Goodness?
I guess you want to record.
Now shoot.
Okay, this is Wednesday, January the third. It's the tenth day of Christmas in 2,024.
And we are here for the steering committee meeting which has been moved its usual date because of the holidays.
So, okay. See what we got.
Stan, can you bump that font size a little bit? Oh, okay.
No, of course I can. Give me about 2 and a half seconds, you know, I just, I can only do 6 things in a row.
Okay.
Okay, nice. I can remember what the button was. How about like that?
And over.
Okay.
Yeah.
And see who. Oh, there it is. Screen share.
Oh.
Oh gosh.
Alright.
Mr. Noepad? You're welcome. Yeah.
John's here, right? No, okay, good.
Yeah, yeah. Thanks for coming, Sean.
Yeah.
Is. I had post on Steercom this afternoon to have a quick discussion about the Bach upgrade here.
Shawn, thanks for stopping in. And I don't see anybody else new around here, so.
Yeah, I can do. I can either one of those jobs that you mentioned to be fine with me.
I do have to bounce out of like 7 15 though, so if you see me disappear it's gonna gotta go put my daughter in bed.
I might be back one after but probably not.
Yeah.
I hope I hope we're not going to be going much longer than that. Yeah, it's like trying to get this done tonight.
So. Make it a short one. Anyway,
Yeah. I'll be doing the recording tonight on the agenda and so forth. And At sometime I kinda like.
Shawn, you had offered in a pass that start doing it. Maybe if you You wanna keep going with this, you might.
Consider doing that. But it's a lot of work. Everything here is a lot of work.
Yeah, I could type it out if you want me to. I have no problem seeing it tonight or any other night.
Just let me know.
Okay, well I'll keep going tonight.
Anyway.
Okay.
Treasury report that's there's no change there. Oh.
I think it has put in I tried a couple times and Stan was in there. I will. Although we do have A surprise I went to.
I have PayPal sent me an email. Last year was last week. That there was a sale.
Oh.
She's, donated 200 bucks. Oh, and I went to our log on to Pete.
He did the same paype. I did the same thing last year. Oh my gosh, yeah.
Steve Gomez.
Who did that? Hey, Gomer. Yeah, wow.
Who is that, Lee? Okay. I don't think I've ever met him.
He's been to, meetings face to face meetings in the past, but then long while.
Yeah.
And he was out of town for the longest time.
Yeah.
But I believe I have been seeing him show up at, like the Microsoft tech center. Came to the to the Red Hat meeting down there.
Yeah.
Anyway, I got some numbers in there for the. Well, the calendar stuff.
I think I mentioned back in September, October they Google did some kind of change and made it difficult to count to them things.
And, The numbers went down quite a bit and I wasn't real sure what it was.
But anyway, I went back and I'd missed doing November and December and hadn't done this, I hadn't put in the last month.
I hadn't put November in, but I went back and did November and December and those numbers really bumped up and they're all.
Dates that are. Have a big, you know, time. And the the all day events which you're like the historical events and the and the things up at the top that whatever And as I've mentioned before, it, you know, whatever it is, it really reflects the effort we put into maintaining that calendar.
Regardless of whether it's something it says that this is a meeting that, you know, we got an X in front of it that means that we don't know what their situation is right now or they quit meeting or whatever.
Huh.
Any so whatever those numbers do, there's stuff that's been done in there. And I think that both Gary and I have been adding over starting in late October, November or whatever, we started putting in.
The remote, lug meetings if we found out about things like that. So. I think some of that stuff is showing there.
Or, you know, I don't know. But it's you know, it's just those numbers bumped up, they mean something.
Hello.
Yeah.
Yeah, just eyeball up there if you stop scrolling for a second. I mean, it's one of those things that just kind of catches the eye.
You can look at the last line, 2023 line. And all of a sudden you're up in 300 numbers for a whole lot of those.
We had never been a 300. And when you look back 2 years before that We were just 170, yeah, so.
Yeah, amazing during the pandemic. We've actually increased our calendar.
You know, and it's a selling point for our group. A lot of people really like it, you know, when they come to it or whatever.
They They promote it. They say, look at this, you know, and. And it's really nice to, you know, and I split up the category so that the remote things are in a separate category.
And kind of and that the St. Louis local stuff isn't yet yet another local thing. And then of course we got the red.
It's just our sponsored meetings. So it says those 3 categories. And they're kind of rough.
Whatever that makes it kind of nice, I guess And, and it's whatever. It's just, just a call by whoever puts it in, which category, fall under.
Though I need any particular comments, anybody'd like to say about those numbers?
This was all Stan's idea, so blamestand, I mean, thank you, Stan. You came up with a great idea when you started putting this calendar together.
Really?
Yeah. And. The thing that was is the Google calendar is actually the best calendar that. That I've run across.
I mean I've tried a dozens of them. And as far as the ability to maintain it and move stuff around and everything, it really really nice and they haven't screwed it up like Meeting up.
Dot com is screwing up their stuff all the time. You know, every once in a while they mess something up.
Now they did make this change to the account but I figured it out. And maybe if I go back and do those.
September October numbers they might be higher. I don't know but I haven't. That'd be another 20 min out of my life.
I'd never get back. So whatever.
Okay, let's move on.
Here's the subscriber reports. And there's the numbers. This significant thing is that we essentially added About 4 people to assist admin list and I think that's people that are interested interested in the.
The progression to the upgrading of Bach. Yeah, from Debian or whatever. And, plus, the other the steercom, you know, continually goes up and down.
I think 2 or down, whatever. And I never try to remember the names that are on there because we've got people on there that Why they're still on there?
I don't know. I mean, Christine Want is still on there and, we got a couple of other people on there that, never come that any, in, you know, Jerry Studies still on there.
And, let's see who, one of our pass presidents, I can't think of his name right now, and mine, just went blank.
He's on there and You know, haven't seen him in 4 years. You know, we did a presentation out at St.
Charles Lug and that was the last I ever saw. And I keep bugging Gary now and then to call him and now he hasn't done it because I've been bugging Gary about the Pixies there and phone up and he hadn't done that either.
Anyway. And of course, the meet up numbers keep going up. About 50, you know, just about 50.
Every month or so. 2530, whatever. And it's time again for me to go in there and purge some of those old names because a lot of those are bogus I think.
Whatever because we'll have 15 or 20 this last month we've had 15 or 20 people sign up say and even say that they're gonna come to a meeting and they never show.
Yeah, maybe it's just the way I set it up is maybe it's too complicated for me.
So it's an IQ test. Yeah, I don't know. Whatever. We want those people if they're not smart enough to figure out how to get here.
I don't know.
Hello.
I've done that before where like. I'm thinking I wanna go to a meet outside, so I sign up for a few and then the time comes to actually join the call and I'm like
Yeah. You're mine.
Never mind. I'm sure there's a lot of people doing that on meet up all the time.
So I'm really not surprised that. That
Yeah, I'd rather have a beer and watch TV. Okay.
Yes.
Whatever. I don't watch TV, so whatever. Any comments about those numbers? I mean.
Yeah, discuss and announce numbers are just about. Steady. And. Whatever.
Okay.
Yeah.
Hey, Stan. See that line? Oh, stop. Good man, used to generate these as root on bud.
Yeah.
Now. Go down. It's not user local.
Well, no wonder it don't work.
Okay. I just wanted to get that in your notes in case you ever wanted to use it for real.
Yeah, I tried it. It didn't work, so I never went any further with it. Okay.
Oh God.
And right now there's 205 on discussed.
One
Go 5 on us guys. 23 on steercom.
