can't come up with the specifics off the top of my head.
So, But I almost had the feeling that in some ways. He knew the material just so damn well.
But it almost came off like he was just kind of going through it. Am I wrong about that?
My impression is the guy was a very monotonous and he's in his tone of voice and he put me to sleep.
Bye.
Good. Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, I have a slightly different take. My take was and I kinda asked the question in the meeting about this that It seemed to me that the WSA, I can't say that, sorry, Android thing.
Was seemed to be kind of like a developer focusing sort of the same way that they're, positioning Windows subsystem for Linux.
Okay.
Meaning like oh you're a developer right and you like Linux well you don't have to leave Linux you can you know leave Windows you can you can have your cake and eat it too And that so the point being that.
Thanks.
That the Android was kind of a developer type of thing, right? But then when I kind of trust him on that, he seemed to say, well, I'm, you know, I do marketing, right, or something like that, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Like his job at Microsoft was not, is maybe, you know, sales tech or something or text.
Yeah, well.
But not so much,
Ed, one of the drifts that I've gotten from watching Twit TV's, Microsoft Weekly.
Yeah.
Okay.
Is it they want to position himself as a developer platform that is why they've incorporated this? or the, Linux.
Subsystem that's why they incorporated this subsystem for Android. They want it to be that you go to keep going to Microsoft to do all of your development even though it's you may develop stuff for a different platform.
Yeah.
Yeah, I totally agree with that. But on the on his presentation today. The what I'm saying is my take on it was maybe a guy who was like a Android developer might be more responsive or not responsible?
Yeah.
And an actual developer.
It might be more relative to that person. Right? As opposed to being general purpose.
So I don't know, but that's just my take. Okay.
Yeah, I wanna make a specific point about the interface, but first. Respecting that John said he needs to get out of here around 7 30 and that's coming up in just a few minutes.
Okay.
I want to first off As Shawn as far as the review for for this meeting we're talking about and for the St.
Louis Linux meeting. Sean, you got any? Any comments you'd like to throw in before we lose you?
Yeah, thanks. So for this meeting or for the, for the Windows, for Android stuff specifically.
Yes.
I thought it was kind of boring, but I think that's just because Like it was really short, right?
Like he was in and out in like 8 slides. So it's very short, not a lot of demo, but I also think there's just not much to show, right?
It's like, Here's Windows, that's pretty boring. And then here's Android on top of it.
Like that's also pretty boring. Like you can't really. Do anything interesting with that like, oh, I can install Android apps on Windows, you know, what to do.
But then once you do like a 1 min demo of installing an Android app, like what else could you even do really?
So. So I thought it was pretty boring, but I think that was just the subject matter. There's not a lot.
There, I thought. But, yeah, so that's my opinion on that one.
And how about the? Next week, the Thursday. Log meeting.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, the TLS one. That was a That was.
Very in depth, right? I don't know. It was all it was all like a review for me.
So I'd be, I'd be more interested to hear from somebody who, who that was new information for.
Good.
But for me, that was kind of all review and I kind of, knew most or all of what he was saying.
So.
Are you talking, are you talking, you guys now talking about the. . S.
TLS transfer layer security thing
Yeah.
Yes. That's what he's talking about.
Oh, by the way, Sean, you kept, open a connection to the old link.
Did I? I screwed up the instructions I sent out to discuss and announce posting the previous month's link.
Sorry about that. This happened. And I was too busy with the Bill Boys billboards rotten back and so forth to correct instructions by either new mail or new website changes or anything like that.
Sean kept open, that. Wrong connection and told people to let them know that to go to the newer link.
I appreciate that. Thank you.
Thank you, Sean.
No, that wasn't, no, I don't wanna take credit for that. That wasn't me.
That was somebody. I think that was somebody who's normally who came with the speaker, cause I know he kind of brought his own bossy.
Oh.
So I think it was one of those guys. Sorry, wasn't me.
Okay, well, okay, don't know who.
Huh.
I really like the speaker. I just think the material for me, it was it was all review and so I didn't really learn much but but the speaker is very engaging.
Okay. And. Not to keep you any longer, but I want to keep you a little bit longer.
With respect to December. Future. First to to lay the groundwork. Yes, I've been remiss, distracted.
And of course, just generally lazy. So I don't have anything hammered down yet for next Wednesday nor the following Thursday, the following week on Thursday, nor the following Thursday, the following week on Thursday.
I do have some. Feelers out. Scott Graneman and Robert Sitak.
Have both told me, a month and a half ago that they had presentations if they're ready to pull.
And do but both of those guys teach college-level classes and I know this semester it's definitely been conflicts with Robert for some of our meetings.
And, at times Scott's been hard to get a hold of. And I put a phone call into both of them today and I have not yet.
Steve replied. So I don't know if either of them are doing exams, grading. Still in December or I don't know if they'll be available this month or next month So I am looking for possible.
Options on who we should get to talk. A week from Well, 10 days from now, 9 days from now.
And then the following Thursday after that. So. Sean, if you have any great ideas, I'm all ears, our fingers.
Okay, so the only thing I've done lately that's any cool at all was I set up an a to server with ZFS on the root file system.
So. I could go over like how I did that and why I did that. But I'm not, I mean, it's not going to be spectacular.
It's only a few days. Prep but you know it would at least be something I guess.
Sounds kind of interesting. Yeah, I think that'd be a basin. Are you thinking that's L, tutorial enough for the base session for the only 2025 min or you think that's more like a 50 min plus presentation.
I don't know. I mean, I think there, I think, I think there's only 25 min if that of interesting stuff.
But I could stretch it for longer, but it would just, you know, just get less and less interesting the longer I tried to stretch it out so.
Alright, kind of like what you were saying that you already knew a lot of the stuff in And, I forget the gentleman's name.
Michael Lucas.
We did the TLS. But, thank you, Michael Lucas.
So you. If someone wasn't Very familiar with those situations. They potentially then have trouble following a 20 min version of it.
