We're here.
Start the recording.
Alright, let's see.
Oh, Stan, I hate to impose on you, but I think you said. You had the agenda.
What agenda?
What?
Yeah. Oh, hell.
I'm trying to remember what the hell to do now.
Yeah.
Always fighting a problem over here with anonymous cowardice not recording the damn things properly.
Oh, let me just worry about this other thing. We got we got the Zoom recording going. So I'll just see if I can figure out how to do the other thing.
That ain't right. It's not about bitch.
And you guys still hear me?
No.
Okay.
Where in the hell is the share screen?
Yeah, screw that.
2,006.
Oh, you figured it out, okay.
No. Okay, are, are you?
Yep, we're seeing.
Are you seeing the text? Agenda? Yes.
Yeah. And it's there, but not large enough to be readable.
How about that?
Good work. Yeah.
Do we need, so if. The hell.
What time do we start?
Thanks. 52.
And.
Helloly here. Did anybody call Steve Stegman? He never shows up unless somebody calls him.
Yeah. Do you mean second? Well, he's doing that. I'm gonna bug Conway.
And what about Sean?
Yeah. He sees it in the steering committee saying and he did, he shows up. Or not, you know.
Okay.
I see that. Lee did put in the treasury port. Thank you.
Anything? They doster and you. That USPS, is that the post office box?
At the town. Yeah.
Gary, was that you?
You're muted, yeah.
I think, I think it was Lee. He answered yes and then he muted again.
Yeah, me again. I was trying to.
Thank you.
Hello. Hey, bud. You make sure.
Oh, okay.
Okay, Well, Do you? Okay. Well, I know I know I put you would put you down for 2 seminars.
How about 3?
Okay. I'll see you later.
I got them excited. Oh, what happened? I told him we put him down for 3 presentation.
Yeah.
Alright. Hmm.
You don't have to come to the strength of any meeting. It would help to defend yourself.
Yeah, it can also keep you off a ballot too.
Okay.
Well, that USPS, is that the post office box stuff?
Yes, sir.
Hmm.
And prices are going up 3 85 for a year. I don't even wanna think what ours went up here.
You were.
I did the calendar report at the. 3 83. That's the
And it includes all of the meetings with times in them and. What looks like, you know, the additional, This, event kind of thing that we put in there, you know, uharies and things like that, that's whatever.
So essentially all it does is those accounts. Include all the effort we put into doing the calendar.
If not, we didn't include those extra things. And the actual. Meetings that have times. Would be just about a hundred less.
And then that counts. So it'd be about 2 80 whatever. So. We've been adding a lot of stuff to the calendar that has actual events.
And that's part of that is because of the. The remote meetings that we started including, you know, that are in Georgia and Michigan and California or wherever.
So. I guess so. I guess so.
Counts. Same. To.
To include. Hey, a lot of the
Actual live events.
Many. Remote. Once. Any other comments from anybody?
I'm kind of surprised at what you just said because Although yeah, we we definitely get a lot more events from other cities.
But at the same time. It just seems like there's so many local events which have died.
And,
Well, there still is still on there unless you deleted them, you know, they show us an X.
Well, and I guess that's it. I just gonna say I've I've started to Okay.
Be a little more Not ruthless, but yeah, I mean, I've been leaving them on there because I was hoping that some of these things would come back after the age of COVID.
But, now that we're About a year. Past where people started. Having meetings again.
Yeah.
I'm kind of thinking that some of these groups, if they haven't met in the last year, I mean, some of them have actually just stopped paying for beat up or Obviously not maintaining a website, but I'm gonna start killing more and more of all.
But, and we've evolved the, that calendar and I think people appreciate it was going on.
You know, remember, Stan.
One
Baldwin. Appreciate the fact that we, Mark, meetings that We're not meeting, you know, that kind of.
Whatever. So. That comes and goes and the changes have been appreciated.
Thank you.
Just a quick interjection. And I believe your anonymous coward dropped out of the meeting.
I could be wrong, but I got that notification about that.
Yeah, it would get crashed. Thank you.
And I don't know. Appreciate.
Okay.
I don't remember which group it was, but it was. One particular group that I had just made up my mind, you know, okay.
I've been killing this off, you know, like one month at a time and I'm just gonna you know, kill off all the rest of them here in the future because they're not coming back.
Okay.
And sure enough, as soon as I said I was going to do that. There they were. Somebody said, we're gonna rejuvenate the group.
We're having meetings next Friday or Thursday. Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, do you guys include the, the bar camp stuff on there? I think I asked you about that one year.
Yeah, yeah, we do that kind of stuff that gets included.
It's a once a year thing, but we're
Well, and if we get the information, we put it up there.
Okay, I'll find out. Be I'm on the a long time ago back when we were having physical meetings.
I was on the bar camp organizers list because I went to the bar camp organizers meetings, right?
Yes.
And this was maybe I don't know, 10 years ago or something like that. And, they never took me off the list Bye, and I've never been to a single meeting or part participated.
So I still, I still get that stuff on there. But this year I'm going to I'm gonna pound their heads in the sand.
Until they get like an accessibility thing. So I'm I'm formatting an email right now to them to say, look.
Let's make this year not only the most successful bar camp ever, but the most accessible. Right?
And that, you know, cause there's a lot of people I found out in my little area here, right?
Who would love to go to that kind of stuff, but they don't go. Because, you know, it's not good for, blind and low vision people.
So, but we could fix it. I mean, we got the tech. We can do it.
Yeah.
So, so I'm gonna, Get on their case about it and I'll find out when the event is.
It's usually in August. So, then I'll let you know.
Yeah.
I think that's just a great idea. I mean, I've been in so many bars in my life and just having a camp for.
Okay.
Yeah, you know, bar campus nothing to do with alcohol, right? Well, except for the after meeting where people, nothing to do with alcohol, right?
Well, except for the after meeting where people get lots and lots of drunk. No, it's.
I gotta really say I really have no idea what bar camp is.
Oh, are you serious? You don't know?
No, I seriously don't know.
Oh, okay. This is like back in 2,007. I think I looked it up one time.
Is it 2,007 or something like that? O'reilly, you know, Tim O'reilly, right?
Right.
We know, we know.
They got the guy who does the Riley Media or ORA. Right? Okay. He started, an invite only.
Thing. Called Friends of O'reilly. In other words, Foo Foo, right?
If they were like the elite of the elite, you know, like. You know, book authors or like.
You know, well known technologists or university professors, that kind of stuff, right? They all got to go.
Nobody else got to go. Well, that pissed off a whole bunch of people in Southern California.
Oh!
So they decided, fuck you, O'reilly. Sorry for my language, but. They they basically decided to come up with bar cam so you got foo and you got bar right so They came up with bar pam.
Okay, who bar
Which is a yeah, and barc is an unconference. It's not a conference. It's an unc conference.
Okay. Yep.
Right? So it flips everything on its head, right? Normally on a conference. There's attendees and speakers and there's like staff, right?
But there's like attendees and speakers, right? Okay, you don't, there are no attendees at bar camp.
There's only speakers.
So you go to bar camp. You're a speaker. Which means you get to say anything you want about anything.
To anybody. And you know, you just have to sign up. There's this chart on the wall and you pick a slot in a room.
Right, that doesn't have any name in it already. And you put down your subject and your name and, that's your slot.
You get to talk for 25 min.
Okay.
Cool.
Not anything. Whatever interest you. So you want to talk about basting turkeys or? And, and, on their, on their website, they got like, oh, you want to talk about microcontrollers and there's nothing.
Oh, you want to talk about basting turkeys? Or do you want to combine them?
Hmm.
You want to use a microcontroller to you know robotically based your turkey. So you can talk about that if you want to, right?
But I've tended to talk about that if you want to, right? But I've tended to stuff on.
On wearing, what are those things that the geisha ladies where the Komonos right the kimonos right I went to a talk on that.
I went to a talk on brewing cider homebrew cider which was really fascinating. It's a lot different than brewing beer.
Or making wine. I would have a bunch of like really interesting tugs. It was a guy who had a, he had a, a giant LED.
Huh.
Thing, right? Or every LED could be whatever color you programmically wanted it to be. So you see literally you can make it into a sign or you could make it into a moving display.
Right? And it was, you know, and being blind. It was so bright it was hurting my eyes.
It was that. That that was pretty weird.
Wow.
But you know, I enjoyed it, cause it's something I could see. You know, so anyway, that's interesting.
Okay.
But it's a, it's mainly a tech conference. Whenever I go there always talk about nerdy shit like compilers and shit Yeah.
Anyway, moving right along, here's the.
Sorry
Oh, that's good. Thank you.
It's good, we appreciate it. There's the being counts. On the meetup counts, I went.
Back in a raced about a hunt about a hundred more. Names that
We're unrecognized, so. Okay, getting rid of all the. Excess stuff. They try to keep us under a thousand.
I don't really know if we hit a thousand does does the price go up for somebody who's paying for this thing?
In in Ken Johnson paying for it.
I haven't seen a bill and a gazillion years. I'm assuming it's on his last.
Picked up the tab but I don't know how many years he I think the deal is you pay for .
A an account and you get like 3 sites on it. Okay. And I think we're just one of his sites.
I hate to think he was. You know, actually paying any kind of money like you do for their pound.
Okay, but anyway, it's still very nice.
Yeah.
Is that the meetup, the charge that they charge you for, Okay.
And we think that once you hit a thousand they try to increase your bill. We think we're not really cured.
I thought I thought we were over 1,000. Let's understand.
No, I've been keeping it under a thousand, so. Try I don't because I thought I read somewhere that once you hit a thousand that the price goes up So they wanna bill you more because you're so successful.
Hello.
What why don't why why'd you just go through it? Hey, if we haven't seen him in 3 years, to lead him.
Okay.
That's what I'm doing. You know, so, you know, So I've been keeping it blow a thousand by doing that.
But I usually just do a hundred at a time because it, you know, you gotta go through it.
It's just one more thing for Stan to do, okay? There you go.
And I get stand a lot of trouble about it because stands always leading Gloria, Susan, Sandy, Michelle.
And now they're their their other interests besides Linux or things like, you know. Social drinking. Getting together for the sexy linger party.
Yeah.
This is activities. Yeah.
Yes. I didn't know that was under the sloop banner there. Okay. Oh, the Gary Ben.
The Gary banner. Yeah.
Yeah, welly. Yeah.
Okay, sorry. I can understand now why he changed his name to Trip Tucker.
I'm like, Stan, why do you have to get rid of these members? You know, it's like, can't you get rid of, you know?
Bob Lee. Gary, get rid of those guys. What, what do you want to do? Shut this thing down?
Okay.
Anyway, thank you.
Okay, yeah, I mean, we do have a, you know, a lot of the new people come in.