Oh, that's today. I try to do those numbers at the very end of the month. Right.
Yeah.
So they go up and down. I mean, If somebody doesn't. Doesn't.
Deal with the
I don't know how it all works, but oh, if mail bounces for an address.
After about 12 bounces the system remove them.
I remember correctly. No, there's always up and down on that.
Okay.
Oh.
Okay. And attendance report. Okay. There's a numbers there for December.
I'd like to point out that for the new Linux we had 13 people that you know Yeah, and that was the day after Christmas.
I was surprised we had that many people show up on the day after Christmas. But There were some comments that some.
Couple of guys thought it was a good idea.
And the idea was in my mind was that Hey, people already had the New Year's and Christmas Day, the family stuff was out of the way.
The day after Christmas was I'm bored. What am I gonna do? You know, as my wife used to say, don't you have a meeting to go to?
Okay.
Yeah. Yes, dear. Take it, yeah. Anyhow.
Yeah, so. We had pretty good, pretty good month. And actually November was the largest meeting.
And then I'd had. Ever. At the new Linux group. It was really interesting.
You know, we had about But 4 new people show up and about 3 or 4 others. Had come back from previous meetings.
They've been to 2 or 3 other sponsored meetings. That was very, very nice. Of course.
You say, did you say December?
Oh, okay.
No, I said November. With the largest one I'd ever had. He's a number 18.
Okay.
Yeah, that's why I misunderstood what you verbalized because I look at a chart I'm going to always to send over.
Okay, well, and the 13 was the day after Christmas. That's I mentioned that was really good.
But I wanted to say again, I mentioned last month that 18 was a large number for the And I, and I didn't expect the 13 or the day after Christmas, but that was kind of pleasant.
However, the whole meeting I could not get sound to work at all through, Whatever. I did. 47 different things.
Finally, one of the guys suggested I just dial in on on my cell phone and I did that. About the last one quarter of a meeting and by then most of Most of the new people had left.
No, whatever. So they had missed out on all the brilliant things I had to say.
And. I kind of wish, Gary, I kind of wish you'd show up with some of these new log meetings or the slack.
Tomorrow the Slack meeting, same kind of thing. A lot of people from the New Linux meetings tend to show up after Slack meaning because it's free format and they can continue the process.
Yeah.
And if there's no specific hardware or software configuration problems. Just kinda rattle on. Anyhow.
And I really appreciate Sean when you show up. I really appreciate that because you You often throw in some, technical, advice and and experience that makes a difference and really it's good for.
Have somebody besides me. I'm just, I don't have the edge anymore. And I'd like to point out that Phil ran that meeting.
20, you know, the new log meeting. It. And did a very good job of it.
He kept it going and. Primarily because I couldn't say a damn thing.
Hi, I spent the whole meeting connecting and disconnecting and and trying options and I just don't know.
What I had done wrong this time. And as I've said in the past, I knew 9 ways to mess up sound.
Yeah, that's a new one.
I think I've. Yeah. I know I've added another 2 and when I was in Florida, I, one of the ways to mess up your sound is run run run your earboat, your microphone through the laundry.
That'll do it.
That'll mess it up. Okay, that'll do that. And there was something else I can't think offhand exactly what it was, but.
I think it's a possibility that somehow another I've got my laptop, I got an HDMI connection from it to a larger 27 inch, screen.
And I think maybe. This has something to do with that because HDMI passes sound. So somehow another the sound got boogered up and HDMI wouldn't let go of it.
And it was pumped that over to the the HDMI connection and there's no speakers on that.
That monitor. No, I don't.
The application you're using to pick the sound. Output. So when you're if you're using VLC, if you're using video player, you have to go to audio and pick the output.
Yeah.
Isn't is not a way to do that. It's a
I, I, yeah, yeah, there's TPA, UV, volume control and there's, there's a standard volume control.
And it's 2 different things. And I've been Juggling those for the last 2, 3 years.
Yeah.
Yeah, I found that that's the You know, I say that, you know. Plus the fact that I've got I've always with with the jitschy sessions I've got the, anonymous coward going because I do that to record.
Because then on that I can do the display of the attendees names because I'm tracking the attendance.
You know and
Yeah. Oh, by the way, Stan, list members is in the path for root on.
You don't need a path.
I mean that command you was showing earlier. Oh.
Yeah, you don't get a path. You can just do list members their list.
Okay. Yeah, okay. Anyway, Yeah, hi Dave, Dave Poris is Joan.
Just.
Hi Dave.
Hey, Dave. Hey, Dan.
Let's see here. Okay, that's. Any comments about the being count for the attendance?
Anything you'd like to record there?
Looking good.
Yeah.
Hmm.
And since Sean turns into a pumpkin in about 15 min, can I suggest we jump to the Bach discussion?
I think that's a good idea. Okay, let's jump through the agenda here and let's jump up to talking about the upgrading.
Is there an entry in here that's appropriate?
Not yet. It was something I emailed out this afternoon.
Oh, so that'll be under new business.
Yeah. Okay.
We've been talking about it for about a month and One of the There's an email today on S.
You know what's happening. So I decided about time we can make something happen. So my idea at this point is.
To start organizing what we want to do. Mike has made some good comments about Mailman.
We've seen some other things flash by on And, right now my idea is to appoint 2 different people.
One of them is somebody that can build a wiki page.
You know, we've tried it in the past and it's always got
You know, it's never been finished. I'd like somebody to take on that task of starting it.
And building what we what we've got. And I think most of us can go in there and edit it on our own.
And add and subtract. And then once we get an outline. We can start doing it. My idea is to take a snapshot of Bach and spin them up as another VM so we can play with it.
Do you see where we break? And at that point then, I like somebody else. Good take on the task of watching what we're doing.
Maybe sharing a T-. And actually making a record of what we do.
So we can go back and look at it. Next time we need to do this and have a reference.
Almost like keeping a log. Yeah.
So Shawn, would you be willing to take on the Wiki idea?
I think Sean dropped off.
No, he's still there, he's still on the list. He's muted area.
Just muted. So that one seems a bit tough because I don't know what the like you want somebody to document the steps before we do them.
No!
It sounds like on a wiki and I don't know what those would be necessarily because I'm not that familiar with M or man and from reading the sesame and stuff, there's a lot of people that are way smarter about what to do about the situation that I am.
So.
I, I think the issue is we really need somebody diligent enough to document what we actually are doing.
During this process. Okay.
Well, remember there's 2 steps here. You know, number one, we need to collect the ideas that we've been talking about for a month.
Get a in the wiki with very suggestion so we can all Look at it and decide, yeah, that's a good idea or no, that's not a good idea.
And then once we actually start to work. I don't know if we want to. Keep a log in the wiki or something separate, but.
You know, I'd like to be able to go back a couple of years from now and say, oh, how do we upgrade that mailman?
You know, let's look through, look through the steps, see whether it's on the wiki or in along.
Yeah, Shaw, back in 2 parts. One is the to-do list and the other one is the to-do list.
Right.
So right, right now I think the important part is for somebody just to
Manage that and make sure it gets done Not necessarily create the knowledge, but. Organise it and set it up so we can all look at it, you know, those of us that wanna work on it.
Okay, I can try. I can give the shot.
And what's what stands doing right now this is We're used to or the wiki system and this is basically a markup file.
And he's actually editing the wiki right now. Are you can, Tiddlywiki will let you edit the text file like this.
Oh, yeah, be careful. That's what I run into because Stan's in their editing and I won't do my treasurer stuff.
So I either have to kick him out or come back later, which I do and I forget about it.
Otherwise, if you do the graphical interface to the wiki thing. You, you still have to.