Yes, no.
Oh, interesting. Let me think.
Yeah, let's just. I don't know, like is it okay so here's the thing that so here's what I could do if I wanted to stretch it out, right?
So I could talk about like, you know, why did I start down this path? Well, I wanted to.
I wanted a NAS, a network attached storage device and I wanted, 3, 2, one backups with bitrock protection, right?
And I only have one device. So, so I could talk about like. What my requirements were and what I wanted to do.
Yeah.
And then why ZFS was a good fit for that. And then, and then how I decided to, you know, install it on the, on route, which means, and the only thing interesting there is that when you install ZFS on route, you don't use the amount to install.
You basically install a bunch as if it was arch kind of thing. But then what you gain is you gain like, bootable snapshots.
So like in the boot menu, you can like revert back to previous snapshots. So that way, like if an upgrade.
Goes poorly or something, you can revert back. And also you can do like, you know.
Zfs sending receive snapshots and stuff like that. So. So I could go through that kind of whole thing of like, this is what I wanted.
This is how ZFS on a bunch to let me achieve it. This is some additional benefits I got.
And then I could go through the setup process of how to basically kind of do a weird way of installing a bunch of where you can do ZFS on route.
I think adding the why and and what strange results you get really makes for a good presentation.
Yeah. I think that's gonna push past our. Idea of 11 or 20 min. Intro.
So yeah, I think you're good to go for I mean, you don't have to deliberately make filler, you know, to stretch it.
Bye.
But I think it actually easily go past a 20 min time limit. Yeah, I think it'd be good to put the whole picture out there, Sean.
Alrighty.
And I certainly have questions about that, so I. I keep you talking for a while.
Yeah.
There you go.
Yeah.
I didn't mean to put you on the spot and say, Sean, could you please do the talk?
But, you on the spot and say, Sean, could you please do the talk? But I mean you could have put somebody else on the hook for this since you were nice enough to offer that you might be able to do it.
I'm very happy and appreciative. So, so, okay, well, look towards you then doing the December the 13 Wednesday.
December. Thanks.
Okay, that sounds good. Or Is the thirteenth and 20 first, right? You need both of them.
Yes.
Cause I could do, I said before that I wanted to do a,
The shorter one on ASCII cinema, which is similar to the script thing that, Stan showed, but it's a little bit more modern of, of a thing.
Yeah.
So if you want, I could do the short one on the thirteenth and that'll give me more time to do the long one on the 20 first if you want that's totally That's if you can't find you know other if other people don't want to do it or you can't find anybody else that I could do, I could do that for a little bit extra.
Okay.
Hi.
Or if you want I could just do the long one on the thirteenth and not do the shorter one.
No.
Okay, yeah, if that sounds comfortable for you, then yeah, we'll do it that way and we'll We'll look for a something long to put on the thirteenth and it'll be a The second talk with you.
You know, something would be the.
Main presentation that day. Okay, cool.
Alrighty, I got to head off and put my daughter down, but yeah, I'll do the short one on the thirteenth and I'll do the long one on the 20 first and I'll send you those abstracts.
To steercom here in the next day or 2 or probably day. There so.
That'll be great. Thank you.
Fantastic enough. Oh, excellent. Sounds good. Up, Stan, Stan wanted to ask you something.
No, I don't.
Okay. Oh, okay. I think I'm getting, hinted just to make sure I understand.
We're talking about the short one. So you're thinking the ASCII cinema one is something that really is appropriate for the basic tutorial talk on the front edge.
In other words, it's only gonna run like 2025 min.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I think so. I just wanted, I just, it's basically very similar to the script thing that Stan showed except it's got some some, some nifty little things about it.
So, yeah, so I think, you know, standard a short one on script. This is a very similar thing.
So it should be about the same length or so.
Good. That's excellent idea. Thank you.
Okay.
Fantastic. Alright, okay. Thank you, sir. And the usual thing, when you get a break, a chance, send us an exact title and write up a little abstract and we'll get it out there.
Thanks.
Alrighty, talk to you later, right?
Okay.
Hi, Sean. Okay. Next up, we'll talk about the new, You sure it.
Oh, hold on 1 s. And I gotta say something to Gary. Well, or to the meeting.
Okay.
I'm in daily contact with Robert. So, if you need me to, nudge him to get back to you, I can.
Okay.
Yeah.
His, but basically his schedule. He's doing the latter part of the course is lab Right?
So it started in September and we're in December now, right? So. The lab work tends to be just him supervising as opposed to him creating content you know for the for the presentation.
So, he should be. Read up a little bit. I'm not, I don't wanna speak for him.
Hmm.
I'm just saying that. My impression is he might be able to do it. But I can nudge him if you want me to.
Yeah, good.
Hey. Oh, of course, of course. Yeah, Gary wants somebody to fill these slots.
Yeah, yeah, no, I will go ahead and, and I certainly understand because I understand, you know, when you get to mid December.
Either you're, Giving exams, grading exams, or going through the entire semester of grades and projects and term papers.
So it can be a really tough month for somebody who's, teaching a college local course.
So, So.
Yeah, it, his is more, interactive, I think. So it's, it's a less, you know, they don't really have exams.
Yeah. Okay.
Bye.
They have like class projects that they have to do. So, okay. I will do that. I'll after we get done here today.
Fantastic. Thank you, sir.
And back to you.
Unstable so bear with me. For the note the new Linux group meeting on the 20 eighth I prepared 2 new topic slides to encourage active participation.
You know, something I added to those billboards as I call them. And, so I, I advertise it as a beginner workshop call for help kind of thing.
And I set up a topic slide on using Ventoy. And a continuation of a remote support tools slide that I had talked about.
I think and either the previous month's meeting or maybe the previous. Swack meeting. I'm not sure which But the actual meeting announcements, including volunteers, Rebecca.
Debbin upgrade item. That talking about the our, upgrade, We need to do for Bach.
We had.
Hello?
And.
Dan? Stan. Stan, we can't hear you.