Yeah.
Almost all of them found out about us through Meetup. They come in and send at least one meeting.
Sometimes they come back for a second or third meeting. A lot of times we never see him more than once.
So. I don't know how real they are anyway, so whatever.
But then again, we get some people that are actually participate. So.
Right, yeah, I mean, you know, Ron from British Columbia, I mean, he came in through meet up and.
There's another guy Wayne S from California. He came in through Meetup.
And those guys are great also, Tony. Those those guys came in from from meet up and they've been quite beneficial to at least to the.
The newcomer meeting and the Slack meeting. And some of them even attend some of the other meetings.
Okay.
Whatever.
Yeah, I hope that we I hope we get to keep the people that we had at the newcomer meeting last week or 2 weeks ago or whatever because that was pretty good.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just to clarify the joke I was making, yes, I have noticed that. I haven't done cleaning as well as Sam has, but I have gone through and just perused the list of people as they joined.
And it is amazing. There is amazingly higher percentage of women joining. Us. And you ever see show up in a meeting.
And some of them have pictures and yes, they look very nice. And But.
Yeah, you know, the real one.
So you, you don't think those are real, right? You think these are just like, trying to get your email or something like that.
They're either not real at all and as Stan has suggested meet up actually just pads. You know, pads the membership themselves to run up the numbers.
Or there's resume stuffers, you know, that they're The scale really has no intention of coming to our meeting, but she wants to put it on her resume that she's a member.
And I don't know which of those conductors is true, but.
Who knows?
Boy don't really have an official roster. Of members. We just have like if you go to 2 meetings you can vote or something.
Yeah.
Right.
And, and that's only cause Stan. Runs the anonymous coward and records try and Christ to get people put in their full name.
Or at least the initial of their last name so it So all the guys named Bill, you can figure out which bill it was attend to the meeting, you know.
So it's it's not. Counting the votes, who counts the most?
Right.
Oh well, we try to keep it, you know, fair, but what the hell, okay, how much can we do that?
I mean, without being having actual physical meetings. It's not likely check your driver's license and you come in the door.
We never did even did that. You know, and then we have a guys show up in a address, you know.
Remember that guy?
Oh!
Good. The guy did show up on it.
Oh yeah! Oh yeah.
Not thought of him in decades or years.
Yes.
And.
Okay. Hey, and we have guys that show up and they You know, their wife dropped them off because they needed to get away from them for a while, you know.
Yeah.
And, Oh yeah, one guy, I mean, you know, it all of a sudden he'd be standing on top of a table.
Yeah. And.
Yeah, I know exactly. I mean. And I have not checked on him recently. I'm afraid to.
Right.
Yeah. But hey.
Gee, I missed out on all the exciting parts. Yeah.
Yeah. Life is just too exciting.
There's a. Just showing this out because it's kind of why we bothered. Trying to keep a roster and vulnerable loaders.
I remember years ago. The decis, the deck users society here in St. Louis. And there was a guy who figured that it would be a good resume stuffer.
To have on his resume that he was chairman of the St. Louis. Chapter of and so he basically told all of his buddies that he would buy them a drink if they came to the meeting tonight that he would buy them a drink if they came to the meeting tonight and so he shows up with them a drink if they came to the meeting tonight and so he shows up with you know 10 of his buddies And so he wound up
And then they never showed up again.
Oh.
Right, right.
getting 10 votes right away. Well, the other people never showed up again, right? And I've never
Oh, we, we did have one guy that. That attended a couple of the St. Louis Linux users group meetings.
And, because he was, I think he did a presentation or 2, he got elected as president and then, and never showed up again.
And we left him as listed as president for a whole year. Never did never get anything about. Cause it really did mean anything because Gary was doing and a couple other guys were doing all the work gathering, the presentations.
But he had a great years president.
Okay. Yeah, but I mean.
Yeah, that's the kind you like though, you know, the quiet unassuming kind of presidents.
Yeah, I, you know, I guess if he got it on put it on his resume and it stayed there for, you know, whatever, maybe he got a job out of it.
I never heard. Don't even remember the guy's name, but I never, never saw him again.
So whatever.
Yeah.
Many, many years Craig was the president of that. But, Hmm.
Yeah, well, we got we got guys and people in our mailing list and they this is admin list and the and the, It's during committee list.
Haven't seen him for years. I don't even know if they're still alive.
Yeah.
And then. Almost never respond to anything.
I think the thing with mailing list is that you get you get on them and you're maybe you're like Is initial excitement or whatever, right?
And then. You know you start putting filters on your email and they kind of go off into like a folder or something like that right and And you just never checked the folder, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
I got a bunch of those like that. But now that I've got it on my phone, I'm getting all the messages in my inbox.
So I'm gonna go, well, I kinda haven't listened that for years. I hit unsubscribed.
So I just hit the unsubscribe button and it unsubscribes me. But that, you know, I've got a hundred 30.
Yes.
Some 1,000 unread emails. In my inbox. That's a lot. I saw from just, you know, various mailing lists.
Yeah.
I, I think that should stick all junk mail it.
No, there's a whole separate one for spam and that's not counted in that list Right.
Oh.
That's the stuff I literally subscribe to you know I intentionally wanted to get their emails Like BB edit, right?
Wow.
Yeah.
That's like a mailing list for one editor. That only runs on Macintoshes. Let it get all there.
So I just unsubscribed to just a couple days ago. Oh, I don't watch that anymore.
Hello. Yeah.
Hmm. Hey, the Attendance report. We had, the, we had 11 people at the Slack meeting.
This stuff.
Hmm.
Last Thursday. This was You know, down a little bit, but it's, you know, you know, we had 14 a month before, 9 before, in November, you know, so it's been up and so it's not too bad.
Slug was 24 and St. Louis Linux user group was 25 and the new lug was 16, which was pretty decent.
You know, the high last year was 18. So that's. Amazing. Yeah.
Right up against it. She
And. I don't know what else to say about this. Being counts.
Good catch. It counts.
And you know for I always worry about December with the holidays Those are some pretty good numbers. For December.
You know, it's a bunch of people from.
Any idea of like. Ratio of people who don't come from meet meet up people who do come from meet up and long timers Any clue on that?
Okay. Say ask that again.
Well, you know, just kinda if you would think of like. Thank a bit demographically, like in other words.
I mean, where do they come? Like if you if you send out a survey Who did they, where did they come from?
Okay, okay. I'd say I'd say about out of if we have a total of 10 people show new people show up.
Hey, no, find us to meet up. Yeah, other 2 might be for a Google search.
Okay, but what about like the long timers? The people who always go. Than in the group for years.
I think.
Hey, they show up regardless of they don't even bother going the website see what the next meeting is because they know when it's going to be.
Right, but they but they how many of those? Versus how many of the others.
Is it, I'm trying to get it like an idea of the ratio. Like is it mostly long time people or is it?
A Mix.
Mostly, mostly long time people out of, we have. We have 25 people, maybe 3 of them are new.
Okay. Okay. Alright, well, that seems.
Maybe something Yeah, I say new, I say new as from the group of people that have joined us within the last year.
Right, right.
Cause we may have, we may have somebody that, that. They come to a new meeting and they never they don't come back for another they come back to the second available meeting of the month and then then they skip a month or 2 and then they come up.
Whatever. Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, so I would say that's fairly healthy, right? You have a bunch of you have a bunch of long term people and you have new people who sometimes become long-term people. Right?
Yeah. Yeah.
And you still keep getting new people. Right? So I mean, every group is gonna have new people that come and then leave. Right.
And then other people.
Oh, you know, the thing is that I keep hoping it eventually that will have more at the new group will have more than just you know, 11 or 12 or 20 people, you know, why not have, I'm amazed why we don't have 50 people up in the New inexus group.
Yeah.
I mean, cause practically everyone coming in in there says, you know, you know, about half of them, about 2 thirds of them have been using Linux for a year.
The other one third and they coming in because they heard about this thing called Linux. They want to know how to get started.
Right.
You know, that's and that's the purpose of the new Linux. You know, everyone would come in is that, you know, they're, kicked off at Microsoft, 10 at 11, you know, they want to get the hell away from that.
Right, so I would just recommend, maybe some other free marketing. We don't have to pay that money for a, we could still do it.
You know.
Which is what?
Well, I mean, that goes back to what Gary was talking about before, right? Like, You kind of have to have a media.
You have to have these days to get anybody. You have to have a social media presence. Right? So it's not just a website anymore.
And a mailing list, you've got to have You gotta have a Twitter account, you have to have Facebook account, you have to have a Mastodon account.
Well, I, you know, I've got the, what you call it. Account. The Twit TV that it uses, not, on the other one.
Bass mail?
No.
Oh, you mean, That one. Okay, is it is it is it?
Yeah, yeah, I've got But I have, you know, what I feel reluctant to say, oh, by the way, come the new, sloop got us and or new linux.org or whatever.
I don't. Yeah, I don't have a
So, my question is, is that just you? This is that just in. Whatever your handle is on
Or is it is it the officials loop one?
No, it's Stan R. We.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You need to have a Like you kinda have to have a social media coordinator or whatever, right?
Whose job it is, right, to make sure.
Oh, you gonna get scan another job? Stan loves getting another job. Holy, fuck.
I didn't say stand. I just said like some young. Like a young
I know, but who else is good? We don't have George is not here, is he?
Okay, we've, we've had. 2 people had take a half step towards that. I mean, James Conroy.
We're trying to move towards doing it a little bit. And then he got, Sean Twe house to.
To help and and they did create is it a mastodon account? Shows you how often I go look at it.
See the mastodon and discord, maybe it's both for all I know.
But so they've kind of taken on the role. But every month I asked them, you know, any activity?
Like, no, we posted the title of the meeting this week. Nobody was blind responded.
Well, they set it up and gave us access to it and then they left it, bandit it.
What are their mouths too?
Well, if you can find out what that is, you know. I'll follow it and then I can re.
Okay.
Cool.
Repost it or whatever. That at least gets to 61 people to see it. Plus everybody on faucet on dot or G.
Which is, you know, that's, that's a fairly large group. I don't know.
It's not the biggest one. That's under social. Is the biggest one, but faster than that or G is which free and open source software.
It's their mastodon thing. They got a lot of bigwigs in there.
So You know, they all of those people. But I, you know, I don't know what the handle is, otherwise I'd follow it.
Well, and there's so many of these things, I can't keep them straight in my mind.
I can't. We've got a some kind of Google thing. And, month before last, I post, I uploaded the.
The recordings for And right away we got, you know, 25 people watched the video at another. One video and another.
15 watch the other video.
Okay. People.
Are you saying you posted it up on YouTube or onto Google somewhere?
I don't know.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, well.
I think it was on, I think we've got a Google channel. No, I think it's a YouTube channel, okay?
