The SLUUG Cronicle

November 2002

St. Louis UNIX Users Group

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Headline Story: Red Hat Road Tour - TODAY!

See the article below for full details.

Table of Contents

Calendar of Events

Nov 5 Tuesday Election Day
Nov 5 Tuesday MOSLUG 7:00pm -11:00pm
Nov 6 Wednesday Red Hat Road Tour 6:00pm - ?
Nov 6 Wednesday Red Hat Road Tour - SIUE 1:00pm - 4:00pm
Nov 7 Thursday SLACC 7:00pm - 9:00pm
Nov 7 Thursday SILUG - O'Fallon, IL 7:00pm - 9:00pm
Nov 11 Monday Veterans Day
Nov 12 Tuesday St. Louis Advanced LUG 6:30pm - 9:00pm
Nov 12 Tuesday LUCI - Newbie Night 7:00pm - 9:00pm
Nov 12 Tuesday CCSL - Dinner Meeting ($ - RSVP) 5:30pm - ?
  TOPIC: Selling to Technology Markets
Nov 13 Wednesday SLUUG - General Meeting 6:30pm - 9:00pm
  TOPIC: Advanced Zope
Nov 14 Thursday Python MeetUp 7:00pm - ?
Nov 17 Sunday CWE-LUG 1:00pm - 5:00pm
Nov 18 Monday SILUG - Carbondale, IL 7:00pm - 9:00pm
  NOTE: Not the regular day
Nov 18 Monday SLUUG - Steering Committee 6:15pm - 8:30pm
Nov 19 Tuesday STLWEBDEV 6:30pm - 9:00pm
  TOPIC: Launching a tech business
Nov 21 Thursday St. Louis LUG 7:00pm - 9:00pm
  TOPIC: St. Louis area User Groups
Nov 21 Thursday St. Louis e-Business Conference 8:15am - 5:00pm
Nov 22 Friday STLBSD 7:00pm - 9:00pm
Nov 25 Monday St. Charles LUG 6:30pm - 9:00pm
Nov 26 Tuesday LUCI 7:00pm - 9:00pm
Nov 26 Tuesday Hazelwood LUG 6:30pm - 9:00pm
Nov 28 Thursday Thanksgiving
Dec 11 Wednesday SLUUG - General Meeting 6:30pm
Dec 15 Sunday CWE-LUG 1:00pm
Dec 16 Monday SLUUG - Steering Committee 6:15pm
Dec 16 Monday St. Charles LUG 6:30pm
Dec 17 Tuesday Hazelwood LUG 6:30pm
Dec 19 Thursday St. Louis LUG 7:00pm

NOTE: More information on these groups, including locations and web sites, can be found in the "Meeting Locations" section below.

Next General Meeting is Wednesday, November 13

6:30 pm Tutorial vi by Tom Chapin
7:00 pm Announcements Standard Introductions & Procedures
7:05 pm Q & A An opportunity to ask technical questions
7:15 pm Break Social, off-line conversations, book sales
7:20 pm Admittance to building may not be possible after 7:20.
7:30 pm Presentation Advanced Zope by Jason Burke


by Tom Chapin


vi 001 - Understanding how vi works

A major part of this tutorial will be a cheat-sheet, more graphical than existing ones. The tutorial will emphasize how vi functions rather than covering all its functions, so folks will feel comfortable exploring the rest on their own. Although not all functions will be covered, we will try to touch on the more powerful features, such as global edits, buffers, abbreviations, and macros. Tom will cover "standard" vi features (available on all UNIX systems) rather than all the new features of vim, elvis, and such.


Tom Chapin has filled various roles in the IT industry for many years, ranging from systems administration to client-server development. He has extensive UNIX experience, especially in shell programming, Perl, and SQL. Tom has taught several training courses, and is an active member of SLUUG.