Yeah.
Boston. And he was talking about the truck.
Lawn, I'm gonna hit stand cell phone.
Oops. Hello. Hello. Yeah, okay.
Can you hear me now?
Oh, hey there, Stan. Hello. I can hear you now, yep.
Okay.
Anonymous coward crept out and somehow another that affected everything. Okay. Anyway, can you hear you can hear me now?
We had 4 novice attendees. It found us by the way of meet up. And we also had 3 or 4.
Relatively new returning attendees, people that had been to a previous a sponsored meeting, you know, whatever.
So I'm getting them to start come come back. A number of other users were during the meetings were randomly dropped dropped off and had to reconnect and possibly bandwidth issues with the public gissy server.
So I go through the public GitHub server in it. That thing is used by the entire world.
And no telling what kind of, hits they get on a particular night. Both my connection and anonymous coward sessions were each.
Disconnected at least one time. During the session. I had some help with Phil Bunch, had informative software demonstration from other participants, particularly Ron.
BC, the guy from British Columbia, Canada. Later review with recordings indicated sharing a prepared available slides would have been more informative.
In other words, I was talking too much and not showing the slides that I had prepared. So I need to remember to start showing those more during the presentation.
But I wanted to say that that was probably, well, it was the most well attended meeting I've had with the new lineage group.
Oh, oh no.
We can understand.
Staying.
Wow. Can you read the script?
Hey. Okay, we hear you now.
Okay, where are you? Okay, you can read the thing. I guess. So I found that I prepared these slides and I forgot to use them.
Okay.
I need to do that more. I need to use them more. Whatever anyhow this That's what I wanted to say about that meeting.
Okay.
You, you, right before you got cut off, you were saying that, what you got more attendees?
And I didn't understand from where.
Well, for me that, these are all, most all of them come in from meet up. But what I'm saying is through the returning people have been to One of our sponsored meetings, whether it's a new Linux or the Slug meeting.
Or they may have come to the slug and then to the steer, the, Linux group or whatever so they seem to be coming back.
Okay.
Relatively relatively relatively. I guess that's what I, yeah, let her. It's hard to say.
Yeah. Yeah.
And,
And Bill was. Since he's moving, Phyllis been a little bit less help than normal because he he's kind of getting burned out I think.
Yeah.
A little bit. I think. Anyway, that's all I got to say about that.
December As this meeting right here. Ed showed up. Thank you, Ed. Nice to have you aboard.
A swack meeting is next Thursday is coming up Thursday. Nothing much to say about that. So.
Okay.
Stan, you just went quiet again.
We're not hearing you, Sam.
Hello, you're back.
Hello? I've got it for some reason I've got a crappy connection tonight.
Yeah, things come up. How it even says I've got
Drop out and try to log in again.
Okay, which one of these 2 machines do I shut off?
Whichever one you're talking over
Okay. Oh. Okay.
And since your voice goes away, I would figure that was the machine with a problem.
That apparently not because if the other one goes away and comes back, then it seems to fix it.
Oh yeah.
I don't know.
It's just not enough bandwidth. I think, I think I need to See what the hell AT and T is doing with my connection.
This this last month or so has been really crap.
Okay.
You know, mine's, for a month or so I had a lot of trouble with my ATT connection.
Yeah
Now for reasons I do not understand it seems to be working okay again. If it starts doing this again, I guess I'm just gonna go for Starlink.
Yeah.
Is anybody here got Starlink?
No.
Not me. Okay. I'd like to point out for the, I will be out of town.
Next week, December thirteenth, I'll be in Florida. I'm not sure if I'll be able to attend attending remotely and I may or may not be able to record which simple screen recorder on an honest carrot.
I don't know. Never tried that before, but I will not be I might be able to be, you know, the attendant.
Watched the the meeting but I don't know whether I'll be able to record it with the simple screen recorder.
So we won't have a backup recording. But we shouldn't have any problem because as long as we remember to turn the thing on, Zoom seems to record.
Just fine. Only it doesn't track the attendance.
Comments?
Well.
Hello.
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, We appreciate it if you try remotely, but we understand if it doesn't work and yeah, we can.
Will depend on the Zoom recording. We have to.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
No, we're staying. You know, just call me. I can start up simple screen recorder takes about a minute or 2.
Well.
Stand you froze again
Yes, Deep, why don't you just go ahead and do it?
The yeah yeah just go ahead and use I suggest you use the the NKV very, you know, it gives you an option to do MP 3, MP 4, N KV, use the NKV because if it disconnects.
It seems like it doesn't kill your whole connection. Whereas if you do the MP 4, if it disc, if you get a blip.
Hmm.
It seems to kill your whole connection and stop recording totally. Whereas if you do the MKV You can convert it just by changing the suspects to MP 4 and it works fine.
It's just the MKV or whatever the hell that thing is. It's just a container.
It's got MP 4 inside of it. Seems to be, interesting.
Okay.
Alright.
Okay.
Well, what do we say that, Sean was going to do that?
Sean's gonna do the base.
And we're gonna try to notes Robert for the main if we can.
Yeah, John. I forget.
By the way, Anne, I did get a text response back from Robert. While this meeting was going on, so I.
I asked him if he might be available. So. Doesn't mean.
Oh good. Yeah, I'll still Yep.
Yeah. What Sean call that thing?
Nobody remembers.
Yeah. And, anime audience?
It was a boon to oh you mean the one for base right that's the No, it was.
Great.
Something. Oh god, no, I forgot.
I ask you, Mark. Something I ask you or simple ask you arter.
Yeah, some kind of ASCII thing. ECI cinema. That's it.
Yes.
Yeah.
Thank you, Lee. ASCII cinema.
Stan you're frozen again
Oh, there you go.
I hope you heard.
Yeah.
Stan, I'm just setting this thing up. Are you gonna M KV, Well, we'll try it.
I don't know what's going on.
I guess I'm frozen again.
No, we can hear you.
How you working okay?