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Hey, you probably posted your favorite porn channel instead. That's why people were watching it.
Good day. Okay, take care.
Yeah, it could be, yeah. Well, Levi know about the, is that, or James?
To email me or put it up on discuss or something.
That's where there's
Yeah. And you can post it to gay porn.com if you would.
I mean, I mean, blind, blind, blind.
I don't have access to gate. Oh blindport.com. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
There's a long story, we won't go into that. But anyway, yeah, I'll,
I'll go on to discuss and I'll ask them. For the handle for.
Yeah. But I mean, you know, and I, keep. The thing is.
We've been taking taking these videos and we've been putting it up on our archives. It is anybody looking at these stamps?
Everybody, every once while somebody say, oh, I can't make the meeting tonight. Is it being recorded somewhere?
We say, yeah. It's here. Go look. Do they go and look?
Does anybody look at this shit? I don't know. We don't have any way to count it on our web page.
Do we?
There's no, it doesn't, it's not in the server logs.
Well, it is, but you gotta, you gotta pull it out.
Oh, okay, okay.
I don't know how to do that. Don't have time to figure it out.
That's it. Yes, standards is command line utility called.
Okay.
Yeah, I've heard of that. I've read even read the damn man page, but I don't have time to.
TREP Yeah. Okay. Just. Just, you know, you know.
Maybe we can get Mike Knight to do it.
Oh wow, I didn't have that name in years.
Yeah, I'm sorry for. Going off here.
I set up HIT report 10 years ago. But it doesn't tell you what it tells you the top which your robots, texts.
Right.
Yeah.
But there's no, it doesn't give you any kind of ranking on. What the page download was.
Huh.
Gotcha.
What's the software that's running the website? In Genetics or Apache or a.
Where's that?
Hey, do we need to put anything else here?
See, where did we go off? It's all edge fault.
Good.
Yeah, it's all the big counts for the meetings. We're talking about we need to
I was try, I was trying to be a, you know, a constructive.
Yeah, we know, we know. We can use all the help we can get.
And let me. Thanks. I really thanks because it we keep these numbers and . It We do need more brain cells to help analyze them.
I keep saying I'm gonna One of these, and I'm gonna load a whole bunch of this into.
Spreadsheet and make some graphs just because
What the hell is statistics do you any good to you if you don't have more monkeys to do the work?
Right, not much.
We need, we need more Indians, not enough more chiefs.
That sounds like a good topic on this coming Wednesday's meeting. Is Sam said the base meeting, the base tutorial.
Instead of the regular tutorials, can it just be? Like a sort of a summary and request for help on the on the upgrade.
Road now. A roadmap or timeline for the for the, upgrade or whatever.
For Bach, right? Well, I'm just saying that while in there you could say, well, don't just volunteer for that, but We need help in the, and if, if you're good with data science or data analysis, we need help with that.
Nope, that'd be worthwhile.
Or deleting, you know, spurious, meet up people. You know, just take an hour out of your out every week and help us out.
Okay, for the. Meeting review comments for January. We had a steercom meeting on the 30 January.
We were there. We are here now. So whatever.
I don't know what else to say about that.
Yup, no one died.
Yeah. I didn't have any comments about the January Slack meeting. I can't remember what that I recorded. I don't know what the hell happened.
So it doesn't matter. The slug meeting, Ed did a great thing on history of the shell.
Thanks, Ed. That was interesting.
Yeah, I, Yeah, I like the history type thing going back. How did we get to this point?
That was good at I like really liked the review and how I think came together.
Yeah.
Yes.
I'm I'm I'm really in the history of technology and software right I mean that's like one of my my favorite side projects.
That I do.
Anyway, Ed, Ed sent me the talking points and I made the slides for him and did the slide rotation while while he talked and after the meeting he he sent all his reference notes and I added those put those up on our archives page for people to look at if they cared.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's a bunch of there's a bunch of links there. I don't know if the links made it into link links or just HTTPS.
Words, you know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't check it.
So it's just a text file, right? You just download it.
Yeah, I mean, but.
Oh, so it's not a web page is what I'm saying.
Yeah, it's just a just a text file. It's up on the archive. It's I called it reference.
Yeah, just thinking maybe. Maybe I should, turn it into like a markdown and then, convert that to, a HTML.
No, no, no. No, don't bother because with the browser you can actually just click on the text URL and it knows.
You can. Oh, I did not know that. I thought you had to have a actual A tag there.
Chrome.
No, at least Firefox you can. I, you know, and I think you can do the same with the with the, brave, I think.
You know. Okay.
Hmm, okay. All right. Well, if that works then You know, if people have any problems with it, let me know and I'll reform in it.
Yeah.
Yeah, a few months from now I'll do another one, a history of something.
Yeah.
Thanks. That was great. And you liked it.
And for the main. Sean, Tweethouse did the system D timers better than Kron.
And that was good.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of stuff I had no clue about. Yeah.
And that history getting back to the history thing real quick. I've been researching, my latest fund project has been researching.
Yeah.
Super computers. The history of all the super computers. This kind of this kind of dovetailed off of or fan tailed off of the history of the shell because I mentioned one of the very first super computers in there.
Project whirlwind. And That got it start in 1944.
Before they hit.
Yeah, Steve, would be interested because he used to work for What's your,
In CSA.
Grey?
Now the What was that super computer with? Yeah, he used to work for Craig.
Oh really? Well maybe you could do one. That'd be even better. He's got first day in knowledge.
Yeah, yeah, I think you'd be better.
Okay, yeah.
He gives you a lot of source information, but I think. I see your coverage, and to include what he could tell you would probably be better.
Yeah.
Okay. The weird thing is, is like in my phone right now, I have a computer that's over 100 times more powerful.
Then the third generation, Craig.
Yeah.
100 times.
See.
Yeah.
Yeah. So, and they have the top 500 and it's jumping back and forth between. America Japan And we don't know about China.
Like China is keeping their stuff under the road, but they apparently they're in the exit flop.
Range really interesting. I mean that's what is it? Quintillion floating point operations per second.
Please.
Yeah.
We think that China has the fastest super computer right now but they just won't tell anybody. But otherwise it's either America or Japan.
Wow.
Well, the problem is they're, they're, they're super computer is, is their, AI is, become self-aware and it wants to do 2 days back.
Yeah.
That's gonna, gonna kill us all. Okay.
Oh, it was the effect before it kills everybody.
Oh, right, right.
I don't know if you all remember there was a movie I want to say probably right around 1960 colossus the 4 been project That was good.
Yeah.
That's my favorites. Yeah.
Oh yeah, that was actually I was gonna put that, I was gonna put that in the reference deck or whatever.
Computer.
Yeah, project 4. It was the Forbin project. Colossus was the name of the, of the yeah, huh.
And that was actually, that was actually named.
Right.
After the Maybe the end of the movie, Colossus. Realize that there was a computer named Guardian that the Soviets and the Com Chi built and all of a sudden, Colossus, there is another.
I want to talk to her.
Right, right. Yeah, that was, yeah, it was more of a horror, you know, story, but, it was the Colossus was actually called that.
Oh!
Because it was named for the Colossus computer that was built at Bletchley Park. To crack the the Lorentz cipher not the enigma cipher but they the much harder to correct Lauren cyber And, and the thing is when the movie came out Nobody in the world you know, outside of A few, you know, top secret people knew about that process project or the It was built by Tommy
Oh really?
Flowers. It was a, engineer for the British Post Office, which was their telephone company.
And he was contracted by Bletchley to build that that computer. And they ended up building, I think, 9 or 10 of them, and they destroyed all the 2.
And the, and they took the 2 to, base that I was actually at at Cheltenham in the UK.
I was there for one day. With the with the admiral from our nate from our navy he had to go there for a meeting so I just hung out in the in the tech lab but I did not realize when I was there that that's where the Colossus computer was at.
Oh my gosh.
That was amazing. But yeah, that was that was named they the people who named that on the movie knew about Colossus, but they didn't reveal it, right, until until it was declassified and like the very late nineties or early 2,000.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay.
Anyway, Sean's,
Sorry.
Yeah, it's just something, was mentioned by attendees during both the new Linux and the Slack meetings.
Oh, that's, that's a good sign. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, so there's some cross pollenization there that's good. And, well, the thing about the, both those meetings that, Some of the guys, you know, the Sean and, and Tony and, and a couple of the other guys, they'll come to the other meetings and, Well, and if once we get past the, we don't have any real newcomers
here, what do we talk about kind of thing? Don't talk about other things and they'll call, all mentioned are their meetings and so forth.
You were the Gary you were there at the Slack meeting and we got off on a tangent after the new guys left And what we talk about, we talked about.
Sister, what is system D stuff or? I forget. I just looked at the damn thing this afternoon.
Hello.
Let's go, and, just. Yeah.
For the, Yeah.
I know I got notes about it, but I don't have a notebook in front of me.
Yeah. Yeah, anyway.
But yeah.
The more you guys should show it to show it those meetings. I mean, Ed, you've been at the beginner meeting in the Slack meetings and you know, they can get, interesting.
Oh yeah.
Plus, It's helpful to have somebody with some experience help with the me and Phil. You know, if Phil's not there, I can't even spell the equipment or
Okay.
Yeah, I'm hoping Phil's, schedule has settled, you know, now that he's permanently in ourkansas, you know.
I think that the trick with him is to remind him to go to the meetings
Yeah. Yeah. And the office shows up late if you don't, you know.
See yeah, he was at the newcomer meeting in January, but he didn't show up for like almost an hour, but he didn't show up for like almost an hour after it started.
And that and I had sent him. Text message called both of his phone numbers and an email. Right.
And then, you know, then he just showed up.
Yeah. And I think that was after I called it.
Yeah, you call them too. That's right. So anyway, but yeah. I think if we contact them ahead of time, he'll be there.
More than likely.
Yeah. Anyway, the Go on moving right along the St. Louis loops uses group for 18 January Steve Lambark did a thing introduction to Hadoop.
I thought the presentation flow is a bit erratic. What do you what do you think, Gary? What do you have to say about it?
Hey, second, he's getting a beer. Sorry about that.
Oh damn, I didn't know what could have beers. I got a beer up so I could have gotten a beer.
Good.
Yes, asking about asking about the Hadoop. Hello, Mark. Yeah.
Wow.
You want me to push your name to this or not?
No. Okay.
He's done better. Let's put it that way.
Okay, that's a good, that's a good crazy yes, thank you. Well, well, okay, we have to give him a little bit of space because it's hardware is totally screwed.
What?
Oh yeah, yeah. Is hardware was totally screwed and lost his presentation.
But you know, it just seems, you know, it just seems like people never listen. If you want to use a new hardware setup, you might want to test it more in 5 min before you need it.
