00:27:21 Steve Gomez: Sure 00:34:09 Ken Johnson: The kiosk mode is what you need the power switch for -- the power switch allows the magic sequence to break out of Kiosk mode. 00:41:35 Steve Gomez: Is it true that the USB C hubs are pretty much universal these days? Is it possible to have a hub setup with keyboard & mouse & dual monitors that I use with a "regular" laptop, and plug a Chromebook into it and use the same peripherals?? 00:44:11 Wayne S: Robert: Which USB Hub do you use? Any specific brand? 00:51:35 Welcome: Do you have to a google account to use a chromebook like this? 00:52:47 Steve Gomez: Awesome, thank you, that is what I was hoping to be able to do. 00:53:00 Ken Johnson: Have you tried running a window manager like openbox or ? 00:55:06 Wayne S: Can you boot any other distro from a Live USB, without a Google account? 00:55:52 Ken Johnson: Yes, on booting other distros, but not all distros will have comprehensive driver support for the Chromebook hardware. 00:56:05 Wayne S: Tnx 01:06:41 Ken Johnson: GalliumOS Linux was actively developed for older Chromebooks (I have it on a Chromebook that is no longer supported) and boots well/installs well on my old Acer C720. 01:07:19 Ed Maste: framework 01:07:44 Ken Johnson: As an alternative to a low cost Chromebook consider an older Thinkpad... 01:08:16 Sean Twie03: Put Chrome OS Flex on an older thinkpad? 01:08:20 Sean Twie03: https://chromeenterprise.google/os/chromeosflex/ 01:11:24 Mike Steffan: An independent implementer of Chrome on generic Intel computers can be found by searching for “Arnold the bat”. 01:11:35 Robert Citek - MBA: Have not tried ChromeOS Flex, yet. That is definitely in my queue to try. 01:14:10 Welcome: Linkedin- FreeBSDFoundation page 01:14:19 Wayne S: Gotta run... Thanks guys. 01:17:50 Craig Buchek: I showed up because I want to see what's going on with FreeBSD recently. 01:18:51 Ed Maste: (I’m unable to turn on my video) 01:19:00 Ken Johnson: Linux sysadmins -- pay attention to 'Dirty Pipe' -- allows non-prived users to become root. 01:21:09 Welcome: Fedora 01:21:14 Craig Buchek: Debian, MacOS 01:21:20 Steve Stegmann: ubuntu 18 & 20 01:21:23 Sean Twie03: fedora 01:21:26 Ken Johnson: Typically a Debian user, recently studied FreeBSD to help with a pfsense config. 01:21:33 Susan Hurst: I use FreeBSD on AWS 01:21:34 gary@sluug.org: MacOS, Debian, SuSE 01:21:50 gary@sluug.org: Have used BSD in past. 01:21:51 Robert Levitt: Mac OS 12.2.1, MX Linux 21 01:21:52 Randy Karl: Used t use FreeBSD 01:22:00 Robert Citek - MBA: MacOS, ChromeOS, Ubuntu, Debian. 01:22:01 Mike Steffan: Struggling with FreeBSD on old old Mac, visible in background 01:22:28 Ed Howland: Ubuntu 18.04 MacOS 01:22:50 Susan Hurst: ...and I have an ancient MacBook Pro for 2004 that has Free BSD as the OS....still works. 01:28:39 sean m: I discovered FreeBSD via pfsense then FreeNAS, now I also use it to run some servers. Never tried on desktop or laptop. 01:42:51 dante: Yeah sure 01:42:55 dante: Catalfamo 01:43:06 dante: I can add it to my zoom name 01:43:20 Steve Gomez: Sorry I need to miss the end of the show, but need to sign off early. Hoping for return of "in person" meetings (with spaghetti) soon :) 01:44:20 Anonymous Coward recording you: The video of this session will be posted in a day or two, if you have to leave early. 01:50:53 Ed Howland: Does FreeBSD development actually use git? Or it it a mirror of some other VCS? 01:54:40 J Truesdale: Where does OpenBSD fit in the BSD lineage? 01:56:15 Deb Goodkin: OpenBSD branched off of NetBSD 01:58:16 Sean Twie03: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src still says "read-only mirror) in the About section. Is that the right repo? 01:58:30 Craig Buchek: I'm kinda sad about DocBook not having worked out. 02:04:35 sean m: How is Wifi 6 support coming? 02:08:24 Andrew Meyer: Is there a plan to improve the network installation to be more like RedHat kickstart or Canonical cloud-init? 02:20:03 Craig Buchek: In the early 2000s, I used firewalls running SecureOS, which was just FreeBSD with capabilities. 02:23:56 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: any other os using the new hardwar? 02:29:28 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: There is way way more information in this evenings session than I could retain even a small fraction of, will the recording be made available, or are similar presentations of the material available already? 02:30:52 Anonymous Coward recording you: Tonight's session ZOOM recording will be available in our Presentation Archives in a day or two. 02:32:35 Deb Goodkin: I’ll provide the slides tomorrow. 02:33:05 Deb Goodkin: There is a FreeBSD Youtube channel and you can find a video of the later things going on here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91lRj5Qwh1s 02:34:30 Andrew Meyer: yes! awesome! 