Alright, well, and I don't know how to spell cinema. Whatever.
Okay. It starts with the letter C.
Yeah. Wow.
Yeah.
Well, it's none of those.
About CIA.
Right.
Hey, MA or EMA.
Yeah.
There it is.
Yeah, I'd never heard of it. So.
May either. But what the heck? Askey Siba
Okay.
Bale.
I'm hung again. Can you still hear me?
We can hear you.
Yeah, yeah, you're moving fine. You're not right now. You're not a problem
Okay, well, this, when I'm typing stuff is screwed up too. Anyway.
Record and share your terminal session.
Oh. Hey.
Hey, That's weird. A. Oh.
Lightweight text based approach to terminal recording.
Am I supposed to change that? Or not?
I would just, just looking it up.
Oh, okay. Oh, okay. 20 first. Maybe.
It's still available. I'll just leave it available.
Oh, you mean this December 20 first?
Okay.
Yep. Unless you want to do it next year. You volunteering for next year?
Is that the that's the Linux meeting? No, no, no, that was, Sean was gonna do the,
Yeah.
Yes, that's Sean. Gf, NAS. Open to ZFS.
Yeah, ZFS as root, the root file system.
Yeah.
I don't know how he's gonna send you the abstract, so. Yeah, all you got to do was make a note now.
Connection to to To bokish is Yes guess what?
The root file system. And use any NAS, network attached storage.
Too much for me.
Well, just do the first part.
Okay.
And then the Christmas day and I'm going to be doing the new lug of the day after
Lost against.
It's.
Okay, now, now I'm back. There. I'm gonna be doing the LU,
Oh boy.
On off, oh no, no, no.
Yeah, Gary, can you hear me still?
I can hear you, Steve.
Yes, Stan is just freezing up and going. I just recorded a little bit of this. I don't know, 30 s.
Yeah.
With simple screen recorder and it seemed to work just fine.
Cool.
Yeah.
Now the thing about the simple screen recorder. Steve. It will record everybody else's voice, but not yours.
If you ask a question or respond to something.
Oh, well.
Really? Maybe I ought to test that. I didn't test that.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
I wonder why. Well, wait a minute, my voice doesn't come back out of the speakers.
That's the problem.
Hangs together, Jesus.
That well, that's the little. Microphone camera combination I got. Whatever I say does not come out of the speakers it Splits it and.
You know, screen record is not, it's recording what comes over to screen and my voice isn't.
As soon as somebody else talks, it seems to just fine.
Okay.
Big question. When do we do the? New Year's the, Steercom for January.
Oh yeah, I knew there was a calendar conflict coming up.
January first is New Year's Day, right?
Right. On Monday.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yes. Monday is New Year's Day.
Yep.
How about the second?
That would work.
It works for me.
Yep.
Hi, are you? Hi.
Yeah.
So I would like the same time, but Tuesday, right? Tuesday, 7 PM. Whatever 6 PM.
Good.
I guess.
I still got people in from out of town. I'm just a little conflicted there.
I'll see.
Well, where would you like to have it?
Hmm.
Oh. January the eighth. I realize is a little late for organizing the meeting on January the tenth.
Gary, I keep telling you, if you do all this, every bit of this stuff, 3 months ahead, you wouldn't even have to be here.
Yeah, I know, I know.
You could just send an email and we put it in and do without you. Yeah.
Cool. Yep. Yep.
I will just shoot for the second of January.
Yeah.
Okay.
Which means you need to do all, you need to do all your work another week ahead of time.
Or at least do it.
Yes.
Do we need you? Are we up to do it any old business folks?
I dare say that Lee probably has got the best. Info on the server, admin stuff.
I know.
Anything we need to discuss about that, Lee? We tweak some settings on post fix and Mike's been working with, some of the other mailman settings.
It seems like we solve some of the problems. With Gmail as far as you upgrade.
No, I haven't done anything yet. Okay.
With respect to the upgrade of
Sorry for the pause, I'm looking for something specific here. Somebody was talking about doing a presentation.
On doing the upgrade. I'm trying to find it here in the planning schedule.
Stan, is they ring a bell with you?
Nothing rings the bell with me.
Say again.
Yeah.
On the presentation planning schedule report. I thought there was somebody who was possibly going to speak. Do a presentation on you know, what needed to be done in the, or in the, in the system upgrade.
And hopefully that would motivate some people to help work on the project.
John is suggested we do do something like a planning session.
Okay. Good.
Okay, have sworn it was here in the planning schedule and I can't find it now. Anyway,
But yeah, we all are in agreement that somebody has said that they might. Your presentation on that. So, okay.
Was a presentation or offered to assist?
No, that Not a not a presentation, but more of a, and a, Hey, troubleshooting, committee kind of.
Thing or we'll just get to
Gotcha. I found it. page 19 s line and I was looking for Sean under the who.
Shawn is under the wrangler. And it just says volunteers under the hoop.
Yeah, yeah. You do what?
In the title with planning transition, Debbie intended to yeah, 10 to 11. Okay, anyway, We're aware of it.
Just not ready to do it yet.
Okay, moving on.
10 number to be from 9 to 10 and or 11.
Okay.
And I had to go back and change all the billboards that I had because I was saying Gabby and 10 to 11 and give me the impression we were already sitting on 10 we're not setting on time we're setting on 9 we need to move to 10 or even to 11.
Okay I thought we were on 10 moving to 11 or 12.
Okay, maybe I screwed it up even further. I don't know
Hello.
We're on Buster, which is 10.
Oh, okay.
And.
That's right. Yep. 11 is bull's eye.
Bookworm.
Well, then check, I guess. Okay, and it's 12 it's we could go Oh yeah.
Okay, I got the numbers all screwed up.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I can see that they all start with BO. Or B, something.
Yeah. Yeah.
Good luck. What did Mike?
Hey guys, I'm gonna step away for a minute. I'll be right back.
Sure.
What did what did Mike Knight do with the email?