Have people do one at a time kind of thing and and even when I manually edited using them here, I have to routinely save it for the the graphical wiki to appear properly.
Yeah.
So are we looking? For Shawn to just be. Setting up and totally wiki, a structure.
That would become this list. Or would Shawn kinda be the lead person of waiting through? What's been going on?
In the assistant list and making the list. She just making the structure for the list. Well, the structures the important part and then However much you know, whatever we can do to get their ideas in there.
I know Mike had a lot of details on Mailman. Which I've forgotten now actually been weeks since I read them.
But basically once we get the structure there, that everybody can be going in and updating the Wiki with what they think.
Right. It's so I guess I guess at this point what we need is a wiki manager.
Somebody to set it up, start the process going.
Oh, that's not true.
Thank you. I'll put something out there and then, and then we can just iterate on it.
So, and then we can just iterate on it. So, I'll go through maybe the first.
So I, so, did we decide anything like, did we decide how we're gonna start?
A lot of ideas floated around. But there can't all be done, right? We have to pick one.
And so should the first thing be like, Like a list of choices and then we decide and then we kind of hone in on, okay, what would the exact steps be for whichever way we decide is that what you're looking for.
I don't think we need to have all all the options listed because there's a lot of discussion on bottom.
I think Mike came up with his recommendation toward the end. And that was. He suggested doing the upgrade with mail man 2.
And then taking our time and build a mailman 3 separately. Until we get it debugged and then we can turn off mailman too.
I think that's the last comment I saw.
Is this Mike Knight?
Yeah, he's kind of our ghost techie. I've seen him like twice in the last 15 years.
I've thought.
Right. And that's when he came to meeting to give us his $10 monthly or a yearly donation.
Yeah, he used to be a regular physical attendee all the time and now he's become a virtual.
I see I'm at the library occasionally.
Okay. Yeah. Which library?
Okay.
Yeah, pre comments. I've seen him there at least twice and less 3 years. Yeah. But he, he made.
All the library branches. I don't know.
Yeah.
And, do you note his, response to the fact that they cut back on the hours.
He I figured that would really eliminate or not reduce our ability to use the library as a as a meeting place.
If unless we started the meetings at 4 PM. And says 6 PM.
Yeah, whatever.
Build my monitor.
Whatever.
Okay, I found that I finally found that email. So, okay, so basically you want me to create a wiki page that kind of lists?
Out that we're gonna upgrade from 10 to 11. And then I guess you want me to start working on the steps that it take it with me on man too, right?
Right.
So we're gonna keep mail man too. So make up some info saying, okay, the, you know, this document is upgrade back from 10, Debian 10 to Debian 11 keeping me on man 2.
And then we can work through what the steps are to do that. And then we can fill it in.
Like the way that I've always done this is like the way that I've always done this is like You know, you're making a, I understand like recording the steps after the fact and whatnot, but I, you know, I've always had more success, especially if you're making a copy of Bach.
We can go through it and as we type a command in, we put it in the, you know, we type it in and it works.
We put it in the dock. Let me type the next man and it works. We put that in the dock, at the same time, right?
And then when you go to do it on the real system, you should just be able to follow the doc.
Straight through.
Yeah, yeah, that's one way to do it. But it's a bigger job for one person.
That's why I was suggesting we kind of split that workload. You know, somebody might organize a wiki and then the other one to make sure that as we do everything you know, actual commands and output or dropped in.
Yeah, I can do both. I'm the only one here, so I might as well do.
I can do both. I'd much rather do that than, than be in charge of what, you know, figuring out what commands get typed in.
Okay.
Especially for the mailman part. For the Debian part, I'm not as worried, but I, I'm, I'm so
Okay, I'd like to bring up the I did that base presentation on. On scripting and
Okay. Hello.
Okay. Okay. Can you mute?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, and we could use that and that does the input and the output. So that'd be good.
Yeah, and, and, and possibly that ASCII Numa or whatever it was that you, did that, looks even better.
You know, I don't, you know, hadn't had a chance to really play with it, but.
The thing I really like about it is it shows you the color. You know, and it seems to, I think you said that there was a ability as you go along to actually
Well.
Run the code or something. I forget exactly whatever, but. I'm thinking, I'm thinking that using those tools people could actually record what they did.
You know, is it?
Yeah, like the good thing about scanning is you can mute, right? If you get to a command and it doesn't work and then like, crap.
Now I have to run some more commands to troubleshoot, but I don't want those to be in the recording.
Well.
You can stop the recording, you can be mute the recording, run all those troubleshooting commands to figure out what the actual command is and then you can put the recording back on and pause it and then you can run the right command afterwards.
So.
The the nice the nice thing about actually recording as you go along is you, you show all the things you tried that didn't work and what you got and then.
What you led what led you up to oh let's do it this way not that way
Yeah, sometimes. But sometimes it's just annoying typos that you made and like you don't want them like it's just You know, sometimes there's not a lot to be learned by, oh, there was being an idiot.
Yeah.
Couldn't spell again. Yeah.
Yeah, well.
Buying fickle fingers of flux. And then.
Okay, stop on Bach. Where is this? Where is the file that you want me to, edit?
Well that would be a good exercise for you.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, is it, is a hide and seek first and then I give you the thing you asked me to do.
Yeah. I always suggest you go to W's that sloop.org slice steercom.
And on that page, it's got a link to the wiki stuff. And you go in there and that you can kind of that'll lead you into the wiki process.
And if I remember correctly, you at some point when you actually want to change something, you have to use the login and password.
Of log in name discuss and password of freely. I think is required when you actually go into an editing process, I think.
And the simplest thing to show might be to go into the wiki. There's a sysadmin section in there.
Yeah.
And just create a new page by name. And then edit the wiki and then then you can look for that physical page on B.
And. And for a while you might wanna just use the wiki process because it's got a bunch of.
You know, special characters like, you see, the header there for like, I got blocked up, right?
It's got It's bracketed in by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, little, equal marks.
And then the the up at the top where it's got the double slashes. That's that's a comment that slash slices the comment and you know, down here is the 1, 2, 3, 6.
Yeah, like H 2 and H 3 type thing.
Equal signs is a different level. Of display of the actual wiki. Yeah. Yeah, plus in the in the wiki thing it's got things where it shows you how to highlight something.
And actually if you bracket stuff with with. 2 asterisk on each side that makes it bold and a lot of weird stuff like that.
And whatever. And the, and it's got some code like the code, the slash code that.
That put stuff. Different on the display, whatever, lot of, lot of weird stuff like that. I can't remember half of them all the time, but.
Whatever. And if you mess it up, then You go through it halfway down the wiki every for everything from there on is all.
Jumbled together and it's all bolded. So you gotta straighten those out. So.
Let me, let me share. Can I share my screen real quick? I think I'm pretty close to what you guys are saying.
Here. Sure, go ahead.
Oh share this one
Okay, so I got the wiki up. Hopefully you guys can see it. Okay, and I'm logged in.
Yeah. We do see it. Yes.
And I'm here and I see I'm on this page for the slug wiki.
I don't see any other pages.
Well, they're all they're all linked. Like if you click on that mail, yeah, if you click on mail client, there's another page.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then if you back, you've got.
Oops. And you said there was one for like system, no server.
Yeah, Bill Docs is one of them.
Oh yeah.
Oh.
Yeah, I think that link there, it's a little bit small for me to see. I think there's another page under that.
Yeah, there you go.
So.
That's a lot of old documentation that's never been updated.
1,018. So basically just just make another link there under current projects.
And let's see, I don't see the edit tab on. Yeah, there you go.