02:34:38 Deb Goodkin: I meant latest things happening in FreeBSD. :-) 02:35:26 Mike Steffan: Are there named “clusters” of packages that can be installed to achieve a goal like graphical desktop? My FreeBSD 13 on old Mac is so far only text-mode. 02:36:01 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: when will cheri be available to users?? 02:36:19 Sean Twie03: Are all the FreeBSD projects in C/C++? I don't know either of those languages. 02:37:27 stan reichardt: What bootloader is used? Are there issues with PC bios/UEIF use? 02:38:41 Craig Buchek: Great to hear about progress in the capabilities space, especially CHERI hardware. Thanks! 02:39:07 Marc B: I gtg now thanks for the presentation 02:39:38 Robert Citek: Nice! News to me. FreeBSD on AWS. https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-5u5eckd56z6my Has anyone tried any of these AMIs? Bummer, no ARM. 02:46:03 Robert Citek: If we do have more questions, how can we contact Deb or Ed? 02:46:44 Robert Citek: I need to drop off. Thanks, Deb and Ed. Great presentation and information. 02:46:45 Sean Twie03: I noticed the WiFi is not supported on Raspberry Pi 3 and 4. Does FreeBSD load an proprietary drivers? 02:47:15 Deb Goodkin: You are welcome to email us at deb@freebsdfoundation.org or emaste@freebsdfoundation.org 02:47:55 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: lua? spel it for an ignoramous that never heard of it 02:48:56 David (KC4ZVW): https://www.lua.org/about.html 02:49:15 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: oh, so I guessed the spelling correctly 02:50:01 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: I'm an old timer that thinks (thought) an OS should always be wriitten in assembler 02:50:41 Craig Buchek: Lua is also used in Nginx to create custom HTTP filters. I've used it to validate and modify headers for authn/authz. 02:51:16 Sean Twie03: neovim has a lua interpreter for writing plugins 02:52:52 Richard Seibel: What versions of C and C++ are used? 02:53:19 David (KC4ZVW): How about number of lines of code to an o/s versus the lines of code to a web browser! 02:53:35 sean m: Had same thought... linux kernel and python just switched to C11... 02:57:11 Mike Steffan: clang 11 on my 32-bit FreeBSD is version 11.0.1 02:58:08 David (KC4ZVW): The C Programming Language (sometimes termed K&R, after its authors' initials) is a computer programming book written by Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie, the latter of whom originally designed and implemented the language, as well as co-designed the Unix operating system with which development of the language was closely intertwined 02:58:55 Sean Twie03: I guess this a K&R Function declaration? int foo(s, f, b) char* s; float f; struct Baz * b; { return 5; } It uses an initializer list instead of putting the types int he parameter list 03:00:12 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: from the discussion before the presentations startted, qubes uses xen 03:02:58 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: don't like APL, then.right? 03:03:40 Sean Twie03: Does FreeBSD have microcode from intel and amd? It is my understanding microcode is proprietary blobs. 03:05:30 Ed Howland: What is the story of Rust+FreeBSD? Or any other neer system lang? 03:06:23 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: these sessions are so intimidating rto me, never heard of proprietary microcode blobs before 03:08:14 Anonymous Coward recording you: Sometimes I only understand 5 percent of a topic. That is fine, as the second time around I understand 10 percent. It progresses with doing research of interesting topics. 03:09:09 Sean Twie03: Is there any automated tests for the kernel or userland utilities? If yes is it primarily unit test? end to end? integration? 03:13:45 Sean Twie03: Turn this into a mob programming bug hunt 03:14:25 Ed Howland: Gotta run. Good talk. Thanks to rwcitek, Deb and Ed 03:28:51 sean m: Is there any work to reunifiy BSD code that was forked and diverged? 03:29:49 Randy Karl: I got this link to a presentation on the early history of UNIX (by Brian Kernighan). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E&list=PLD8dAKx4J2I7Jva50W-y3OzfeI3zZcAKn 03:36:04 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: how much of bsd is written in assembler or the equivalent thereof 03:41:32 Joe B: You mean everyone in the same room but still use zoom :-) 03:42:25 TIM Cross: thank you 03:44:58 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: would love a history talk 03:50:54 Carey Schug/USA-IL-Chicago area: I prefer to install a new hard disk and retain the one that came with it 03:52:33 Jonathan Drews: Carey that is a great Idea