He adjusted, Dmark. He set up Denmark for male masks. And some of the.
Parameters that help with mail lists.
Some of the parameters that help with mail list.
Yeah, yeah Yeah.
You still understand? Or do we lose you? Okay. I have to give you one of those little beepers.
Or maybe an electric shock, right? You know?
Thank you. Yeah. No, no, no, we'll get one of those, that start sounding when you put a machine in reverse.
Bulldogs are in reverse.
T Boy, my connection really sucks tonight. Good grief. I've never had it this bad before.
Yeah, I get my internet through ATT and There for about a month it was just horrible
My history.
There's probably a tower down off there. Steve, are you that or they were redoing?
Yeah. I.
I don't know. One of the things that I don't know, Lee, and maybe you can help with this is Now does AT and T and Verizon have different towers or is there just one Big pile of towers out there and they all use them.
I don't know.
I think they share tires. I really I think I think they do I read somewhere they share the towers they just have everybody just brings in their equipment, you know.
Shepherdly.
I think sometimes the tower is even tower itself. Is actually owned by a third party company. And they just rent space to whichever phone company wants to hang.
Electronics on it. Yeah, and in fact I met a guy 30 years ago. That was involved in the first cellular rollout.
He started company called Tower Construction. He was putting up towers all over the country. Oh wow.
Yeah.
And, tell stories about doing it down in New Orleans. They lost 3 cat D. 9 building roads through the swamp.
Don't fly!
Holy crap.
Yeah.
No kidding! And the thing is I have this cereal feeling when you say they lost they really mean they lost in this sinkhole or whatever.
I don't know boss, we parked in here last night. They were pushing road to the swamps and they and they got too far ahead of their stability.
Name was Rick Standell. Real character.
I mean, last month I'd put the, Iframes in for the, presentation archives on all of the web pages, you know, through the So if you look at, Slack meeting or the new Linux meeting or or the, St.
Louis Linux user agreement meeting or the Unix, they all have presentation archive page on them.
No. But I brought that up last month, so I don't know what the hell I did this.
Future presentations.
This month
24 core, 48 gigs. Kubernetes array.
Oh, I know.
Where we're getting put of the other. Cool. Right now I'm not complaining. I'm still full on the CDI stuff.
That's my laptop. It's on the VPN out there. Every time I try to RDP it so I can put it up on a local session.
It kills the VPN. It used to work now, it doesn't.
I added a presentation archive.
Yeah, some child rewrote the software and didn't bother to test everything.
No, that never happens.
Alright.
Yeah.
I'm convinced that nobody ever tests software anymore.
Oh yes.
You ever heard of garbage in garbage out? Okay, I can I can only push out the data they give me.
But when the date is bad or the day it changes. I'm not complaining.
Anything to say about Meet Up, Gary?
It sucks.
Oh, well. Well, can't suck too bad because this year I can actually think of people that we've gotten.
Yeah.
Through meet up. Just gonna say.
Hello.
But I'm still getting maybe 2 or 3 out of 10 that sign up. To even show at any one of our meetings.
Alright. I mean, it's ridiculous and that, yeah, we're showing there's
I don't know, 800 people who are members of the meetup group. And we've seen that maybe 10 on the meetings.
Well. But.
Yeah. Well, I, last month I went and deleted a hundred of the people that never shown up.
Keep doing it.
To keep it down below 1,000.
What else?
What happens at a thousand? Do you like blow up or something?
The price increases.
That's what I thought.
Our internet presence on other social media.
I really, really, really wish it was better. Oh, I have this gut level feeling. That.
Good. I'm an old fart. And so I mean, now that Sean has left the meeting, I think our average age just took a jump by a decade or so.
But 2 decades, okay. And. Yeah, is you right by left not on Social Security Medicare?
That's not, yeah. Yeah.
Nobody around here.
But yeah, I mean, Well, I've never been in touch with any of the humans on this planet.
Yeah.
I am just visiting and I'm waiting for the mothership to come pick me up. But the intergenerational differences I truly don't understand.
Well, if it's a puddle jumper, I want to see it. I mean, I remember when, you know, we made the transition from a a paper newsletter that we sent out once a month by US mail and, and then we came with this neat idea of having a a mailing list or a discuss email group.
And And, and I guess I have to admit, you know, I know damn well. That the rest of the world, ie anybody younger than those of us here tonight, They live on social media.
They get their news from it. They live their life on it. And, but I just don't get it.
And I'm just afraid for our group. I don't know how we're going to track new people thrush blood.
Into this group.
Well, even Shauna says he doesn't like email.
So I don't know whether
I guess we just get everybody's phone number and start sending everybody texts.
Okay.
Okay, but I don't, you know. Do. Is Sean the outlier? Is he the only guy his age?
Who goes to meetings on Zoom that are scheduled once a month or a couple times a month? Or is that just Passe?
And does that generation just not believe in getting together?
I don't know.
Yeah.
Well, they do everything online or on their phone. Hello, my daughter-in-law hasn't looked at a Computer screen probably for years.
Yeah.
She might at work, you know, I mean. Some of her instruments are probably connected to desktop computers, but
I mean, last time I was on a plane, the gal sitting next to me, she was, she was doing up on an Apple computer hooked to to Google.
Hmm.
Or either Google or whatever the hell that MK. Microsoft 3 65 stuff. And she had underneath her or Apple machine she had had a down tablet she was watching a movie while she was doing it and then next to her husband was reading a book on his cell phone.
Whatever. That's the last time I was.
Yeah, I think it was a lot of cell phone stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. That was the last time I was on a plane. You know?
I think we ought to have a presence on a mastodon. There's a lot of groups on master.
I've joined this, Twit TV club thing and it uses, not NASA on it uses.
Discord.
Discord and I do think Mastodon would be better than Discord. But, yet it's another one pretty much the same kind of thing as yet another damn rabbit hole.
I don't wanna go down because I get on there and it's like, hell, it's like looking at Wikipedia.