And just make another page or above that or above it or blow it, whatever. Bach reef Bach upgrade.
Debian, 10 to 11.
And you say that. Now when you click it, it will create the page. And you're in business.
Okay.
You could post your your progress to the Steercom mailing list. And occasional. You know, don't feel that you have to do.
Do a whole lot of constants. Stuff you know, keeping informed, but you know, occasional notification to everybody else would be nicer.
You might get somebody to come in with suggestions and it's open up to. Other people can add stuff also.
That's because it's a wiki.
Okay, cool. Well, I got a good, at least I know where to start and then I'll go from there.
Thank you, Chair. Appreciate it. Definitely. Thank you.
Okay, one other thing I'm still here, if that's okay. I mentioned a
I, okay.
Oh, a base idea for a short talk. For system timers. I know there's some discussion about doing a longer one, but I'm not I'm not volunteering for that.
I'm volunteering for a short one. On.
I think it would be, I think it would be sufficient if it was short, you know, if it turned out to only be 35, 40 min.
There would be enough questions to keep to make it worthwhile for that meeting. I mean, we don't always have to have a really long presentation after the base presentation.
We've done a couple of meetings where we did 3 bass that essentially were 3 base presentations in a row.
And that was great, you know. Because it was the topics and the content and the participation. Is what counts.
Yeah, and from the system system D is such a complicated and political topic. I wouldn't want a long presentation.
Yeah.
I think having, you know, a few sharp ones is a heck of a lot better because people can wrap their mind about one idea.
Yeah, it's if you look back in when SSH first came out. I think we had about 5 presentations over 2 or 3 years.
Maybe 7 presentations about SSH before people actually started using it. In our group. Now this was years ago, so.
The short presentation is kind of grabs their attention or whatever. Plus the fact now that we've got a much better.
Video recording process than we have in the past. We've lost so much of this stuff. And there's a lot of stuff that we'd never recorded way back when.
And there's stuff on a hard drive that's floating around. Alice's house somewhere.
That might have some. Pictures in it and I've got some too that I don't know what's on the.
I just haven't have time to go in and categorize them and put them up where they belong.
I mean, I realized or ran across them I had uploaded a bunch of these things and never linked them because I didn't know.
Which, meeting they related to. And, They're up there, but.
And I was also, I discovered that we have. Hey, a YouTube channel. That I thought required a specific password.
It is. Now I thought was something that Don Ellis had and and forgot. Well, it's not a specific password.
It's something I have the capability. If I can remember how to do it. It's it's really kind of convoluted.
But I uploaded to present the 2, I think the November presentations we had. And they one of them got 26 views and one of them got like 60 views across the YouTube channel.
So that's yet another place where we can start moving. Some of our recordings up there, besides having them on Bach.
Cool.
But it's like, you know, it's yet another thing. For Stan to do.
There was some some suggestion and at the last meeting I said, so why didn't we do to it?
Move to a, content management system instead of the archaic old. HTML code that we got the way their web pages are set up now.
Well, first off, you're gonna have to teach Stan how to do it because Stan's the only guy in the last 5 years that volunteered to do anything.
Hello.
Like that. It consistently maintained this. When Stan gets run over by that truck Not my problem anymore.
And I can rattle on and on about a couple of other things that I shouldn't. At this point.
Well.
So the, the system D, like I said, I'll do a talk on the timers.
I'm like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying I'll do more than that at this point.
Okay, that's
Yeah.
I'm just volunteering for the time. I know we have a base presentation line up already for next month is what I was told so maybe the month after that or something there's no rush but I basically I've been doing something and I think that I can make a pretty compelling case that system D timers are better than crown jobs and a few interesting ways and so it might be interesting for the audience but I really don't
think that'll go more than 25 min. You know, I really don't think I'll even go that long.
And so, and then the other thing is, I don't know, like, this is so huge and then the The things are so nuanced that I just don't really have.
I only just learn enough to do whatever task I'm trying to accomplish at that exact moment and then I forget it the next day, you know, so I'm not I'm not some kind of authority on system D at all.
Okay.
So, So I don't know. I'm not really, I don't really want to go deep on it, but I'll just do that.
I'm volunteering to do that short.
Right. That some of the best presentations we've had is where somebody says, hey, this is what I discovered and I figured out how to do.
And that leaves me with 27 questions, you know. Hey, did anybody in the room like to comment on that?
And that gets the discussion going and it doesn't necessarily have to lead to anything. Other than people kind of you know gets their brain cells working.
And down the road, it might be 4 months or more or whatever somebody comes up with something. This is what I did.
You know, kind of, whatever. Now the question I have in my mind is, when are you going to do this?
Shawn? I mean, we're gonna put you on the spot right now.
Whenever I can do whenever, this is a short one so I can whip it together pretty quick.
Never.
Okay, how about how about the next main meeting?
Next week.
Next week? Sure.
Okay, great. Okay.
Cool.
Thanks, week. The tenth is our next meeting. I thought it was the seventeenth.
No.
Oh. Okay.
No. Second Wednesday. This is the day's first Wednesday. Okay.
Oh
Yeah, the eighteenth is the Linux meeting. And Whatever. And the reason I put you on the spot because I can't get anything out of Gary.
Yeah.
And Yeah.
And I can pass the buck on to other people, which I'll do in a minute. But yes, we do, we do need a second presentation for next Wednesday.
So, but yeah, Shawn, if it's just too damn close for next Wednesday. So, but yeah, Sean, if it's just too damn close for you.
Certainly understand. Perry said yes, don't give an out. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah, don't give it out. And I will bill it as main, but I will, you know, specify in there it, this is good, you know, we'll try and word it to.
You know, don't expect. It to answer all your questions. Is this going to be? Look at one of the neat features you get out of using.
Okay.
System D for doing this the timing stuff whatever Okay.
Yeah. But something like baby like system D timers are 10 times better than crime. I'll prove it.
Cool.
Okay. Alright. what I'm interested in, the, the journaling, logging that the system B does.
I need I think that's fantastic. I found, you know, I, to this, to the extent that I've set up permanent.
Journaling on all my systems, but even before. Red Hat. Went to default adopting it.
And now because on what in my name system, I've got I turned it on, 2, 2 years ago, January, 2 years ago, or was it 3 years ago?
Or was it 3 years ago? Whatever. And it's so it doesn't take up a whole lot of space.
You know, and it's, you can see all kinds of neat stuff in there. And I've turned it on a new machine.
Well, I better shut up here. Perfect.
Yeah, we can communicate more on that later. In the meantime, Shaun needs to put somebody to bed.
Yeah.
Thank you. For the efforts and the volunteering, Sean, and if you catch us again before the meeting ends, wonderful, catch us again before the meeting ends wonderful. Otherwise we understand.
And the
Do. I'm putting it teaser together, no, that we could put out as an abstract for next week.
And.
Yeah, I send something, to Steercom already and I can, if that's not good that I can.
Do a shorter thing, I guess, but I think what I sent to see accounts probably pretty good.
Okay, cool.
That'll work. Plus the recording for this meeting will be posted on that. Steercom page, WIs, floo.org slash stearcom.
There's a section over there where we links to the videos. Well, when we get the video for this meeting, it'll be there.
Take care.
See, yeah, thanks.
Alright, have a good evening. Talk to you later. Thanks.
Take care.
Alrighty.
Hooray.
Now what?
Now, let's see.
Hey, as far as I'm concerned, that's all we need to cover this meeting.
Yeah let me jump back though and clean up some loose ends here. So, we were talking about doing this wiki.
Of how we're gonna do the upgrade. And we had also mentioned. Basically using One of the meetings.