Advanced Zope
by Jason Burke


Zope ( is a large and complex Open Source web application server. But you don't have to be an expert Python developer to leverage the power of Zope. In this presentation we'll be discussing how to use the Zope Management Interface, some simple Zope DTML, and thoughtful web site layout to create easy to manage dynamic web pages. If you're tired of struggling with large and complex web site layouts or searching through large HTML files to make simple changes then Zope component based approach to web design is for you. Come and join us to learn how you can make your web site a joy to work with again.


Jason Burke is currently working as a Webmaster, Perl/Python Developer, and Database Administrator for a scrap metal recycling company called Alter Trading Company. His work focuses on enhancing communication and information sharing in a distributed environment. When not spending time with his wife and four children, he's either fooling around with his saltwater fish tank, studying traditional Irish music, learning martial arts, war-gaming, or reading technical manuals. Jason's main contribution to the Open Source Community is the Linux Mentors Project ( where he sets up computer labs for teaching Linux and Open Source applications to kids in the inner city.

Ideas, questions and suggestions are welcome; please contact Christine Wanta (

Book Sales

The O'Reilly and Associates line of books is available at each monthly general meeting as a convenience to our members. Proceeds from the book sales go toward running the organization. Most months we feature special offers on titles related to that month's presentation or tutorial topic. Discounts off retail prices are offered to all attendees.

Books that are not available at the meetings may be ordered to be picked up at the next SLUUG general meeting. Contact Sue Hurst (

November Special:

Books with a red sticker
(discontinued titles and older editions)
- 70% off
All books about editors or web development - 30% off
All other books - 25% off

Next St. Louis LUG Meeting Is November 19

St. Louis area User Groups
by various


You've already found us -- your local UNIX and Linux users groups. Hopefully, you've learned about the benefits and support that user groups can provide. This month, we'll have representatives from various other user groups come talk about their organizations. So if you are interested in any other topics, maybe you'll find another group to share and grow with.

We're working to bring in folks from groups involved with BSD, Macintosh, Windows, consulting, web development, and programming. If you know of another group that would be interested in letting us know a little something about them, please contact us to let us know.

Comments, questions, and ideas for the St. Louis Linux Users Group are welcome; please send email to

Meeting Locations

SLUUG - St. Louis UNIX Users Group (
General Meeting

Meets the 2nd Wednesday of the month, 6:30pm to 9:00pm. Free and open to the public.
Sunnen Products
7910 Manchester (at Hanley)
St. Louis, MO
Directions: Take I-64 (US 40) to the Hanley exit south. Turn left at Manchester, then an immediate right into Sunnen driveway.


(NOTE: A security guard from Sunnen is scheduled to be at the door from 6:20pm to 7:20pm to allow entry. After 7:20, the door will be unattended and you may not be able to enter.)

SLUUG - St. Louis UNIX Users Group (
Steering Committee

Meets the Monday following the 2nd Wednesday of the month, 6:15pm to 8:30pm. Open to the public. This is where we make decisions on what topics to cover and other administration of the group. If you want to get involved, this is a good place to start.
Daugherty Systems
One City Place, 2nd floor
Creve Coeur, MO 63141

St. Louis Linux Users Group (STLLUG) (

Meets the 3rd Thursday of each month, 7:00pm to 9:00pm. The room is reserved starting at 6:00pm. (Ask a librarian to let you in if it is locked.) Members are encouraged to come early to mingle and/or give informal demos or presentations. Free and open to the public. (Formerly known as the Linux SIG.)
Indian Trails Library
8400 Delport Drive (at Midland)
St. Louis, MO
Directions:   Take I-170 to Page east. Turn left at North-South. Turn left at Midland. Drive 2 blocks and turn left on Delport. The library is on your left.