Next thing you know, things are, you know.
And on this. It's a lot of bright and shiny distracting objects.
No.
Oh, me about it.
Yeah.
Amen to them. I'm, I'm gonna just, somebody really wants to keep pounding on this.
I think I'll sum it up right now just saying that boy it would sure be nice if we could find One or 2 transition people.
Of an age where they both kind of See some value in in the meetings the way they exist. And what they benefit the younger generations may get out of it.
Okay.
And some find a way of getting those younger generations involved. But, I think that sums up where we're sitting.
I just don't see. Good night, they were going to come up with any answers. But.
Well, you know, even, Connor. Conway, James, Connor, Conway, whatever it the hell his name is?
Huh.
Hey. He's he
He's kind of sort of Set a thing up or somebody set us up with a at slug.
Dot com. And. But, you know.
It's not he's not really pushing it
I probably think we're too old.
Yeah. Well, he comes, he comes to a lot of the meetings.
Yeah. Not old people in Macedon.
Whatever. Yeah, well. I don't, I'm gonna
I'd say I think a master done ended up being a Twitter refugee type of thing.
Yeah.
A lot of people got on Twitter early and early days where it was fun. You could have a little, communities.
Yeah.
And things like that. Get your followers, the people you followed and things like that, right?
And then. And then, you know, things went to hell over there. So a lot of people.
Immigrated from Twitter and Some of them not all of them right decided that regroup under some.
Service that they liked.
Yeah. Anything to say about the announced mailing list, otherwise I'm gonna skip.
Anything you say about the hybrid meetings, otherwise I'm gonna skip.
It's good.
Hey, the camera microphones projectors. I'm gonna skip. Just think about the change base in main structure.
We decided last time. It's no longer relevant or whatever. We're gonna go to delete.
Yep.
Wait, wait, I did understand that one because I read it on the agenda and I didn't understand what it was about.
What you just said.
Huh.
What? The base in main structure. What we had to do what we did we noticed that the bases were getting too long
So basically now when we schedule a base, I try and make an effort to make sure that whoever is going to do it.
Understands that we're looking for 20 min of of talk and slides. And that may generate another 5 to 10 min of Q&A.
And then we're gonna move on to something else. You know, it's like, let's not.
Be planning for 30, 35, 40 min of base tutorial. It just makes the evening too long.
Yeah, we have we've had a robbers set that do something the damn things stretched out for almost, 80 min.
Good.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I've done it too, so I'm as guilty as everybody. There. Which bothers me because if I if I do the January one.
I don't know if that should be base or man.
Got it. That's now what I saw. But a week ago, Zella Hammond on Mayorkas telling, Border Patrol to make.
What was that?
What to hell?
Alright, I think that's what This point is trying to say, and we got to take an educated guess.
Real fun. If there's more than 20 min. No more than 25 of material. It shouldn't be being put in the, in the base tutorial time slot.
Okay.
It needs to be put in the main time slot. Okay.
Yeah. And, And, Should we go ahead and delete this next month? This section.
Okay.
Yeah. I think we all. All are on board. That's
Okay, any questions about the attendance database?
Yeah.
Handouts, no time.
Linux deckers, no time.
Organizational papers, you still know where they are, Gary?
No time.
Sponsorships.
The usual sub suspects a big thanks to some company called Omniac for keeping our servers running.
Yes, thank you, Lee. We need help. No further comment, new business is any new business.
None.
You would.
You know, I'm gonna jump back that we need help and, Yeah, just so you guys know what I mean, if you notice Robert Lovell did make a posting over the weekend.
Yeah
Obviously, we don't have any particular topics that. No, you could talk about so he just did the Gotting paste of the generic, you know.
Well, it's a wrong damn week to do it.
Exactly, exactly. I really appreciate that Robert at least is taking the heart that I've been nudging him and pushing him about, hey Robert, you can send these things out without me telling you, you know, Robert, tonight.
Send out a thing, you know, so he's getting the idea. Halfway, yeah.
So, but anyway, yes.
Hey, Attention unfortunately attention to detail is not his strong point.
Well, yeah. That's true.
Yeah, at least he's doing something. He's willing. That's the important thing.
Or half of the important.
Oh, I'm unfortunately I'm old and cranky and I get annoyed with people like that.
Yeah.
Hmm.
But, you know, it's not like anybody works for me. What the hell? Yeah. And I'm not a good person anymore.
So we still don't have anything lined up for this month, right? Or the main meeting.
Oh, well, yeah, where I mean next week. Correct. We still need a main for next week.
Hold on, let me double check and see if Robert has responded on text message.
No, Robert has not.
Responded again on text message now that I told him. They're asking if he was interested Wednesday. So yeah, anybody has any ideas?
Be good to come up with one soon. I'll jostle. Rob, well, Ed, if you could jostle Robert, I'll jostle Scott again tomorrow.
See if I can get a response from you. And,
I'll see who else.
We'll do. But it just, only, I don't know, did you guys ever have a thing on chat GPT.
On any.
Under what?
Yes, basically Scott Graham and did the presentation on, think it was under the title of artificial intelligence but it basically was covering chat
You get back in November
Oh, okay. Robert and I were banding it back and forth and, from a, from a software development perspective.
And I gave it, I gave it a task. And it came back and I greeted it at a C or C minus.
So I would not put it in production.
Okay, I'd say actually versus next section after all business. Is anything else we need to deal with?
New business or whatever.
I'll go back to the October comments there, recognition of Phil Bunch. From what you can stand or said.
He may only be with us for another month before he leaves town. Yeah, so still be Joining us remotely, we hope.
But, I mean, Phil has just been such a contributor over the years. That I really would like to.
Make a little to do about him before he leaves. Make sure he knows that. Even if he leaves town, we won't let him get away.
Yeah
Yeah. Yeah.
And for those of us who are here in town. If, trying to stay away from people even though I'm sure the the infection rates will be going up here with the holidays.