To have kind of an open discussion. Now that we wanna do that before we do the upgrade. Do we wanna do?
Just the base session like a 1520 min. At the beginning of a meeting and say, hey, we're gonna do the upgrade on block.
Here's the type of stuff we're talking about if you people are interested. Start reading this wiki and How do we get more people involved in this?
I think getting the wiki set up and then start promoting that wiki might get people to look at at least look at it and then then get more response out of people.
I mean,
So we don't need to use either the Wednesday nor the Thursday meeting this month. To Okay.
I think I think that'd be premature. You know, and it's always been kind of premature.
We, we, you know, Because we talk about it and we get 20 questions so we can't answer yet.
Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
Good. Okay. In that case, let's see, we jump back into the agenda.
Here we go. Hello. Yeah.
Don't look excited, Dave. Yeah.
Okay. SICKER. It's a.
This report Meaning. And now comes meeting review and comments December.
Hmm. And nothing really this you say about the Slack meeting for December fourth. Or I mean it's now Steercom and also the Slack meeting, I guess.
Right. Yeah.
Shawn did the ASCII cinema stuff. December thirteenth.
That was really neat. They have a nice, book end or comparison with the one you did.
I'm really neat. Additional
Capability.
Any other comment?
Hello.
I'm trying to think, but I think that.
I'm sure there's some specific things that I learned. I just can't remember them off the top of my head.
At the moment, but I, if I was smart, I would have got up and down.
Well, if you were smart, you, you would come into the, into the wiki and added some of this stuff.
Yeah, you're right.
Earlier. Then too it would have helped if I had finished the agenda. You know, 5 days ago instead of earlier last night.
Whatever.
Moving right along. Yep.
You could get line. Robert Siddock did that Python, the data frames.
Everybody comment at once.
La, da, da, da, da.
Your game show?
It is. Yeah. Yeah. I just waiting for participants to come up with something.
As somebody turn the, the captioning on, I don't know.
I didn't.
And somebody turn it back on.
Is. If you are on mute. Now, how the hell do you turn it on?
It used to be on. It was on earlier.
It's on now.
I don't see it.
I don't see.
It
Any comments about Robert Citix? Hi, Python, the data frame thing.
I think it was amazing.
Although I don't remember how. But then I don't remember what I had for breakfast. So.
We got it now. Okay, sorry about that. We had some confusion here. Oh, we're not part of these stuff down.
And but we're back up and so Panda data frames.
Yeah. Yeah, I meant to look up why it's called Panda. I never have yet.
There there had to be some meaningful
Either acronym or reason why they pick that as a mass conflict.
But yeah, definitely good stuff.
But can you be more specific about what it was good about? Do you remember? You probably don't.
You know, I'm reading.
I've died. Yep, I did not pull my notes together for tonight. So.
I'm surprised you're here at all, Gary.
You have notes?
I am too. Good notes.
What are notes?
Yeah. Okay, if nobody else has any specifics, I guess we'll move on.
Okay.
John did that ZFS 3 2 one backup bitrock thing that was.
Good. That was really a great presentation. I wish Shawn was back on with us right now because I mean.
He did stuff that was not, you know, whizbang different for ZFS. He, he explained why you want to do backups.
Why you want to stay the backups like this, What's the difference between the backup and a snapshot file?
I mean, we got into
The deep philosophies of what we're going on and not just the technical, here's how you do this.
So it was a great presentation.
Oh
Anything else?
Anything else, folks?
I like it.
That explaining the why. Is something that Ken Johnson always does. And a lot of times.
Scott Grennam does and that really makes a difference If you talk, why are you even thinking about doing this?
Yeah.
It really makes. I think it improves the presentation. Sometimes some of these guys just dive right into something and they say, well, they're they assume you know why you wanna do something.
Or why you should, you know, within. So the differences between alternatives is, you know, whatever.
Hi, I gotta turn that concept on said for a second, for some reason it brings this to mind.
So we start in this class. It's a, it's down to St. Louis you.
Physics professor comes in. And the first 15 min or so. He writes some stuff up on the board.
Any kind of pauses, looks at the chalkboard and he goes. So, why is that?
Oh, let me see. And he starts right, more stuff up on the chalkboard. Chatting about, you know, the stuff he's writing up there.
And then, you know, it comes time for the end of class, break up and go away. Come back, you know, whatever the next class is, you know, few days later, and he resumes writing stuff on the board.
We're all furiously taking notes. End of class, next day, right? For example, and where peers to take There's all kinds of little discussions as we go.
We get to the end of the semester and it's like, you know, a week before exams.
And finishes writing a line on the chalkboard. And he pounds the chalk it makes a period in the end and he goes That's why.
Half a dozen the students in the room we all look at each other and all of a sudden we all page back through our notes, realize that the entire semester has been based on the first 15 min where the question was, why is that?
Thought experiment, yeah.
The man had a 3 and a half month long thought. Oh.
Anyway.
Okay.
How the new Linux meeting go.
Very good. Other fact that nobody could hear me until the last. Yeah, And so I couldn't get sound working.
Larger than expected.
Turn out. Or day after.
Excellent.
Bill bunch essentially ran ran the meeting.
Good. Span and screwed up.
Now.
Phone in. Whatever.
Hmm.
Yeah. And we had 2 females. Yeah, that was interesting. I had to watch my language.
Well, nobody could hear me the first.
2 h because I was a busy cousin.
Meeting schedule. Yeah, January. Okay, January third.
That's this meeting.
Help me.
Okay. Yeah. Ed Hollins gonna be doing the,
History of the shell. Obviously seeing him. And.
And I'm not sure what the exact title is. At this point, what Shawn is gonna be doing.
Okay.
It's the, the SMD timers better than Kron.
Yeah.
Not a problem because short.
Because
Okay. Any other comments?
Shawn thinks it might be short, but just not a problem because very large and lots of topics in there.
And we're looking forward to that.
Anything for your St. Louis Linux?
And I'm sorry, what you put for,
The base Ed Hollins talk.
Yeah, History of the shell.
History of
By the way, so is that. How things came about in seashell and corn or is that the history command in shell?
How things came about.
Okay, okay.
History of the shell.
That's what I was thinking at first. And then, you know, as I was fluxing around with the ID, I realized, oh, wait a second, I could easily misunderstand that as being the history plan.
Okay, cool.
Okay.
Okay. And your question was, The Thursday log meeting. I've got, Stephen Lumbark.
He's going to do a talk on an introduction to.
And for those of you who go and good good good to bless you, if you're not familiar with it.
Hey, came out of, some early work. I believe at Google. Or really organizing.
Oh my god, how big can a data set be? So when you just have massive, massive amounts of data that you have to organize.
And, so. Obviously Google ran into that problem early. And figured out how to organize it and that basically is, is it organized?
How you spell it?
HADO OP.
Hey.
Okay, bye.
This will be an introduction to it. And basic. It'll be, you know. You got a huge amount of data.
Here's how you go about putting it into a tool.
Okay.
Hey.
Some other things that I had been pursuing but have not gotten answers back on yet. Specifically, Chris.
The rhythm, PPRE, DUM. He offered to do a talk on true NAS for us.
Yeah.
But that was back in November. And so Stan and sent him an email. On December the eleventh and I've sent an email.
So I sent them email, text message and phone call. Yes, yesterday and today and I still haven't gotten back a reply so I'm presuming that he like me as holiday stuff still going on.
And, is, maybe he's traveling or something, so. I haven't heard that.
Yeah, they they did a version update very end of November so
If we do some what is here, Alex. Large language models? That's going to be, the Thursday meeting in February.