I mean, I can remember calling Lee what was early in late morning because you turned it on a late morning.
And so we could be testing. Yeah. And then you looked, there was no activity on it. So you're turned it off.
So yeah, and you don't.
Okay.
Can, can I make a quick suggestion here? I was wondering about this. This is something that has come up for me before and presentations that I've done not at slug but is it okay to have like a page somewhere on the website?
Which is guidelines for presenters, right? And it should be like, okay, what you just said, you know.
Don't use new untested hardware. Or, you know, have a reliable system that you know works, right?
And you know, Stan has put together a nice Sheat like that and and he always tells me to make sure a new presenter has it and to tell you the truth.
I haven't. I haven't given it out to anybody recently because Lambark does about 3 or 4 presentations a year for us.
And that guy Ed Holland, he's been around forever. And all of our presenters recently have been old hands yeah so see I
No, I was just suggesting, and like, a page on the website or something, you know, like say, hey, you know, if somebody volunteers, maybe it's their first time or maybe it's the first time volunteering for a slug, meeting.
They could say, oh, you know, if you need any help with setting up or like, you know, what to do, what not to do that kind of thing.
Okay.
We got a little guide for you, a little guideline. Yeah, I'd be willing to, Co author that because I don't have that that sheet you're talking about but you know we could turn it into a nice web page.
And I think you hit the nail on the head because yeah, we We put together these crib sheets before, but you're right, we should turn it into a into a web page, just have it out there.
On the site and If people stumble into it fine, otherwise we just tell the presenters go to this stage.
Please read it. I like it.
Okay, that email me that and I'll take a look at it.
What are you talking about?
Yeah.
It's a crib sheet. You know, if you want to present. What should you do and not do?
Okay.
Yeah.
Like one thing I found out from Stan, he's really good at this. Spell check everything.
Okay. Because I've brought it to the spell checker. And you still phone mistakes.
But what I found out is that my spell checker, it doesn't find things like duplicate words like the the you know like you say something does the thing right right you know it doesn't it doesn't that is spelled correctly but there's 2 of them
Yeah.
And when you get doing from a screen reader perspective, it's, you know, a little difficult sometimes to tell that that's there.
Yeah. Yeah.
There used to be a piece of software that I forget the name of it. But Microsoft. Morning and and drove it into the ground and it and it's
Yeah, dumbed it down. Put that way and supposedly it's in there. In their word processing thing, but it piece of crap.
Whatever. It was one of the few things that that I I would be willing to pay money for if it's still available.
What was his staff?
I can't remember the exact name of it, but they would tell you it would, you could turn it on, it would tell you.
Oh yeah.
What level reading level you were your your writing was that? You know, and it would say, oh, you're writing at the high school level.
You're writing at it. An eighth grade level, you're writing at a 2 year college level of.
I understand you realize that would never work.
Oh, I used it. I loved it.
No, no, I mean anybody younger than us is barely above second grade reading. They'd be insulted.
Oh, that's true. That's, unfortunately that is very true. Shit
Does, does, does, does, labor office have any kind of grammar checker? I know they got a spell checker.
But I don't.
I don't think so.
Oh, wow.
I don't think so. I think the name of this software might have been dramatic or something like that.
Grammatic or grammarly.
How much? Grandma Teak.
Yeah.
Oh, grammatique, okay.
That's been around for a bunch of years. I remember the first time I got exposed to it.
This was great. At St. Louis you They had assigned particular professors in the non-engineering disciplines.
To teach engineering students. Because knowing no engineering student wants to take damn English class, you know, philosophy and stuff like that.
So anyway, the English teacher who was assigned to do engineers came up to me one day and said, okay, what I want you to help me with this.
I got this new software. It's called, and I'm like. You got software? You're an English professor.
What the hell do you know about So, and yeah, so it was this thing. Check your grammar and It's like, okay, so we set it up on the computer.
And what we did is we had it when when the kids would have to turn in there essay for this week.
And fine, he'd run it through Grandma Teak and he would, you know. Give a printout back to the students which you know had The computer had typed out, you know, what was wrong with this sentence.
And he had it all planned. You know, he figured These kids are getting, these kids are all engineers, After the second week, they're gonna look at this and go, wait a second.
He's not grading these papers by hand. There's a computer doing this because it's always the same message for the same area.
There's some sort of computer program. That's right. All we got to do is reverse engineer this and figure out the rules it uses.
And we could use these papers.
So basically he was kind of off outsourcing his actual grading work to a computer program.
Exactly! And the thing is, you know, it's like, well, it's just, The the rules
No, he's doing was checking the grammar. He wasn't checking the the technology .
The
Or the content. Yeah, yeah. Right.
Right? But the thing is, the students figured they were borderline cheating by trying to reverse engineer it and figure out what the rules he was using to grade the papers and it's like the rules he's using the great the papers are what he's lectured on the whole frigging week.
He's telling you the rules. So.
Yeah.
Well, you know, whatever way they learn is the way they learn. If you, you know, if you, trick them into cheating and they get their point across.
Exactly, exactly.
Cool.
It was a whole lot more fun for the students to figure out they were reverse engineering it.
Well, they were they were engineering students. That's why they got into that field.
Exactly.
Anything else about Steve?
Landmarks. Presentation.
Seems like there should be, like you said.
Well, I said originally there was a lot of information.
But I don't know for anything to manage about it, you know. Not being structured very well.
Order just didn't have the time to put put something together. Maybe.
It almost had that to, oh sure, yeah, I can do something on that. I know it's so well, but it's like.
No one can so well and trying to do a presentation off the cuff sometimes don't work. Yeah.
Yeah, cause he made the comment that, I don't need a presentation I'm gonna do show a bunch of websites.
Yeah.
Stan always makes the point that not only should you be numbering the slides But if there ain't slides, probably haven't really figured out what you're gonna talk about.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Would you believe that's a wrong number? And he keeps trying. No, she keeps you acting with me.
Some gal in LA.
Okay, the new Linux usage group. I have some. Oh shit.
Yeah.
I thought I wrote something up on this thing.
Did I put it in the wrong place?
No, yes.
Well, we had, A man and a woman and another woman. That were newcomers.
Yeah. Nolly.
Dory or not Dory? Dolly, right. And then there was. Another woman, I don't remember what her name was, and I think her husband was there too.
Yeah.
Or partner anyway, right? And, but Dally was kind of interesting. Because she She wanted to learn about the Linux kernel.
Like the source code for the Linux kernel. Because she wanted to. Quote unquote, ethically hacked.
Okay.
You know, so I was like kinda nervous like should we be told her this stuff? Are we spawning a new you know cyber criminal?
But, yeah, I guess she was, I guess she was, you know, serious about just, you know, cybersecurity is, is a burgeoning field, right?
So I think a lot of people want to get into that.
Well, I, did tell her that I had just completed the I tech Pro TVs, ethical hacking.
Oh, you did? Okay.
Of course. Yeah, I know it's 40 some hours long videos.
Hmm.
And I, you know, I can't remember half of it, but you know. You know, there's, there are avenues and we, did talk about the avenues.
How to go about doing this stuff, right? You know? And she's, you know, she showed up at the Slack meeting also.
So, yeah.
Oh, she did. Okay. See, I, I was wondering if she was gonna come back.
Oh yeah, yeah, we didn't scare off. I guess, you know, in our 24 day deodorant didn't quit, so whatever.
Okay. Yeah, she was really keen on it. She wanted to get into the nitty gritty of the Linux kernel.
Yeah. Well.
That's up is way beyond me.
Well, you know, It's I'll tell you, I see more. Intense is the IT Pro TV has a an additional Okay, course on.
Oh.
Internet of Things hacking. We actually get into. You get into using some of the tools and you and you you break you physically take apart these these little chips and whatever.
And you can go in there and you can Reverse engineer and and pull data from from the actual tips that are there in there.
And essentially like, Okay, I'd say, 90% of the, bio stuff is all written, half of the stuff is there is all very, very similar to to a Linux.
Distro in itself because it got they've even got little kernels in there that work the same life It's crazy.
And, that is a much, I finished that too. And, Just enough to go along and see what the hell they're talking about and, you know, it's stuff that I would never use.
But it's stuff like the Phil bunch was into that, he could be into that kind of thing.
Hello.
You know, cause he, cause you wind up using, meter readers and, things like that.
And there are specific little programs you use. It's a No, it all goes back to this stuff like, you know, the project core boot kinda stuff.
It's all, there, folks. Scary as hell.
Yeah, open firmware is a good idea. We don't know what's really going on on our computers under the hood.
Yeah. Yeah.
Wish we had somebody that was in knowledgeable about that could give a presentation on it That would be great.
Yeah.
I don't think there would be any way to dumb it down enough so more than one or 2 people could understand it.
Well, I've got a video on the, with the guys named Midnicks. His name? He did a presentation.
I got it from it is from a conference he did in Europe in 2,017. Hey, it's all talking about this stuff that's beyond Kor Boot.
You know, is that all this UAF stuff? Is this as far as, like, you know, there's stuff in there.
That every one of the. Hardware vendors are writing code and adding in their own versions of stuff and making all kinds of mistakes and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, the They would.
And it's you know it's scary as hell. Yeah, and there's stuff in there that it's undocumented, you know, the only people has got the documentation, they give the documentation to the to the vendors like Dell and HP and they write shit to put in their UAF bio stuff.
And it's, it's crap. You know?
There was a comment that was made by. So you guys know about Solaris. And that comes from Sun OS, right?
We've heard of them, yeah.
Which originally came from, I think, Berkeley or something, right? Right. Okay, so.
When Oracle gobbled up the sun. A bunch of people defected from from a joint company.
I know one of them personally, but the other guys went off to form a little venture and they produced a thing called Illuminos.
Have you guys heard of that?
It's like a fork of open Solaris. Open some layers does not very open. Because it's owned by Oracle, right?
Yeah.
So, and so, but it's a fork of that. And it's been around for a bunch of years.
And it has spawned. A number of other open source. Variance one of which is called I believe Omni-OS?
I'm not sure about that. And then from there they spot another one called Helios.
So HELI OS. And that is totally written in rust. And it was just a few days ago.
Open sourced on GitHub. And the guys behind that project. Oh, used to either work at Sun or they worked on the, Luminos Project when it first, when it first got going.
And that one thing that Guy said was really interesting saying to what Stan said. Was they're putting it on brand new hardware.
In other words, this is an off-the-shelf hardware. This is not like a Dell server this is all server hardware.
So it's not a Dell server and HP server or anything like that, right? It's stuff that they're making.
Right? So they have total control. Right? They have total control of every single chip they put in there, the entire firmware, the BIOS, everything.
And the first thing they said in this thing when they were talking about it, this is a podcast I'd listen to.