I think it would really be nice if we could get together. Making a line, is there some place for lunch or dinner or something.
Okay.
Get the gang together at least having an anchovy attack here
Yeah, yeah
And that's one of the main things I miss about.
Yeah. And we went there about 2 or 3 months ago. Going strong except, is in there. I'm not sure if she was part of the owner family or they sold it or she just left because I didn't see you there but I was here at the gym.
Yeah, she goes to the club fitness here at 3 4. Okay.
Speaking of Nick and Elena's. When. Craig was actually in St.
Louis. Last month for the last month. Strangely month before for Strangeloop in September and so it wouldn't that I was discussing that with him, he pointed out the first thing he did when he got into town.
Was, you know, from, away from the airport, he stopped at nickname.
Yeah. Yeah, by the way, did he give a presentation at Strangel?
Or just attended.
If he, I just know that he attendant. He did not say that he gave a presentation.
Oh, okay. Because I've been, they, like every time one comes up. It shows up in my feet, right?
Good.
And I've been watching it and I haven't seen him yet. So although it's kinda funny, like one time I was watching it, this wasn't this year, but in a year's past or whatever and I heard, you know, they the Q&A section and I said I know that voice.
No! The strange loop, okay.
I have yet to get a a decent answer response to my question. So. I saw it stated posted.
That this was the final strange loop. Yes, it was. And so my question is, okay, why?
Because they got tired of doing it and they've done everything. Okay, Okay.
This this particular year they combined it with the papers we love so who's it? So I don't know if papers we love is gonna continue on.
Yeah. He, Craig is not listed on the speaker speaker's gallery for Strangely this year, so.
Okay.
Yeah, proud of the boy. Hey, he kind of like, you know, rose to meteoric stardom.
From our humble beginnings.
Yeah. Yeah. Now, he's a beach bomb in San Francisco.
Good for him.
Yeah, really. Although I'd wanna be a beach phone where you can actually enjoy the water. Gotcha, Cisco, you gotta wear a 5 mill wet suit.
Oh yeah, God. If not, if not 70 yeah. Well, one time I was down in San Diego.
And it was, Hey, or something. And I stepped in the water and was like.
It's cold! The locals are laughing at me. They say, yeah, this looks nice, but damn, nobody would get in the water until August, man.
There isn't Yes.
Well, even then, you just got to wear a wetsuit. Unless the sun's beaten down, temperature is a hundred degrees.
And that's in San Diego in San Francisco.
Yeah, this is crap about how wonderful California is. It's all a bunch of height made up in Hollywood.
Anyway, moving on.
There was there was a news media on Fox News which I thought was kind of interesting. The, there was a talk about how.
Huh.
People in California were emigrating from California to Texas, right? And this just happened today. There was a the United States Department of Census or whatever the LA is.
The Census Bureau, right? They put out some, data. And it said that it was all there was a lot of people immigrating from Texas to California.
Yeah.
But it did, but it did not reach the level of the people immigrating from California to Texas. So the question was, Are they just like, you know, a job hunting or job?
Shopping or something like nobody knew, right? Why they were
Well, it, well, everything, the thing you're, that equation doesn't include is hundreds of thousands of people that emigrated from California to Colorado and turn it into California.
Right, right.
It did. They changed California from a red state to a blue state in 10 years.
Yep.
Yeah. Oh, my, my family up in Montana, bitching and moaning about all the damn people coming in from California.
Yeah, Montana, Idaho.
My brother lived he lived in Wyoming that same damn thing happened there. He lived up in Jacksonville, Wyoming and all these damn people from California moved in.
And drove the social services so and taxes so damn high that the locals couldn't afford to live there anymore.
Yeah.
So then later on he can move back to Missouri then from Missouri he moved back he went up to Montana the Colis Bell and over a period of 10 years or something, same damn thing has happened there.
You know, they got hell they got off the borders they got signs that say people move in California Don't screw this state up too!
Yeah.
Okay. Hey, they should just put a sign saying keep on driving Yeah.
Yeah, that's what they ought to do.
There you go.
No, that well, yeah, keep on driving. Go to Illinois. Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, you can't screw anything up there.
Yeah, it's alright. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody was telling me that, They change the the amount of what the constitutes a colony.
You know, you have to, you have to be, it's $1,000 to be a felony in, Illinois.
Yeah, there. Yeah.
So they got peep, they got people going into quick shops, just stealing stuff in plain sight and then walking away.
Cause it's no longer a felony.
Yeah.
Illinois, Morgan. Yeah, Chicago, Portland. New York, a lot of the major towns just, you know, they they don't have enough prosecutors to prosecute people.
Yeah, yeah.
And so they gave up. And they said, you know, hey, well, look, look at St.
Louis. I can be doing 10 over a speed limit on I was 64 and get passed like I'm standing still somebody doing 85 miles an hour.
Yeah
You know, they don't bother to stop.
No. Well, Gary was it you said one time that they said on TV that they don't bother with the the parking tickets or something.
I forget what it was.
Hmm, I don't know.
Parking meters maybe.
Hey, Gary Crows. Okay.
So.
I don't remember, Stan. Oh, but parking meters they go after with a vengeance because all they have to do is write the ticket with your tag number.
Yeah. There's something.
Okay.
But that's just a scam. I mean, the one time I was downtown. I walk up to my car and it's a zone where you know you can't park after 4 pm because it's it's rush hour.
So anyway, I look at my watch and it's 3 20. The guy wrote me a ticket for being part there at 4 10.
And I'm like, this is obviously false. I just happen to be a block away from the marking violation bureau.
So I walked over there and walked up to the counter and said, this is falsified. You know, it's information is obviously wrong.
You know, it's saying that it's been issued in the future. And the person behind the counter just you know half smiles like I can do about it want to pay it you know you're holding court you know just down the hallway so I walk down the hallway so I walk down the hallway so I'm just down the hallway so I walk down the hallway. So I walk down the hallway, stop at the first courtroom.