Thursday? Wednesday or Thursday?
We just asked me, about Alex's presentation, I believe.
I got that, right? I think it's, hold on my check and make sure. You probably could just scroll down on the.
Yeah.
On the
On what sheet.
On the minutes. Is Alex's talk? Wednesday or Thursday there's in February. So
I didn't put it in there. Because you hadn't talked to him saying which one it was.
Okay. Okay.
I mean, I did list it as. Main Wednesday. As a.
What's the word I use? Negotiating or whatever.
Yeah. Not confirmed.
Because you because he had offered 2 things and you didn't tell him which one.
Right, right, right.
And I figured if you tell him which one it might change when his date was until you talk to him and settle that down.
Okay.
There's no point in putting it there other than I listed it on the planning thing. Yeah, the tool, which you occasionally look at.
I look at you.
Yeah Whatever. Anyway.
Okay.
Okay. Alright.
So nothing confirmed there available. You know, whatever.
Yes.
No, I, I still have to confirm which one is gonna do.
No, it's.
I've tried to look and see I thought I had put down what stage he liked better but I Having trouble taking it up now.
No point in going any further with that
We're planning old business.
Oh yeah.
Oh, here we go. Yeah, it was the fourteenth. Yeah, when Alex is, down.
So.
Okay.
Does he confirm that? Well, you don't know which one he's fine doing though.
Yeah, but I think we've got the date confirmed. We just need to confirm which one of the titles.
So and every it seem like everybody except me like large language models. Better and So, we'll go with that.
As main.
As Yeah, I believe that'll be main.
I can't fix you doing it in a 20 min time block.
I've also been playing tag with Scott Graneman and scott was on TV again last week.
He's gonna read by Lauren Trigger on channel 4 and I forget why I think it was.
Something to do with artificial intelligence, I think. But, anyway. I'll try and find the recording of it.
Okay.
Be nice if he did reference a recording of our recording of the meeting.
Yeah.
Alrighty. So anyway, that does mean even though now we do have a Let's see, the fourteenth is.
Valentine's Day.
That is the one say, yeah, okay. Okay, so we still need to get. A base for that date and a Thursday for next month as well.
Yeah.
Alright.
But you still need to confirm that with him.
As the topic, large language model, okay.
Yep.
Damn it.
Okay.
Consider that's the word considered.
Yeah, I'll happy changing the Well, we've got stuff other stuff for. The tenth, you know, we'll be moving that down to
Whatever.
Right.
I'll market consider, but you need to confirm.
Alright.
And I'll be adding in that thing. For Stephen.
Okay.
Lambark.
Thank you. You are.
Okay. That hey, dope or hardwood, PHA deal. Okay. Okay.
Okay. Then we're done with the. That we need to go into old business at this point, I guess.
Ready.
Anything to say about them at this point?
Nope. Please.
Planning's in progress. Do the wiki page up this week?
Her wiki page is up.
Encourage folks to take a look and.
Let us know what they'd like to contribute.
Okay. Hmm.
Website maintenance.
No changes.
Okay. Okay.
And then keeping up with stuff.
Uploading presentations.
Keeping up with. Current. Recordings.
By the way, coincidentally, that we were talking about, hey, there. The St.
Louis Hey, DU, users group. Where I should have been tonight before we scheduled this meeting.
What about?
Are they physical? Are they physical or online? They have been online, but I think maybe they went back to physical.
He's still needed, Doherty. See if there's nothing. There
Anyway, their meeting should have been over with at 7 o'clock, so.
Okay.
Anyway, that's trivial. I'm sorry, Sam. Go on.
Nope, it wasn't online.
It was online.
Yeah. Yeah.
Next item, meetup.com maintenance. Meet up sucks. Removing mistakes sends out.
Thank you.
Using cancellation messages.
Oh yeah.
Let's see, our internet presence on other social media.
Anybody have anything to say about that?
Please.
Sean. And John would be the.
People to talk on it.
They haven't done much lately.
Yeah, I've usually you know, when we come up on the week of the meetings. I usually Drop them a note and say, by the way, you get any nibbles on social media and have them get any feedback from.
So.
It's Shawn and who?
Jonathan? Jonathan?
James.
Oh. James, thank you.
Don't wait, Conroy.
I can never remember his last name.
Please. Conroy? Yeah.
One
So, he is saying, Conroy.
Now, where is this? No, no, no. Facebook? What the hell is it?
Good.
Which one? Some social. Media. I don't know if it's mastered on.
I thought it was mastered on, but I could be wrong.
Yeah, I'm not on MASSED on. I wound up on the. Oh shit, what's it called?
Not Masodon. It's something else.
Something that nobody how I ever uses. It's there. I sign.
What is?
No, not Twitter. It's, some damn thing.
Anyway, it's. The . That they're social media thing that they use.
And it's not mastered on. Asidian or some crap like that. Hopefully nobody else doesn't heard of.
But they're all the same damn thing and they look they look kind of the same. And they're rabbit holes.
I mean, you can go on there and get lost like again Wikipedia. So I'll be damn if I'm gonna sign up.
Hmm.
Although I wish, I wish they'd, they'd chose Macedon because I think that.
Macedon has a more From what I've heard, they have more technical people.
Clientele and then. Whatever the hell this thing is, I'm signed up to.
No, I have been using Twitter for about 10 years. And I've just blocked 50 or 60 things a day and I end up which is what I want.
Yeah.
Definitely. They keep throwing ads at you.
Yeah. Do we need to say anything about the announced list?
Anything special?
Yes. I can't think of it.
Move. We need hybrid meetings. We need the same thing. Anything more about that?
No, I don't think anybody's.
No. Cameras and microphones.
Nope.
I see last month that we sell the stuff.
You know, I've, I got projectors. Please got cameras, we got microphones laying around everywhere.
If we're not gonna do hybrid meetings, we're not gonna be using this stuff. We just ought to get rid of it.
Have we abandoned face to face meetings?
No, we're not abandoning it. We just don't have anymore people who want to pursue it.
I predicted it will come back. Just I don't know when.
Well, Okay.
Eventually.
Hey, attendance database.
Right. I do the, I do the. Update the attendance every every after every meeting and I upload it.
It's available off of that. Dearcom page. You can download it and if you go to the.
Not reports, it's the. Excellent.
Whatever.
Any comments?
Very worthwhile.
I guess so.
You're just trying to do it.
Make me feel good.
You know, the only reason we need it is to kind of. Say who can vote and the only reason we need to do that is because A long, long time ago, Sam.
Coolishly decided that we needed to track. Who's eligible to vote? You need to have real elections instead of at the meeting say, who wants to be president?
Who wants to be this? Who wants to be there? Right?
Okay. Radical idea.
No idea.
I think we just should switch, to amend their cost. Our. Our charter to say that we just have a lottery.
You know, we talked about that for the national election. Sam and I have, but, Yeah, there is a problem.
And I know at least one, One or 2 user groups I've been involved with.
The fact that we now have a bank account. And, Yeah, you, I've seen a couple of user groups amazingly.
You know, had coup d'etat. Somebody would know the election was that night would come in with his drinking buddies and get himself elected president treasurer and either take the group of directions that nobody really wanted or Just empty the bank account.
The inconvenient way. So. So unfortunately, it's probably good that we try and keep some.
Suppose it controls even if they are sloppy. Who can vote?
Well, that's why the Board of Governors just says that those ballots are just Now nominations for position.
That's the thing is actually the only real thing we're voting on. Is the board of directors
Board. Yeah.
Which is actually the next point. That I was gonna mention bring up and that is We need to figure out.