They said, well, we decided not to use UFI. And the reason why is because the Linux people don't like it and we don't like it either.
Yeah.
So they went their own way, right? They still secure boot, right? But it's like a totally open standard secure boot like anybody can Yeah.
And the thing that annoys me, there's so many that new computers have got this UIF crap.
It's becoming extremely more difficult. Hello, Linux on the damn things because the UAF.
Snoop is getting worse.
Well, the the major distros keep track of it. I've never had a problem with Another board.
True. True. That's true.
Yeah, open to and SUSE in redhead. They all, yeah, they're.
But, and it has become a little more complicated for me to try. To load stuff on if it's a brand new.
Machine.
Well, the first thing you do is go into BIOS and see if it's got a legacy boot.
Option.
Yeah, yeah, but they're getting to the point where they're not gonna allow that anymore.
Good. There's I've been reading that some of the the major vendors. It's the buy, the UIF is not gonna allow you to turn itself off, turn it off.
Then you go, then you build your own.
Yeah, that's true. The problem is, you see, you know, how many people that would like to be new.
To Linux won't be able to because I've got this machine that. And then you, what point do you tell me?
You're gonna have to build your own machine. Yeah, a couple of years down the road. I don't know.
It's possible. You know, I don't know.
Or bit one of the Linux vendors like. what's that company that does pop OS?
System 76 and there's the screen. That glow. That, that, I think, they're global, I think.
That work, you know, that where the.
I can't remember. yes, Right. Oh, the framework of PC that you build.
Okay. We're customized, I guess, right?
Yeah. Yeah. And even they are not far enough down the road yet to abandon Yeah, they're working toward that, I think.
Okay. Who knows?
We've got completely away from from the agenda, folks.
Yeah, guys, we spent an hour and a half, yacking and making what? We're online.
We're 40% through. The meeting.
Now just looking at the 43% lower right.
Yeah. Yeah. You're right, 43%. And we haven't even got into meeting schedule.
Oh, Jesus. God.
Oh, yeah, okay. The Slack meeting. I wanted to talk there. I did make notes on this.
Last Thursday. So you had one first time and 1 s time attendee if you. Because we could not provide the good solutions.
Otherwise, there were many.
Oh, Not many hardware and software. Issues that we that we could Answer. The ballot was not yet available.
I explained that the Oh, there were some questions and discussion about system D, journaling logs. And I did a demonstration of using PNF to navigate info pages.
And they were questions asked about the, what the hell was they asked about? I don't know.
Okay. That's about the drop dead date for the upgrading of back to Debian 11.
That was not yet available, but I explained that the, would be made available online and would be available for counting.
To before the next, Steering committee meeting. And.
Hey, Gary described the slute base. Session time is quickly covering required annual meeting and brief review of the Debian.
Upgrade paying. And. Where is it?
Also, the main topic would be continuing growth of artificial intelligence by Scott Grennan. So I did, make some notes there.
Okay.
Did you ever get an abstract from him on that? Cause it's coming up next week.
Gary?
He's in dispose.
Okay. And. We have not as of. For the meeting we had not got anything I haven't checked lately
So, no, he hasn't sent us an abstract yet. No.
Okay.
Tonight, you know, where it's steer come and. So, 4 teeth is gonna be, we're gonna have to have our required annual meeting.
No, I guess.
Lee. That'd be primarily you're gonna have to, well, you're gonna call all the shots on that because a lot of the questions are gonna It'd be about stuff that you're gonna have to know what you want to do.
Or decide which. So I'm afraid that they're gonna be a lot of questions. The only person that can answer them is gonna be you, right?
Right now I got a minor problem. I can't. Figure out how to snap to do a snapshot.
I mean the snapshot of what we got.
Yeah, to clone it.
Yeah, okay, understood. Yeah That can be here.
Yeah.
So the existing Debian server is Is that running in any kind of VM or something or?
Okay.
Yeah, it's a VM. And I don't have it option to clone it.
And I don't have an option to clone any of the VMs on that machine. And so far I haven't been able to figure out why.
Yeah, I got like 5 or 6 hosts that. Don't have a clone option.
Hmm.
What's it? What are you running it with? I guess if you understand like. Question.
In other words, what, was it Vmware, Virtual Box or what?
Yeah, yeah.
No, it's Zen.
Then, okay.
Okay. Oh.
Yeah.
And that the host is open SUSA or something. Okay.
Okay.
Yeah. I've never actually ran Zen.
But.
Well, it's one of the options when you build a host. And it's always been my go to.
Because it's the only it's the only open source virtualization tool. All the red hat crack at Red Hat crap is so proprietary.
I won't I won't touch it.
Right.
What was the question for Gary? He just came back.
Well, there's
Did Scott Grant a man send the abstract yet?
Not the last I checked. Stand by. I will check one more time.
Nope.
Yeah. Lee, can you see that? I said Bach is on Zen virtual machine.
That right?
Actually.
Thanks.
Yeah. It's on open sushi host with, Zen. Hello.
Can you go the old fashioned route? You know, like, what are those programs that We'll just sort of copy.
It's not like DD or anything, but what it does is like it goes through the like Phil knows about this, the the sub directories.
And it like creates compressed. Archives and if you then take it to a new machine and run the reverse.
You get a clone of the of the stuff, but it wasn't like a physical like, like a disc clone it was just recreation of all the files.
And directly.
Right.
Well, you're not recreating file that you've got the VM configuration. And then you've got the actual.
Okay.
VM itself. The, you can use the configuration to recreate the machine on another. In another another host and then you can restore backup to it.
But I don't wanna do that. I'm trying to figure out how to either clone it or.
Do a snapshot that we can then start as another VM.
Right, and then upgrade that if something goes wrong, you've always got the ability to restore it again.
Right.
Right. Okay. That's a good point. Okay, yeah, sorry.
I was thinking of going a different route, but okay
Right.
Yeah.
Well, that's something we can talk about and see if anybody has any suggestions.
But, but I wanted to, you know, I made some notes here. It's our official annual meeting.
Required by the Charter. I have not yet finished the ballot. I need to have it done by the fourteenth.
I think I may have enough time to do that by then folks also. Can we, can we? Huh?
They did, man. That's 8 days. And it goes by like that.
I know, I know, I know what that's on my top of my list for tomorrow. We will, I think didn't last year or the year, couple of years before we had a specific email address that people can mail ballots to.
I don't remember. I can we can create one.
I think. Yeah, I think so. And, that's in my mind that we did it that way.
And we ain't even got a ballot or 2 that way. And we, we, will need to explain that ballots sent by email are not anonymous nor secret and that ballots set by email are not anonymous nor secret and that ballots sent through the email are not anonymous nor secret and that ballots sent through the US Postal Service mail can be handled as anonymous and.
And secret.
But they have to get to the, they have to get to, the,
Our post office box prior to the. The counting on the at the next steering committee meeting. Think so that'll be something that we can explain then.
Yeah.
You know, so.
Yeah.
Oh, so you're talking about the March. Hearing committing me. Okay, so the whole month of February they can vote.
Yeah. And, like, you know, and they can get, or they could show up at the steering committee and hand in a paper ballot and we could count it then because the way we do it is we take all of the stuff that comes in and envelopes part of the process is They have to put their name and address or whatever, something on the outside envelope that We can identify as them as attending a
meeting. The previous calendar year. And then those are. Se, separated by the date because people can.
Submit multiple. Ballots and we'll only. Take and accept the latest one, throw the others away.
And then we open the envelopes and take the the ballot out and we don't look at them and put them in a pile.
And then we fix them all up. That way they're anonymous.
That makes sense.
We've done that in the past. But, you know.
You don't even glance at them, you don't say, oh, I see this guy voted for Stan.
The problem is if we only get you know like 5 ballots it's kinda hard to not know.
Okay.
Right. Yeah, like if you get 5 balance and like and 3 of them are for one guy, right?
You going, okay. Pretty good idea who the, you know, who voted for.
Yes.
But who cares? You know, it's not like it's not like it's, you know, it's not like it's, it's a super important.
Oh, you know, a lot of people don't even care who who's run the show because they don't wanna do any of the work.
Right on.
That was like it in the New Hampshire primary. There's one particular city that likes to be first, so they do their voting at midnight on the on that day.
First thing in the morning.
So is that for both Republican and primary or just? Hello.
Well, this year, the Democrat, or only the Republicans, the
Right. Right.
Oh, cause they didn't have a New Hampshire Democratic primary. They did in South Carolina, but not in South Carolina, but not in South Carolina, but not in, right, okay.
And, and, but there are only 6 people in that town who vote. Yeah, the only 6 who voted this time.
And, so. The results were 6 to nothing, so pretty well no.
Who voted for who? Okay. Hello.
Yeah. Okay. No, so that's, the brief update there.
And Scott Graham is stuff confirmed, but we don't have an abstract yet, so.
Okay.
Maybe go back to the election for one moment. So last year. Stanley.
Paul.
Yeah. He, He won a board seat. And he is never been at any kind of a meeting, not a steering committee, not a board meeting.
It's this.
No meetings in the last year. I did. Physically run into him, Rich Seibel and I saw him at, 3 different concerts.
So we know he's still alive and I did mention to him twice but it was during the music that by the way stay in you want a board seat you might want to show up at least say hi and I never got any real reaction from him.
It was kind of like, oh really? Oh yeah, and it wasn't the oh god no I'm not gonna ever fill that board seat are oh good.
So Oh
Why did he beforehanded he actually physically run like put his name and drop his put in a
I put him on the ballot because he did I put him on about it because he did not send me $20
Yeah.
Okay.
I thought, I thought that was a myth. That was a real thing.
Okay.
Now I'm gonna add people onto this ballot that have, Well, I've been saying, you know, if you don't send me $5 or $10 or something, I'm gonna put you, you know, I may put your name on the ballot, you know?
Why not?
So anyway, I will try and reach him on the phone here this week and so but.
Why?
Yeah.
Well, just to make it formal. Because I mean we were talking about formalities and technically he did with election so unless he formally says no I'm not going to I guess you know technically he's still on the board.
But, we, we may wind up looking for.
Yeah.
Hmm. Well, if he's not on the board, what do we have? We have to vote.
We have to find another name to fill fill his board seat.
I, you know, I had to go back and read the bylaws that we may have said that the other 4 board members can.
Fill vacancy until the next election. Or something like that. I don't remember with them.
Is it a 2 year, term?
Yeah, 3 year.
Per year. 3 years.
3 years.
Okay.
I think you disappoint somebody. Yeah, I think that's what we wind up doing. Yeah. Hello.
Oh, by the way, I, by the way, I'm wondering, I have not read the, the bylaws in years.
Is there anything that says that the voting has to be done in person?
Okay.
Can we, can we legally do absentee, or even care? Or we just make up rules as we go along?