It's only a couple people sitting in there and sounds like they're finishing up. I sat in the front row right in front of the judge.
Wait till they finish with that case and when he finished with the case he looks around the room everybody's leaving except me I'm staring at the judge and he goes Sure, do you have some business in this court?
I'm like, funny you should ask your honor. I have a case of falsified evidence that I would like to know how to present the courts here.
What ended up happening?
What do you say?
He just looked at me like you got to be kidding. He was like, okay, fine. Okay, we'll set it for set it for a trial day mr.
Clerk you know they did so how did you prove that you walked in in the past? Well, that was it.
Set it for a trial day, Mr. Clerk, you know, and they did. So how did you prove that you walked in in the past?
Well, that was it. You know, they said it for a trial day, Mr. Clerk, you know, and they did.
Yeah.
Sell all that in front of the judge in answer to his question. It has to be admissible as evidence that at least this was stated in front of a judge.
Yeah.
I have to call the damn judge the court. But anyway, I have everybody. I had everybody.
So what happened? It was a Just a personal time trial, you know, it's like, great.
That means I had to go to the next hearing. Which would be a preliminary hearing where I would have to say this is what I'm accusing them of. Yeah.
And then they would schedule a trial. Date at some future time where so you decide to pay the 5 bucks?
Yeah.
Oh
I went and saw our buddy Rich McLennan and said, and he's like, I guarantee you, nobody has time to pursue this.
Okay.
And he's like, oh, I'd love to. And this would be so fucking hilarious, but it's like, I guarantee you, Gary, nobody has time to pursue this.
Well, you could. You know, but like you say, you have to have Elon Musk level of money to even do that.
Oh yeah.
Right. As the old adage, you, you can't fight. City Hall, right? But it was funny because the way you you talked about it reminded me of this adventure that that we all had at Moselug a long time ago.
Huh. Yeah.
With the with the EPC right this was a robert cytech thing right and he He tried to, he purposely bought this cheap ass.
Computer, right? Because it, you know, came with Microsoft Windows and he wanted to get the refund, right?
Yeah, he tried like hell to get that damn re put right and and in the end he had to give up there was just no fighting it
You know, the company that made EPC, said it wasn't their problem. And Microsoft said it was Epc's problem.
And what exactly was the problem with?
He was promised the rebate.
Well, the back back in those days, you know, according to I think Microsoft had to write it.
Yeah.
You know, as part of the, you know, the, you, you, you know, the end user license, right, that if you, that if this was not fit for your person, you could, you could claim a refund.
And get your, the money you paid. For the Microsoft Windows license, you could get that back.
Oh, okay, okay.
Right? Right. And there was like, instructions on how to do it and all that kind of stuff, right?
So he went purposely bought the cheapest possible PC that you could buy at the time, right?
And which was this EPC that he got from. One of the, this is before Micro Center, but like maybe the the place out there in West County.
I forget the name of it anyway.
Right, right.
Well, you mean EPC where they recycle off these computers. Okay, well, the reason that's weird is for 10 years when I want a computer I call Tony's a hey Tony give me for him without Microsoft licenses He knocks a hundred bucks off the price for each one.
Yeah, right. So anyway, yeah, he but he he wanted to go through official channels right and just see how it would work.
It's just that it failed. So he tells the story better than I do, but I just, you know, and Gary reminded me of that.
Hey, guys, is this meeting over or did we get all the way through it?
Oh yeah, what's the last thing on that list there occurring requirements what's coming up next month scroll down please where we were December, December and January, okay, so December.
Okay. Stan's looking for $5 for anybody. He doesn't wanna be, cut his precious.
200 well, you know, if you give him the $20 bill, he'll rebate you the $15 difference.
You just set to fill out form 76 dash 2.
You get your $15 back from the rebate, okay? Oh.
Yeah. Okay. Linux.org domain, automatic renewal in January post office renewal.
We handles that. It's automatic 6 months on the credit card. And January another bribe to stand wouldn't hurt your chances in the election.
Alrighty. Anything we missed?
No, Useful efforts.
Move adjourn. Oh, useful effort, sorry. Johnathan found us some good presenters.
Yeah, that was, yeah, yeah, he got us a good he last month. And, came to us with great presentations on short notice.
Yeah. Hmm.
Can it? Yeah, the one on. Shit, what was it?
Last last month.
So, and when, the, when, when, when the Microsoft guy bail, don't you remember?
Problem, Okay. Yes, yes, yes. That was in November one. Yeah.
Oh, damn, yeah. Okay, thank you, Ken. Sure. Bye, brains getting addled.
Okay. Follow up an action that's controlled. I gotta go through it. I know.
Okay.
I have a proposal for, an upcoming meeting.
Thank you.
Oh, okay.
Well this, this is starting to get hot. Have you guys heard of GQL?
Gulf Shearer, Lima.
You know, like SQL, the G QL, golf. Go back, Elena. What?
No.
It is a it's a. It's basically for, okay, so like if you go to GitHub.
Right? You, you can use their API or just their web. Form like. Search for things, right?
Like for example, you can say. How many developers or like what are the names of the top developers on this project, right?
Or, or contributors project or you can say like, what, companies did these developers work for between month and and month m or something, right?
Okay.
So, all these like, you know, sort of query parameters that you could do, right? Gql is that same thing.
But for your own project. So for example, like if you have a get repo on your system.
You, you can run. sequel like statements like select name. From, you know, whatever refo.
Where, you know, commit date is between this and now or so, right? It's like, you know, you could just put select statements.
Or even update and delete statements.
So, you know, I thought it was kind of interesting from a, you know, especially if you have a large project because you might have a lot of contributors.
Good.
Makes no sense to me. What you just said.
Okay, well, if nobody's interested, that's fine.
Don't understand. I see I remove we adjourn the meeting.
I
Okay, okay. Second, book in. Okay. Book is this is the steering committee meeting for December.
It is Monday December the fourth, 2023. And we almost got our act together and planned stuff for this month.
Hopefully it'll all come