St. Charles LUG (

JUST FORMED! We expect that meetings will usually be held at 6:30pm to 9:00pm on the 4th Thursday of each month, except during December, which will probably not have a meeting.
This is a SIG of SLUUG, intended for all Linux users in the Western and Northern parts of the greater metro area.
513 South Main St. (just north of I-70)
O'Fallon, MO

Hazelwood LUG (

Generally meets the 4th Tuesday of each month, 6:30pm to 9:00pm. (NOTE: Start time is now 6:30.) Free and open to the public. This is a SIG of SLUUG, intended for Linux newbies.
Prairie Commons Library
915 Utz Lane (between Howdershell and Dunn)
Hazelwood, MO

CWE-LUG - Central West End LUG (

Generally meets on the third Sunday of the month from 1:00pm to 5:00pm. Meetings are now held at the ACLU building.
4557 Laclede (just east of Euclid)
St Louis, MO 63108

Advanced LUG

JUST FORMED! Meetings are not yet on a regular schedule.
This group is intended to be a venue for advanced topics as well as a time to work on Open Source projects as a group.
The meeting location for September is:
WDT Solutions
9450 Manchester, Suite 204
Rock Hill, MO

MOSLUG - MO Open Source LUG (

Meets on the 1st Tuesday of the month, from 7:00pm to 11:00pm. Meetings are free and open to everyone. This is a Linux Users Group (LUG) for all levels, from new beginners to the more advanced users.
Culpeppers Restaurant (basement)
312 S. Kirkwood Road
Kirkwood, MO 63122

STLBSD - St. Louis BSD Users (

Just started holding official meetings. Look for guys with little red daemons on their shirts at SLUUG and LUG meetings.

SLACC - St. Louis Area Computer Club (

Meets the 1st Thursday of every month, from 7:00pm to 9:00pm.
Thornhill Library
12863 Willowyk Drive (off Fee Fee)
Creve Coeur, MO

STLWEBDEV - St. Louis Web Developers (

Meets the 3rd Tuesday of the month from 6:30pm to 9:00pm. Meetings are free and open to everyone. This is an open group to facilitate communications between diverse professions involved in Internet/Intranet design and development. STLWEBDEV is also the St. Louis chapter of the International Webmasters Association and the HTML Writers Guild (IWA-HWG).
CityPlace One Auditorium
One City Place
Creve Coeur, MO 63141

Wireless SIG (

Meets the 4th Tuesday of the month, from 6:30pm to 9:00pm. Meetings are free and open to everyone. Refreshments at 6:30, program begins at 7:00. This group is a cooperative effort of both the St. Louis Web Developers and the St. Louis Java Users Group.
CityPlace One Auditorium
One City Place
Creve Coeur, MO 63141

CCSL - Computer Consultants of St. Louis (
Monthly Dinner Meeting

Meetings are held the second Tuesday of each month at Cheshire Inn. RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED. Cost is $20 for members, $25 for non-members. Call 314-995-4652 (by the previous Friday) or email for reservations. Social hour starts at 5:30pm, meeting starts at 6:30pm.
Cheshire Inn
6306 Clayton Rd.
St. Louis, MO

SILUG - Southern Illinois LUG (
O'Fallon meeting

The SILUG O'Fallon meeting is generally on the first Thursday of the month. It runs from 7:00pm to 9:00pm.
O'Fallon Public Library
120 Civic Plaza
O'Fallon, IL

SILUG - Southern Illinois LUG (
Carbondale meeting

The SILUG Carbondale meeting is the 1st Monday of the month, from 7:00pm to 9:00pm.
Life Sciences III
1059 Auditorium
Carbondale, IL

LUCI - Linux Users of Central Illinois (

All LUCI meetings are held at the same location, from 7:00pm to 9:00pm. General meetings are on the 4th Tuesday of the month, and Newbie night is held on the 2nd Tuesday of the month.
Illinois State Museum Research & Collections Center
1011 East Ash St.
Springfield, IL 62703

CORCC - County Older Residents Computer Club (

Meets (almost) every Friday from 1:00pm to 3:00pm. Provides free classes for seniors 55 or older. For info, contact Tom Kimber ( or Arthur Hollman (
Prairie Commons Library
915 Utz Lane (between Howdershell and Dunn)
Hazelwood, MO

We publish meeting schedules of groups in the St. Louis region that may be of interest to our members. If you would like to have info added about your group, please mail the newsletter editor ( or call any of the SLUUG officers.