I didn't let her I think. Yeah, I don't think it specified.
Okay.
I mean, you gotta go back and think when we wrote the bylaws. There was no such thing as email.
I mean, there may have been, but it was in its absolutely nascent stage. So, we had no concept that people would.
Where's Rich McClellan when we need him?
Chris Rich McCall.
Attend. Pardon me. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, Unix, started before. I mean at the same time as the internet but they didn't get the internet.
In other words there wasn't a TCP IP stack on Unix for quite some time.
Yeah, it was all, you, was a UUCP. No, was that it?
Do you?
Yeah.
Yeah, UUCP was used for what they called email. Right. And that's kind of where they, I think that's where the ad sign came from.
I don't remember if that's true or not, but yeah. But anyway, the TCP IP, the email that we have now.
Right, I think that probably originated with Bill Joy at the Berkeley. Okay. Okay.
Yeah, you know back then there wasn't there was no concept of a network so everybody had email on their local machine.
Right.
Oh, I never did check that whether or not we formerly, I think there was really.
An announcement anywhere of who won the damn elections. I think I did change the Our web page is said who the board members were.
What else?
I think I changed it. I don't know. Oh, this time around we probably should make that part that part of the process after the election.
You still don't need a VR? Or as I can tell, I guess we literally saw him at 3 different concerts and it was basically Yeah.
Hey, Sam, pull the chair. You can sit with us. And so we sat there during the music.
Yeah.
Oh, by the way. Okay. Oh, by the way.
Oh yeah, oh by the way, yeah. But I mean, at the end of the concerts, he basically picked up his chair and left right away so We're good.
Have an extended conversation about it.
And honestly, we've had. Years that went by that we didn't need. A quorum.
For that or board of governors to approve anything.
Right.
I think there was even one time that we we had to call somebody and Say, oh, we need your vote on this decision.
I mean.
I don't remember. Well, exactly who it was. And.
That this month. Yes. Oh, you do good job, I thank you.
Sounds like I only get to finish the abstract. He's got, he's got a nifty title.
I mean, Continued growth of AI or you look on the website.
No, that's the title I came up with with what he gave us. Hey, KAY.
Yeah. Are we gonna skip the base and just through Q&A so we get some extra half hour?
We're skipping the base in the sense of the base is going to consist of You saying it oh, we're gonna upgrade.
You're gonna get 30 questions.
Which is fine. Yeah. You know, just enough to get people interested enough to the point that they say, yeah, I'd like to hear more about this.
And then the other thing we're gonna mention there's an election this month. Here's people running.
Here's how it works. You wanna vote? Send in your email to address. Or put it in a white paper on both and put it in US mail, speaking of which.
Do we have it?
Yeah, what?
Email.
Alright, and that reminds me I wanted to get Probably from you, what are. Actual email address is.
Or I'm sorry, a physical US mail address.
Okay.
Box 411302631 full run
And that's pretty that'll be printed on the
Right. Yeah. Well, I gotta send out an email. Just to make sure people know, 4 1 one .
2
And I'll be as part of.
Hey guys, I gotta step out for a minute. I'll be back in a bit.
It's part of the instructions that has been on on the ballot for the last 5 years.
But.
If you wanna mail it, you see post office stress to mail it to.
Okay, we had vote 2022 goes to Stan Gary and me
So I will make it vote 2024.
Okay.
Since we kind of farted off last year.
The problem was nobody cared.
Yeah, really.
Yeah, nobody said, hey, we're, you know, I fake. I think I had something on, an address on the ballot, but nobody.
Email it. So nobody feel out about it to be email.
Okay. Yeah, so Stan R, Slug, Gary at Slug, LVL, at Omni-tech.
Okay. So, vote 2024. Okay.
And let me get rid of the old one.
Alright. Got it.
Okay.
And if you want to add anybody on there, it takes 10 s.
Yeah, I think.
I think as usual, Do a good quality presentation for us even though. Abstract hasn't been worth coming.
Say that. Gary say that again. What?
This is I said I think Scott will do a good quality presentation for us even though he's been Slow on getting us the abstract because.
Yeah.
See that as soon as I mentioned something. He's probably scrambling events.
Webster dropping all their extra people. Okay. I screwed up some. No, it is.
Got too big too fast. And then there's no market to support. Oh, but now they're saying there's actually misappropriation of money. Oh yeah, that's true.
I heard that too.
Alright, so what else we have?
Yeah. Okay.
The, St. Louis Linux users group, we got this guy named Alex Tel. He's going to do a larger thing on large language models.
Which I'm assuming, well, from what I read, it's a little bit more theoretical.
Coverage of this.
Artificial intelligence crap that's going on. I don't know.
Well, it's really not artificial intelligence. All they're doing is improving the algorithms. To make a database of knowledge.
And then massage that answer a question.
Yeah.
Yes, yeah, that's what I should have said. Okay, you're right. Yes.
Yeah.
That's what I should said. It has this much more correct than what I said. Okay.
And Stan, did we ever figure out we know where we got? Alan, Alex told you said this to me is that in that the guy is just sent us an email.
Yeah, he just kinda showed up. I don't know. Is he real?
I have not got some bio from him yet. I'm really suspecting from a couple comments he made.
I get the feeling, yeah, probably. Probably getting his master's degree. Or maybe even a PhD somewhere.
I remember. He says as he is a holder of a Masters.
Anyway, so he writes, in a rather academic style, I would say, so,
I hope he can talk.
Yeah, I hope so. Ask him if we can get her for the session. Yeah, there we go.
Asking what?
If we get college credit for the session. Yeah.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
Hi.
No, I'm kidding. Be a little bit too low grow farm. Oh, the whole clicked, as, Lee said, we hope he's a good speaker.
Yeah. And, we, we can said, you know, we might. During the half and half.
Time, point out that his talk is coming up and it'll be more on the the language model stuff.
As Lee said, right?
Right.
No, don't have me say it because I'll screw it up.
Good.
Did they add drop off?
I don't think so. He said he'd be right back. No, he's still connected.
Okay.
He said he had to make a pitch stop or something.
Yeah.
Yeah, having just done that myself, I know every now and then it takes a moment longer than you plan.
Gary, you don't have any other stuff lined up for March, do you?
No I don't.
Okay, so that's all I've got there is just the raw dates. There's no point in covered much of that.
No. I'm just about to start. Working on that. As you frequently say, okay, Gary, get to the next month and quit picking around with this.
Kind of still pushing on Scott for that abstract and Maybe I can get the.
Okay. That's essentially confirmed. I wrote it down in the minutes is confirmed that can't you believe what we've been writing?
Go on the next day a month. She
Oh no, it's confirmed. As you frequently say, Yeah, but I still I'd love to say that Robert Lovett is taken over publicity and is just running with it and doing wonderful.
Good. But yeah, it's like. Robert.
When I ask them to do a specific thing, if I specify exactly what to do, he does it.
But.
Yeah.
What is nice would take me 5 min of more face for Stan to do. Or 5 min of what more things for Gary to do.
Whereas you spend 15 min getting him to do the 5 min.
3 times.
Well, I'm keep hoping that that means the next month he's just gonna spontaneously grab the reins, go with it.
You don't have.
Yeah.
What's what's what's the old? Bang, wish your one hand shit in the other.
See which one you get the most in? Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, we've been serving real potty mouth today, haven't we?
Okay.
Yes, yes.
Hey guys, I hate to interject a downer but breaking breaking news. You know, old Mary Old England.
Yes. Yes.
They got like, they got like a king now, right? Just diagnosed with cancer.
Yeah. Yeah, I saw that on the news today.
Oh, you did see it. Okay, I didn't know if it's seen it or not.
Okay.
Oh, it was prostate cancer, I think. So no, no, actually that you went in for a large prostate.
And now they say has cancer, but they pointed out it's not prostate cancer. They're not saying what it is yet.
Okay, so it's not related. It wasn't the original, the original inspection. Right.
That's it.
Yeah.
You wait.
Yeah. You're back, so I wanted to, you know, we're done with those comments.
Whatever. March. We're gonna count the ballots. And then the steering committee and it's just dates and Gary doesn't have anything lined up.
So. We're done with all that and now it's on the old business. And let's see.
Anything? Significant about the server. And then we need to mention. Lee.
That dimension, we're working on planning the upgrade.
Okay, so and that's the separate.
Bock up rate. That's the next block here. Sean's created that Wikipedia thing there and I went in today and added at the reference to the bottom.
The list the link to the Debian LTS and lifestyle.
Cause that answers the question of what our drop dead date is. I drop dead date is essentially 30 June.
It's when all security updates for. Debian, Can stop.
After that, we get no more security updates for. For Debian 10.
And that's that we'd covered that before when we first came up with.
And we talked about. The, Bach upgrade back last year, you know.
And we already know hurry, Dan. Oh, whatever. Anything more to say about that?
You know, I was afraid to put that reference. I wanted to put that reference up at the top, but I just went ahead and stuck it at the bottom.
But I just went ahead and stuck it at the bottom there in the reference sexes. So.
By the way, Debian doesn't do an LTS. They just have. Their versions, right?
Like, well, if you look at that link. They list it as as LTS then.
Do nothing.
They do talk about it, they call it LTS. They do call it. Long term.
Support.
Yeah.
Support. Right. That's probably on the security side. So they as opposed to a boon to which actually does an LTS release, but it's for everything.
Yeah, this, they, you go to that link that I've got there, you know, it's the end of life dot date.
Is the you are is the URL slash Debian. And it does list that stuff.
Cause essentially they for the first year or whatever. They, current their kernel team does the security updates. And then after that, they've got other volunteers that do the security updates.
And. And. That stops at 30 June. We're well past the the main security people doing security updates.
Or whatever.
Debian calls them all LTS. Yes.
Hmm. Okay.
I don't know. Do we want to say anything more about the Bock upgrade thing?
Now, we'll just have a discussion next week.
Website maintenance.
That hit report thing gives the numbers and we were, we, we talked about that a little bit earlier.
But they're not deeply informative and they don't tell us. About the presentation archive items.
And.
All it does is give us general traffic and refresh.
Yeah, you know, it doesn't give me what I'm interested in, you know, doesn't tell me.
If anybody is actually looking at. The. Recordings we're putting on the presentation archive page.
Yeah. Am I doing a lot of work for nothing?
No. We've got them for posterity. We can always look at them. Yeah.
That's true. I go back and look at them sometimes. I know a lot of times people will say, I can't make the meeting.
Do you guys record that? I said, yeah, presentation archive page. But. Don't know if they ever go look.
Nobody. So I'm, we should start asking people during the meetings. Does anybody look at those?
Okay.
And not that anybody there is gonna say, no, I never look at him or didn't know what we might say.