I'm thinking there are 2 seats. That are open. Well, 2 seats it would normally be coming up for election.
And I still haven't. Done one last pestering of Sandra. So we may, we have at least 2, maybe 3.
Forward seats we need to build. I just don't know who they are off the top of my head.
Okay.
Well, it doesn't matter. It doesn't really matter if somebody sends me a $20 bill.
They're going to wind up on the ballot.
Huh. Yeah, but that doesn't do us any good. I mean, shit, we haven't seen Don in 5 years.
Yeah.
Then. And, and, and, and, never sent, he never sent you 20 bucks.
Well, That's why I put it on a ballot.
There we go.
The $20 is to keep your name off the ballot.
You know, otherwise your name winds up there. I mean, I've got to put something up there, you know.
Hmm.
Yeah, then. Well, you know, we put that put Stanford on there and everybody voted for it and we put him up there and He hasn't shown up at any steering committee.
No, no.
No. Matter of fact, after that we never saw him at any of the meetings.
That's true.
He has not shown up at any meaning thereafter. Yeah, so any
I think he's having too much fun down EWR.
What's CWR?
Ellison weather radar guys out in Kirkwood where Carl used to work before he managed to weasel himself out of there.
Yeah. He's still Stanford's still working there, huh?
Last I heard.
Anyway, yeah, I suggest we do away with election election and just do a lottery for the position.
Whatever. I don't think that's going anywhere.
Anyway, next item is planning schedule report database. Any comments, issues?
I was just looking through and I was just amazed at all. I've done in the last 10 years.
Yeah
There like 30 presentations in there. I talk about what? Yeah.
It is amazing.
You anything else?
I guess on that point I'm functioning around right now. Flipping back and Try to look for, I know I put in the minutes.
I guess a year ago what the board seats were that come open
It's not a problem, Gary. I I know how to do it. It's not gonna be an issue.
Okay. What I do is I look at the previous 2. Vallets. And if.
The
Okay.
It's the clock. In the ballot, whatever. Yeah. Anything on this planning schedule to talk about?
Nothing more.
Nope, I don't think so. I mean, it's a great tool.
Thank you.
Welcome.
Handouts.
None, I just haven't gotten to doing anything else. Linux stickers. Oh. Hi.
And I suggest we move this section this month.
Well, there you go. It's gone.
No, it's not.
Yeah.
Hello.
But it's that easy. Okay, this is this. I, I deleted something from last month that was going late and I'm suggesting we do away with this Linux sticker thing because This project doesn't get my support.
We aren't meeting live to give stickers out and we aren't selling them. Across the internet.
You know, if we had a bunch of them, how would we pass them out?
Yep.
You know, I suggest remove this section next month. When I remove it next month, say yes.
Yes. Yeah.
I'm not concerned. It will not be in next month's thing.
Okay.
Organizational papers.
Team, Mister Gary, you know what they're?
Unless there's a raccoon who's carried the box off out of my basement I think they're sold there
Is it up dry where, you know, case your basin gets flooded if they don't get wet, will they?
Should be.
I would like you to check at some point.
Okay.
Sponsorships, we are no good at selling. Okay.
Well, I think we need to congratulate or. Give Steve Gomez a case of beer. Yeah.
That would be nice.
Because, you know, 200 bucks a year is damn nice in my book. That's great.
Yeah.
You know, I just shocked myself. Oh, That'd be very
Of 22 election. That's when. We and Stanford got elected to board seats. I was thinking that Stanford just got elected.
That'd be worry 23.
It's been 2 years, Stan's been on the board. It's been 2 years.
It's been secretary. Sandford has been secretary.
Really?
At least I'm looking at the. February of 22. Stircom. But it's
Yeah. Okay, can Can we buy Steve Gomez a case of beer or something or what?
Yes, we could.
Or lunch or dinner or something, whatever you would appreciate more.
Noing dancing, girls. Okay.
Oh no. Whatever.
I guess. Well, I mean, we could just give it to him or we could, you know.
Get together and share a beer with him if anybody wants to. Violate COVID protocols and actually come out.
Where does she live? I don't know. Stan as donations plural.
He did us 2 years.
Like I say, my, I just found out about them last week when I caught a eBay note on.
Hi. Yeah. Thank you.
Okay.
Okay, I think it's appropriate. Confirm consensus.
Yeah.
Okay.
Sounds like a good idea.
Okay.
Yeah. And.
I'm looking back at the February of last year. Here come minutes. Entry that says that We should, we usually meet to count the ballots.
It doesn't give any results.
We never do.
We do them online.
You do them online and there's so few that we don't want to advertise that there was that little interest in voting.
Well, but I mean, we didn't even put in the minutes who won.
Does it matter? It was no change.
It was whoever was on the
Whoever is on the ballot, no, you know, no change.
It doesn't say who is on the ballot.
Well, okay, so. If you want to. Back, you know, hey, it's on a wiki.
You could have gone in there and changed it 2 years ago or a year ago.
Yeah, I know, I know.
Nobody reads this stop after we do it.
Which is kind of annoying, whatever.
Okay.
It's an exercise in utility.
Oh, who's gonna take care of? Getting a Steve Vere or a meal.
Let's see.
Got all 9 1 one you dial 9 9 9 1 1
Gary volunteered.
Right.
Submit submit the bill to his the treasure. We need help.
Have we recruited anybody else besides Robert Levitt to do anything? In the last month or so.
Nope.
Which you always say, Gary.
Approach as an individual. They can you do this? More likely and just that of. Yes.
Yeah, it did. Yeah, asking the crowd doesn't get a whole lot of response. I gotta tap somebody on the shoulder.
Take a long some fresh wet noodles. Scripture. Sweet.
Any other new business?
Not that I can think of.
Okay, we covered the Bach upgrade and that's Yes, rudimentally outlined does not really.
Address what we discussed. Any of you are welcome to go in there and clean it up.
And, the recording will
Be able to hear what discussion was done. This was kind of a rude, output from as we were going along.
Me trying to think and talk at the same time. It doesn't work too well. But. It's a beginning, but during the whole process we got Sean to kind of volunteer.
No, that's it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Are you occurring requirements?
Thank you. Okay. The St.
Louis Linux. Or domain was automatically renewed this month, wasn't it, Gary?
It's February.
Everybody.
Yeah, the leaders took a
Okay.
Yes, sir.
Alright, I got a question for you. If you, if you go to a browser, you type in St.
Thank you.
Louis linux.org. It goes to the right page.
Okay.
Okay. I have the domains for slack.org and the slack and the domain for new Linux.
Dot org. If you do that, it doesn't go exactly to the right page.
You got to set up the forward in the Apache convict.
Good. Did I do that?
If you send me a reminder with those 3 pieces of information, I'll take a look at it tomorrow.
Okay. Thank you.
Surely.
I've I've been remiss and not Bringing it up. Somebody did mention it on discuss it.
Yeah. Did not look too professional to have it do that way. I mean, we've got the way it's set up, eventually it gets to like.
Hey, that has a, a valid security. I have. Certificate but it it gotta jump around.
Right. Well, no, it should just forward straight to the. The one with this with the right shirt and then from there from there on you're on the shirt.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean it gets there but it's kind of a blip whatever
Anyway.
Yeah, Gary, is that bill to your credit card?
No, no. It's built to. Yeah, a group credit card.
It's been like that for a number of years. I mean, I have not paid for it personally.
Back 8 plus well over a decade. SGL logs and sloop.org. All 3 on dotster, all 3 on auto renew.
Anyway, I'm confused. Never mind.
So we will be counting the ballots in March. I've got to do the. I'll get that.