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Red Hat Road Tour Stops in St. Louis

by Christine Wanta

Four men. Two weeks. Five thousand miles. And one solitary purpose: To discover the state of Linux in America.

Red Hat began a nation-wide road trip October 31 to find out the state of Linux in America. SLUUG will be sponsoring their stop in St. Louis the evening of November 6th.

From 5pm - 6pm, a special event for members is scheduled. This is time set aside for members and their guests. Please feel free to invite others.

At 6pm there will be a town hall forum where you can come and ask the four adventurers anything from technical questions, to projects they are involved in, to whatever you think they may be able to answer.

We'd like to thank Daugherty Systems for supporting this event and arranging the venue. The event will be held at One CityPlace in the auditorium on the lower level. From I-270, take Olive east, and make a left at the stop light at CityPlace Drive. (About half a mile -- Provisions is on the left.) The Red Hat RV should be parked on top of the garage. There are parking garages on both sides -- you should be able to park in either garage. The building is north of the garages and has the fountains in front. You can find a map at

For information on the rest of the trip, the Red Hat adventurers who will be visiting, etc., visit the Red Hat Road Tour site at You can read the travelers' journals to see how their adventure is faring, where they've been, and where they're headed.

Visit or email Christine Wanta ( for more details.


For more information about sponsoring the St. Louis UNIX Users Group, contact Dave Mills (


There's nothing in human experience compared to which a sendmail 
config file could be considered simple.
 -- unknown

Philosophy is a game with objectives but no rules.
Mathematics is a game with rules but no objectives.
 -- hitzroth on Slashdot

Give me immortality, or give me death!
 -- RatBastard on Slashdot

After all, the authors whose works benefit from the extra 20 years of 
protection are dead; even the strongest economic incentives are unlikely
to motivate them to produce anything of any interesting quality.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 -- Inigo Montoya, in response to Bill Gates' use of the word "innovation"

One photo is among the highest-resolution ever obtained from Mars, 
according to Malin scientists. It resolves the surface to 5 feet (1.5 
meters) per pixel. Objects the size of school buses can be seen in the 
full size image, the scientists say, though there is no evidence for 
any such transportation devices on the planet.

Question: How can I buffer my audio by 6 seconds so I can sync the 
          radio broadcast of the World Series with the TV?
Answer 1: Put your speaker about 1.167 miles away and turn them up
          *really* loud...
Answer 2: Get a spool of about 1,800,000 km of wire and use it to 
          connect your speakers to the radio with carefully placed 
          signal boosters/repeaters.

Nyquist's big insight was that you need at least two fingers in order 
to figure out which of the two is being held up. Try it, it's true.

GUI's are like diapers, everyone grows out of them.
 -- Faux_Pseudo on Slashdot

Special Interest Groups (SIGs)

As our membership grows, we have had some inquiries about the possibility of having Special Interest Groups in several areas. If you are interested in starting or participating in a SIG for System Administration, Networking, C, Object Oriented Programming, a specific vendor, etc., please contact any officer of the group.


SLUUG administration is volunteer based. We're always looking for volunteers to help with presentations, web page development, managing corporate sponsorships, and many other tasks. If you would like to help out contact Christine Wanta (


  President Ed Wehner
  Vice-President Scott Granneman
  Secretary Buck Pyland 
  Treasurer Mike Kriz 
  Linux Users Group Chair Craig Buchek
  Board of Directors Rich Seibel
Ed Wehner
Craig Buchek
Robert Citek
Stan Reichardt
  Presentations Christine Wanta
  Corporate Sponsors Dave Mills
  O'Reilly Book Sales Susan Hurst
  Newsletter Editor Craig Buchek
  PR Stan Reichardt
  Steering Committee Info Gary Meyer
  BBS Questions Gary Meyer
  Official Correspondence SLUUG Mailing Address PO Box 411302
St. Louis, MO 63141

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