Oh, I didn't know we had such thing. We got recordings. Yeah, go look at this page.
I put that page, that. It's it's an I frame link and it's on all the web pages now and it's even on the The Steercom page.
It's on there too, so it's available on all our web pages.
Questions, comments?
Good. Nope, I love it. I think it's great. Wish I looked at more of them.
That I have, but I keep wanting to go back and look at it.
I. I don't know enough of the ins and outs. And maybe you know more about YouTube.
Yeah, I. I hear about people organizations keeping YouTube channels. And putting this stuff out there. I am under the impression that if you Store videos on YouTube you basically lose the rights you obviously can't then say, oh, we're gonna start charging through, you know.
Do we care?
As my understanding, I don't know.
It's a little complicated in terms of whether or not you wanna monetize the video. In other words, if you get over 1,000 views or something like that.
You can, you can turn a switch on. That says, future, so that means that they'll drop ads in the middle of your video or before your video starts and maybe after your video is finished.
Okay.
Sometimes annoyingly in the middle of the video. Which you know and that that's like They get the bulk of that cash.
You get a minor percentage, but But if you're like an open source foundation or something or like we are, 5 1 1 3 C.
I think your 5 1 3 C, right?
Oh.
Be 6 actually. And it doesn't matter to Google. They don't know the difference between a nonprofit and a charitable.
Okay.
They only recognize a 501 c 3
Okay. But anyway, just normally if you don't turn that switch on, then they don't put any adds on.
No, we don't care.
Hello.
Right. I mean, if you're just doing a for posterity, I think that's okay.
I mean, as far as like own content ownership.
And the benefit of our members are anybody that's interested the benefit of anybody that's interested in the stuff we do
Right, right, yeah. And again, We want more engagement, so yeah.
Right. I mean, if And if we were ever close to Not having the benefit of this crazy organization called Omni-tech, which has been hosting us for so many years.
You know, we didn't have our own server anymore. I would definitely say as as a last desperate act, we needed to get all of our archives over into YouTube.
Just so they had a chance. And of surviving but
There are some there if you go there. I mean they're Don't put them up there.
Don.
Okay.
Well, other than the 2 that I did last month and a month before, the last 3 or 4 years are not up there.
Right, right. Yeah, it goes back to like. 2020 or 2019 or something. Yeah.
It could be. I paid. I could I could spend a week in upload all that shit. I could spend upload all of that.
So, and I'm wondering. Would it be an advantage? Are they more easily searchable there?
I mean, I can picture people. Going out on YouTube and you know doing the search bar on YouTube and saying you know Show me talks on, Sousa, show me talks on Debian.
It probably has a better chance of being found on YouTube than it does on our website. Yes, no.
Maybe.
Well. For what you just said. The algorithm that they use for the search results. Doesn't have anything to do with well.
It has very little to do. With your search terms. Right? So in other words, It's they they they will push to the top.
Popular videos or popular channels right so, you know, there's a bunch of people.
On you too who are Linux like Stan knows about them like, DT or a distro guy or whatever his last name is.
Yeah, just throw tube and
You and Lark learn learning linux.tv, Jake, Correl. Yeah.
Yeah, they all they're very you know Nixie picks those people are very very popular And if they've done a talk on Debian or given a video on Debian or something like that.
Yeah, that will show up. Yours will be way down the list. You know, cause you don't have the quote unquote, you know, gravitas, right, to get up in the third rankings.
Sure.
Refutation. Oh, reputation, reputation.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's mainly reputation, but it's also popularity, right? So. Yeah and whatever makes it pop me an obvious reason why nixie pixel is so popular because she's you know in a very attractive woman
Harriet.
So, you know, it's things like that. But also the fact that those guys Put out some of them put out daily content.
Yeah.
And some some of them put out weekly And that's another thing that raises the the, the SEO.
And they edit their stuff.
Of this for the search results. So you'll just be, I mean. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you'd have to really put in a specific.
Search query like. Talked about St. Louis. Linux or, Kubernetes.
Add to St. Louis Unix uses group in their current month or some month, you know, if you put that in there, you probably get a hit.
Hello.
Let me just start for Kubernetes. Right, well, yeah, you're gonna go lost up and we're nice.
Okay.
Maybe it's something we could look at. But. Maybe it's not worth it.
Yeah.
Yeah, again, it's one of those things where You've gotta put the effort in. I mean, but it's like a I mean there's a whole thing right now where people are leaving you too.
I mean it's a whole thing, right? People are just fed up with youtube and now most of these people are people who decided I never thought this was a good idea.
If they'd asked me, I'd have recommended against it, but they thought to themselves, you know, I'm gonna quit my job and I'm gonna become a YouTube star.
Yeah!
Well, they did that, right? They quit their job and they were making like there's a guy in St.
Louis. His name is, Jeff. Oh goodness, I can't remember.
He's a, he does a lot of raspberry pies. Jeff Green, Got it.
Oh, no.
Anyway, he does a lot of raspberry pi stuff. Right? And he's a St.
Louis guy. And he's very, very popular if you've ever searched for anything having to do with the Raspberry Pi or you know IoT stuff or Linux stuff, right?
Is very, very popular. But these guys, they, some barely make a living. Some make a lot of money.
But there's a bunch of people in the middle there right who just are fed up with the algorithm.
It's like they can't, you know, they can't put food on the table.
So they just decided to give up. You know, there's go other roads. So. And, you know, its algorithm is the king.
Yeah.
If you don't get the algorithm, you're not going to do any good. So, but just for what you guys want to do, I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean, you might get 3 hits. I don't know. And that's probably gonna be staying in me.
Yeah!
2 of them.
Anyway, uploading the presentations as we do and I've been moving up. The website.
Meetup.com.
In previous month December I'd reduce the membership count by deleting the unrecognized names and then I, 20 January I did it again.
Anyway, and I reduced it down to 896 and as I looked earlier today, it's like as back up the 900, and 2 or something like that or 9 23 or whatever it's slowly billing up.
Yeah, whatever.
By the way, I'm not trying to give you more work here. I'm just curious.
Have you ever noticed do any of the names you've eliminated show back up?
Not that I've seen.
Okay.
And I would think if they showed back up, the again, they would say they would send a message, say, why did I drop off?
Yeah.
And I haven't seen anything like that either. So. I'd say that they're focused names.
Yeah, yeah, more likely.
Yeah, our internet presence on social media. Do we need to say anything here?
I don't think so.
We already said a bunch.
Yeah.
Question. Earlier. In this meeting.
But nothing that I wanna record here. Announce mailing lists.
Oh,
Hi, I thought that I broken, it was broken.
The archive. Was broken.
It was.
Human error.
That's a shame. Yeah.
Yeah, the pee back.
Pepc, whatever.
It's I like the, I like the English one better. It's called picnic.
P.
It's easy to remember. Problem in fair, not in computer.
No, chair, chair. No problem in the chair.
Right.
Problem is fair in Oh chair, problems here, not in computer. I like it. And the initials are.
Picnic.
Yeah, it came from my, my, listen to these British guys talk about blind tech. That's what they say.
Picnic, PICK. Problem in chair not in. Good. Nice.
And what was the one you had staying? Problem.
Yeah, it's basically problem. There's no E in it. So problem between share and keyboard.
Yeah.
P, PVCA, problem between share and keyboard.
Right.
Yeah, any comments about hybrid meetings?
No. No.
Cameras and microphones and projectors. I still think But I mentioned last time we ought to sell.
Not going to get much farm today, you know, everybody uses cell phones.
That's true. Though, yeah.
I don't know what you never know there are some organizations out there you know, who probably are still old school in that respect.
And they might want them for parts or backups or replacements.
Okay.
Yeah.
Put it on eBay or something.
What?
I don't wanna mess with eBay. I should. Too much technology for me beyond my abilities.
Perfect now, right?
I like bitch about eBay is you have to give them a no. Well, yeah, I have your bank account, but.
You have to give them an identity they can verify and they report all your sales under that identity, whether it's yours or your one of your 4 different companies.
So I just told
Hey, the attendance database. It's a
I.
Is that in? A labor base or whatever you call that thing.
Yeah, they sign there. I use it on a lever office base thing. It's the the the default database thing is We're simple thing and it works fine.
And I'd like to teach Gary or somebody else how to use the damn thing. He spent another half hour with me on a damn thing.
It's available to everybody off the the WW slug.org slash Staircom web page is a you can download the full database and then just run it in Libreoffice.
Gives it, I put in names. And, and it's got a query section and gives you the, the count up.
I do it for every meeting. And, it gives you 2 counts. That just one, query just gives you a roll up total and the other gives you the the group meetings with listed everybody alphabetical.
No, whatever. And of course this run under Russian rules if Stan dies. Nobody else is.
Yeah.
No, knows how to do it at this point. All of all, but you know, I upload the once I do it after every meeting I upload it and it's available there.
That was just a single 5.
If anybody. It's a single file. Yeah.
Oh, okay, that's kinda like sequel light, okay. Alright.
And it's not really relational database, but it's a database.
Yeah.
It's got a lot of neat features you can go in and you can search. The nice thing about is you can you could plug in a name and search and list all of the meetings they've attended.
So that's one way to verify, oh yeah, so, so did 12 meetings last month or last year calendar year.
Huh?
I mean, one of the 5, I'm sorry. That was a load, low below. Sorry.
Oh, okay, yeah. Yeah, somebody pays stand $5, you'll put their name in for attending 6 meetings, okay?
Yeah.
Yeah, okay, you guys are really loosey goosey when it comes to rules
Like I said, run under the Russian rules then.
Yeah.
That's the comment for tonight's says on a tennis database. Planning schedule report database.
Is.
I added the general meeting base and main items plus, some St. Louis items for the year, 1996 from old info and old newsletters.
So the event items included when, you know, the normal wind type status, what who. Giving a more complete history of our past efforts.
We'll have to add our previous special interest groups and like the computer telephone and integration group, the special interest group we had at one time, the Tony Z was running.
Oh
Oh, that's great.
Likely will later start including the previous Saint Charles Linux user group events also. What are you trying to do.
What did that computer telephony thing do? Is that like, PBX's or?
Switches or
Yep, Dbx office switch.
Oh man, I wish I'd known about that. I mean, that was, that's how I got into the whole business.
Yeah.
I mean I started out in the Navy as a as a computer guy, excuse me, computer telephony guy.
Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating.
Alright, what else we got?
Handouts, no change, no time.
Thanks, things I'd like to do, but just don't have time.
Organization paper papers, I asked Gary to bring the into the box. I wanna look for old newsletters prior to 1996 or anything that might be in there.
To add to to the. The history.
Gary you know where the box is yes
Okay. I don't have it yet.
Yes Okay.
So, 2026 to thirtieth anniversary or something or what? Does it go back further?