Put together and hopefully I'll be able to set it up. A little bit better and this time coming up.
You'll see.
Anything else? Here.
Oh, who's got the? Active. The main who's got the password and stuff to go into that.
You mean the registrar?
Yeah, the registration, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, it's in my vault. I thought I put it in Bach.
Yeah.
Okay, you mean in that directory that's the box official? Okay.
Yeah, it's in.
Anyway, okay, I think.
I think.
We're toward the end here. Recognize useful efforts.
Go bunch.
Bill Vunch. Yeah.
And of.
Not sure what how we was how Stan was gonna complete that sentence but Damn, I'm gonna miss Phil if he leaves down.
I mean Hopefully he will keep. We said everything we're really doing everything remotely right now, but
Okay.
Well, he's, gonna have the capability and Cause right now, him and and Ed How and and myself.
Meet on Mumble, generally every Monday, sometimes Saturdays and sometimes, Thursdays.
And, and he's been attending. Consistently all the meetings remotely. I think you see.
Is as long as I call him and remind me there's a meeting he shows up.
He'll be, he'll continue to attend. And his knowledge of hardware and so forth is always.
Greatly appreciated. Which reminds me I have a I have an email I need to send him asking about some software that firmware software.
But, I just ran across. Apparently there's a Linux. Program that allows you to Run this thing and it automatically goes up to to the vendor For example, Dell, it'll go up from what I read.
I think what it does is it automatically goes up to Bell and pulls down any firmware pass use that Dell has for hardware.
Here. If they've maintained the the that firmware patch. So BIOS upgrades and things like that.
Yeah.
But I'm scared to push the button. I need to confirm it. Cause Whatever. And I wanted to ask him about that.
Anyway. Yeah. Okay. Follow up action items as I've said in the past.
Okay.
I've suggested we trash this section. You want to trash this section? Nobody does anything with it.
And.
I know I gotta clean it up.
Gary wants to clean it up, huh? Okay.
We want to do any blue sky session afterwards.
I don't think so. Yeah.
Hi, I suggest we during the meeting.
Let's see, I will make a final comment. I've been. Quasi silent here because I've really been trying to page back the minutes.
And I just can't believe. Looking at the minutes and looking at the Steercom emails I thought I had something in there that said who won the election every year.
And I can't find it. Just look at the ballots from last year.
Can't find that either. Oh, maybe I could. I know there was a balance last year, but.
Okay.
You go to the, www sloop.com. It's got a link to the last 3 ballots.
Where?
Ballots, 2023, PDF. Here you go. Oh shit, that doesn't tell you anything.
Oh, it shows you who was on the ballot.
Right, but doesn't tell you who got any votes.
Interesting. Well, the officers, we've always said it's the board that appoints the offices.
So it's the only one that really we need to keep track of is for the board vote and the board vote.
I didn't really realize Steve was secretary. Hey, Steve, you still there? As you know, your secretary?
Am I?
What the ballots showed last year.
Yeah. No, it.
Kidding!
I think Steve paid everybody $5 a piece to vote for somebody else. So his name is on the ballot, right?
Whatever.
What got him out of it? Yeah.
I, I don't think I, I don't think I was, huh?
Hello.
You were on the ballot and you got to vote. Oh, I don't remember. And the ballot says you were secretary to year on 20 in 2021 also.
Really?
But Stan always points out it's not. Who counts the ballots. Well, it is who counts the bell.
Well, that's what Mayor Daley said. It don't matter who votes, it matters who counts.
That is.
Who cast the votes?
Hello.
Alright. Speaking accounting of votes this fall is going to be some fireworks.
I'll bet.
They're gonna pull out all the stops on cheap
It looks like Steve was the one up last year.
Was I was what?
Cause he's You, you were on the board and secretary to Alex to the election last year.
Huh.
But the problem is we don't know who got elected to replace you.
Yeah, last winter.
Yeah, last winter you were in a pretty bad shape.
But, go up to the top, but. Good. Go off the top.
Oh god, yeah, last year Christmas. Oh, I was a, I was a, I was a mess.
Go up further up, further up. Yes. Okay, that is a ballot for 23. Okay.
Well, speaking of that, how was your how's your wife doing?
Actually, she's doing better. She's not there yet, but she's doing better.
Yeah. Okay. And.
Hey Gary, I got an idea. Yes. Change in need to change the 4 3 to a 4 up here and run this for this year because we forgot to do it last year.
Okay.
Yes. Yeah.
That's not that we forgot to do it. We just forgot to tell everybody what happened.
Maybe that's why I don't remember.
Yeah. I don't, I don't remember. It's been a year ago.
Yeah, and it was just a handful of votes. It was hardly worth counting.
I kind of remember the year before. But I don't remember doing it last year.
Yeah, we did it last year. I do remember that.
So what we do.
I don't remember what we did.
Thank you.
Yeah.
It's obviously we didn't record our announcement. Well, you know, that's what we could do is we could listen to the, March, the March meetings and see if we announced it verbally.
There we are.
There's listed in this yearcom. Maybe we just forgot to write it down. That could be.
It could be, yeah. Yeah. I think I still got the recording. I think I deleted it from Bach, but I think I still got it.
I don't know.
So go back to that for a second if you would. Oh shit.
I take it we're still on commas and we haven't decided to adjourn.
Yeah, you're right. We haven't decided to join. Okay, so. Last year before the vote.
The current board was Steve, Dave, Stan. Stand forward at Lee. And apparently the only one up for expiration last year.
Was Steve. And then. Year before that I know Stanford. Was one of the ones who was voted on.
I don't remember who the other one was. So. So anyway, that must mean that in this year's election, it's either going to be Dave, Stan, or Lee.
It's going to be 2 of those.
So.
Hmm.
Anyway, well, have to go back and find. Yeah, the information from 2021 and we'll figure out which are the 3 or which 2 of the 3.
Well, that's,
Dave and Dave and me are up for it this year.
Oh, you found it already, okay?
No, by just looking at the damn valley, figure that out.
Here's 2022. How do you know it's not late?
Cause it's 1, 2, and 2. 2, 2, and one.
Been that way for last time.
In 2022 It was me and Don.
Yeah.
Okay, so then It's a 3 year slot, so. You want it, 22.
So you're still there, 23, you're still there in 24. Okay. Okay.
So you're right then Stan, it's you and Dave. I suggest we put a knife in the middle of the table.
Yeah.
And we'll all get a beer and wait till you and Dave have it so. No, that's not the way.
Yeah.
Hi.
Yeah.
Well, we are going to have to have an in-person meeting to do that.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, by the way, Gary, whiskey and cigar day is the thirtieth of November.
Okay. Yeah. And here in 2021 it was Dave and Stan. All right, we got it.
Sweeting.
What's whiskey and cigar day?
It's a national holiday.
I didn't know that.
I think it's up on the on our calendar, I think.
If it is, I put it there.
Shit Steve you've been on the board forever
Yeah, it sounds like it doesn't it
Cause you were expiring in 2020. Got reelected.
Yeah, it's the last few years I don't know. I'm barely here.
We're all barely here.
Yeah.
Last year I was all screwed up the year before my wife She had gotten a hip replacement and that failed and we had to do that.
She had to do that over. And.
Got a better doctor, second time around.
She made it stick.
Alright. Well,
Then you got a new shoulder
Boy.
Okay, move to adjourn. You want to do a book end first? Book end. Oh, closing the recording.
The recording. This is the steering committee meeting for. I'm sorry, it's steering committee meeting for, yourcom. I'm sorry.
It's steering for January of 2024 the date is January the third happy tenth day of Christmas.
And