It's just that's all I had. Available at the time that I was doing it.
Okay. And, I was only looking at the I forget what I was looking at and didn't include some previous stuff and then I remember then I remembered oh I did the newsletter for a couple of years so go back and look in there and list the whole bunch of stuff in the newsletter Hey, whatever.
Last month I'd commented that we need appreciate the donations that Steve Gomez did and the consensus was to show appreciation when beer on a meal and was approved and Gary volunteered to do it.
You were able to do that yet, Gary?
I have not done it yet.
Yeah, very slacken.
Yes, sir.
Even contact, Steve Go Best.
No, I haven't. I did say hi to them. I forgot whether you use it the Wednesday or Thursday meeting last month.
So I saw him. I just send them a private chat message and said, hey, hi. He didn't respond.
To. Yeah, this is our coming up our 30 s anniversary in July.
Oh, this year. Okay, so. That takes you back.
In 1992 then, right?
Incorporated July, 92.
Wow. Oh, okay. Well, as I was talking to the guys at the greater Orlando Linux uses group and they had never heard of you or the St.
Oh my god.
Louis Linux uses group, right? And I And I said, well, they've been around for a while.
Well, how long could they been around for? Well, I think around 30 years. I wasn't exactly sure, you know.
Rich cyber was . The original
And they go, what? Yeah, and so they were like, wow, how come we never heard of these guys?
I said I don't know but
We're at the section. We need help. Any comments?
Usual.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I guess I'll stick it here. So I, I've been really trying to make My own personal effort here.
To push for the last year plus. On trying to to
Do more publicity. You know, Make sure we got things out the time we fashion on meet up so it would attract eyes.
To come and I think that that's been somewhat successful as you pointed out. Stan, we have been getting new people coming to the Wednesday and Thursday night meetings also to the Slack and the in the newcomers meetings.
And they seem to come largely from meet up. We've tried to get, social media are really only 2 worker bees on that have been and James Conroy.
And I give James a lot of credit. That he's He's the one who got Sean involved and I think Sean's been the the larger worker be in that area.
Could be wrong. But anyway, I think I'm going to. No longer try and push in that area I think.
Oh, for a year of doing it is probably done as much. Or it as I can. I mean, I'm hoping to find more people who are willing to push in the area of publicity.
That's why I've tried to get Robert Loveth and tried to encourage Shawn to pursue other social media stuff and so Robert was putting out really if I crap, I wouldn't.
Push him anymore. You say don't push them anymore. Right.
Well, I did not even release the last thing he did. He did a thing Sunday. It was just a cut and paste kind of thing from.
Our webpages and it But you know, there's nothing there other than the titles. I didn't and it was a week early so I did take her not to release it so it's just sitting there yet.
So yeah, it's crap.
Well, we got a we got a little bit of of results, mostly on the meetup area. And so I'm gonna maybe try and shift my emphasis.
I really been telling myself I need to start tapping people on the shoulder because as much as we tell people we need more Indians and there's opportunities and when somebody please volunteer.
I think the only way we've ever gotten anybody to volunteer with the exception of the people who are in this meeting.
Is by tapping somebody on the shoulder and saying hi could you do this and would you mind keep doing it?
So I'm gonna try and Change by my aim. Chat more people on the shoulder and say, you know, you can really use your help taking this over.
I don't know, but be successful doing it, but, I'll try and spend some time doing it.
Okay.
I think you'll be more successful because just of human psychology, right? I mean, people got lives and shit happening right all the time and crap comes at them from everywhere Right.
And when they're in the meeting. It's all done ho, yeah sure, right? And then, you know, life gets in the way.
But if you call somebody, you know, it's a one to one from the president of slug.
Yeah.
Right? You know, can you help out with this or whatever? And can you, can you give me some feedback and give me a date and time of getting it back or whatever right?
That.
Well, if they say yes, then they like made an actual commitment. And so I think that's just human sight.
Yeah.
And, and tell him to put it on their resume that they're supporting a group. You know, that's social activity kind of thing.
And that it's a, you know, going for a new job. Hell, that, that's, that's a tiny little plus.
Stay on the next time you have a group of really cute looking ladies you're gonna kick off meet up because they've never attended a meeting shook me their names and I'll offer them the opportunity as a resume stuff or 2.
Yeah, I know.
So anyway, yeah, I'm personally gonna maybe not push as much on trying to expand. On beat up.
Any one person?
See.
Yes. And,
Yeah.
By the way, Gary, I't shown up in a meeting forever. I know you told me that his wife was in sad shape and he was taking care of.
Pretty much full time. Yes. Sam.
Yes, no.
I don't know. I don't know. I know that he is, he's often said his Wi-Fi suck.
Oh yeah.
Not his wife, his wife, not Wi-Fi, his internet. And but.
Till told me that's because he's constantly downloading stuff
Oh!
Oh, yeah, Eddie, you know, whatever. I don't know. We have finished the old business stuff.
Do we have any new business?
I don't think so.
Is that?
Before you guys wrap up or whatever, I just wanna ask the one quick question regarding the Bach upgrade.
Sure.
The, we were talking about, the mail delivery system, you know, the, the thing to send out.
Oh, the listener. Mayo, man.
The emails. Right or discuss. The list. Yeah, the lists are thing. Right.
So, it was that? Could do male man, gee, and you, man.
It was okay. And the problem with that was the Python was the 2 dot something and you need to go to 3 dot something.
The current mailman is Python 2. And mailman is actually missing from Debian.
11, I think, I think was the issue. And in Debian 12, it's male-man 3 with Python 3.
I see. Okay, now the reason I asked that question is because I I had a interaction, a male interaction with a new mailman.
And I've gotta wanna go look back at that and see if. They probably don't put the version number in there in the interaction.
You know, when you get like a automated, you know, bouts or response or whatever. I don't think they put the, the version number.
They just say, you know, mailman. I don't remember though. But yeah, I was just curious about that because I then I tweaked my memory.
I'm like, oh, right. He said mail, man, but he didn't say canoe, man man.
That's why I wanted to know.
Gotcha.
So, okay. Yeah, yeah, I'm curious about that part that aspect of it.
I'm showing the recurring, events kind of thing. Recurring requirements thing on the screen.
Lee and Gary, do you see anything that they need to talk about?
Go ahead here.
Looks like the next.
The next just work type thing is in April the IRS. She's done. February first time, my calendar.
Oh, okay.
Should I move that to February?
Or not.
Yeah. Well, well, yeah, okay. Yeah, go ahead, move to February.
Yeah, it's due by April. But you can do it anytime between January first and April.
Right. So I, I try to always get it done anytime. Yeah.
And if, want to see the results, I try to remember her stuff in in our directory on.
Thank you, Stan. That's exactly what I was going to say for you. Thank you. Perfect.
Well, you, erase the end of that. Yeah, the filed March 23.
Yeah.
Whatever, just take it off. Alright, okay, March, April.
I think that's got us far enough in the future.
Yeah.
No, other comments.
Nope, I don't think so.
Recognize useful efforts. Gee, thanks to, 3 people. Namely, Ed.
Stan Lee. Thank you. Thank you all for coming tonight. Thank you all for all the other contributions you do.
Keeping this organization going.
Thank you. Least I can do.
Okay.
I wish I could be there at the back end. Sound like good food.
And we miss you here in St. Louis, and I know we're not doing physical meetings, but damn, but just be nice to have you around for.
A sandwich and a beer somewhere or a pizza in a beer.
Yeah.
Oh man, we should go to the You know, we had that thing going with that Irish pub for a while and.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, I forget and then the Nick and Elaine is after the Linux meeting. That was literally my favorite time of the month.
That particular meeting.
Yeah, I was gonna mention this when we were way up in the agenda here, But, where you mentioned in the agenda about, Pick and Elena's and, maybe some other place.
Oh.
So Cousin Hugo's. Where we met for decades. That didn't make it through the pandemic Yeah, yeah.
That was that was the one down the hill from, Sunn. Yes.
So yeah, yeah. So it's somewhere during the pandemic, the owner gave up and, closed and put it up for sale.
Somebody else bought it and had it open for part of 2023 And I want to say, but by November roughly, it was just.
Yeah, the lights were off. It just hasn't been open for the last 3 months, 4 months.
So it's dead.
Hmm.
And if you guys don't remember the reason why it was called Cousin Hughes, I'm gonna remind you the men you gave the story and what it was.
Was that the at the end of prohibition. When the world was just getting back to having places that could serve alcohol.
It was very spotty. You had to have local approval because states and counties didn't have. Alcohol hooker control boards yet, how the laws worked.
And so what became cousin Hugo's was one of the first bars that opened in the area and so okay so so some guy needed a job and so we went to the owner because he goes to was named Hugo and He was this guy's cousin, so he asked him for a job.
I said, okay, yeah, so I got a job being a waiter, a bartender.
So I figured he needed to, you know, convince his boss, the cousin that, you know, was doing his job, bringing in customers.
And so every time one of his buddies came in and he goes, oh yeah, we, we, I got a to do she here to the owner.
Yeah, this is, this is my cousin Hugo.
And people just started remembering from the introduction. It must be where we're no one.
So it's kind of like an unnamed bar like the bar at 84 street or something like Like it didn't actually have a name prior to that or.
Yeah.
Hi, Diana. I don't even know what the name was prior to that is right up to that's all the name.
I love it.
Right, right. It's like they like the guys that came to vote at the meeting there that one time at Decas.
Yeah.
Oh yeah?
Oh, that's interesting. I went there once, once. And then, yeah, I was, I was only at maybe.
Hello.
3 or 4 soon in meetings, sun and meetings. And I didn't know about cousin who was at first.
I didn't even know you guys had an after party. Somebody tipped me to it at some point and I went once and I think right after that we moved to Gray Bar.
Oh.
And then we stop going there. Actually, I think I remember that at the time taking myself Oh, we're gonna go back, drive all the way back to cousin.
And that was vetoed. And so we decided to go somewhere else. I don't remember where though.
Okay.
Okay, this last section here is to follow up an action items. Think the individual action. Items listed by individual pointed out.
Well, in January, Gary said he wanted to clean it up instead of trashing it. But going back to October.
Everybody, it agreed we need to get rid of it and we said then in October we'd give it another month or 2 before we threw it away.
Can we throw this thing away next month?
Go to wait now.
How about this month? Go ahead, I'll just go back and read through the old issue. Right, salvage, anything to meet yourself. There's no, no problem.
Go ahead and kill it.
Now.
Here.
It's gone.
Okay.
Are we gonna do any blue skies recording? Yes, no.
None.
I don't think so. Yes.
I move we adjourn to meeting.
Alright.
Okay, all in favor of saying the repunnest now. Yeah, I said, 18.
Hi.
Kill the recording.