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Today is Wednesday, October the thirteenth, 2,022. You're right.
It's the 12, isn't it?
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Okay, I wanted to do a simpler base sessions than we had been doing, trying to keep it something for what?
The new users want to know and in the course of doing all that might throw in a a number of other things that are real interesting.
This is going to be a survey. The man pages within Linux Yeah, it's intended for new convers that you beginners, and and I've got some examples, and certainly not everything and some commands that I show may require isolation, and first, i'm gonna generally explore the man
pages available from the command line, and then go to the graphical thing, because you know, for the new users they want to know about the graphical they don't.
They're scared of the command line, but the command line van pages are sure, began with with the with the introduction of Linux, and it it's always good to have instructions and I was looking for a quote that I saw somewhere.
With. They talked about all the instructions, the manuals, and he said They're generally 3 manuals, the one that they gave to you the ones in the library, and the one you can't, and that you've boss has well, you boss Yeah, so much stuff He it after every 6
months he throws everything away so he hasn't doesn't have any more The one you've got you can't found, or you're left at home, and the one in the library is checked out by somebody else Yeah, but the nice thing about.
Linux installations, installations is they've had for as long as I can remember, they had the man pages pages on the disc and they were installed whenever you installed the product it's always good to have instructions and here's one I found recently
It's a Us. Army instruction Manual says, and toward enemy he's talking about a rocket launcher That's a good idea, Charlie, some of these troops You gotta tell them what to do there's some standards.
And I don't really know if man Page is, or standard in the in Posix, or whatever.
But they're definitely not intuitive. They're not including the Munich. They're not intuitive.
Linux. There's no way that that stuff is like, I said.
We're gonna be doing the command line stuff And then I've tried to go in and show some stuff, some gooey references to man pages.
Now first off Commander Stage. If he goes, I've got a on the slides here.
I've got that I want to show I'm gonna jump over to you the command line that I've got and show man if you type man at the command, line, it'll tell you what many page do you want don't try man man because Manhattan is also a man page this is
a general layout of the man. Page. It gives you the name and kind of a short description of it, and the synopsis is that command.
What kind of attribution and give to it, and what kind of specifications you can give to it.
Then then it gives a general overall. Description is much more specific as as to what it what it does.
Okay, manage the systems. Manual pages, each pay argument given demand is normally the name of the program.
A utility or a function, It's Saturday center. Now.
Main pages are broken up into different categories. Yeah, this man page right here.
It says that there's generally there are 9. The the first category, and the second category, or or well.
The first one is, is the commands you might give it to man, shell, or using a in a in a script or something kind of program.
And this system calls. If your functions and stuff, it's if you're going to be doing, if you're writing C programs and so forth, and different categories which really interesting is the special files they're usually found in deb they talk about devices and then there.
Are the category. 5 is file form, matching conventions that they talk about the the structure of the the files that they describe configurations of of different commands, and of course you're also games the gangster is very important from the beginning beginning because that's essentially the main reason
that the the primary developers developed The next was because they had got this neat machine, and they wanted to play games on it.
Yeah, So may be doing that after after working ours. Anyway, there's a generally you get down to a category.
8 is the system. Administrator commands Usually those are only used by route, and there's some distinctions about the category.
9 that sometimes is broken up into 3 other categories.
old local, and then new, depends on the the version of the of the the man pages that you have.
This gives you general instructions Under this this series. It talks about, just describes the the type.
You know this section right here in the middle bold tax, Italic text, and so forth, describes how the man pages are are presented on an old style.
Oh, eternal! That could not do colors. Okay. And if you notice, over on the left is the name synopsis description, and further down examples you're lucky if you have examples in your man pages, some pages man pages have no example.
Some have considerable considerable number of examples, and some of them yeah, very bad, or they have examples that are very detailed.
But they're not what you want. Okay, and there's there's other categories like overview.
And just because one defaults, they'll have ones of bugs options.
it's further down toward the bottom, you know.
It'll talk about how to find them and locate them.
And thanks for like that. Going on down to the bottom here.
Yeah, forgot how big this was, anyway. But some some advantageous talk about the environment, some talk about other things, other files, some say, see also, and some give you some history.
There's there is a number of things that are pretty much common in the man pages, but they don't always appear
going back to see, and then man. Man. So what is There's a command called what is, if you look at the man Page, What is this man is the interface?
For the reference manuals. And then there's a section 7.
This macros on to format that pages It tells you how to create the man page.
If you embedded in the the man man Page, there is a reference to apropos in some distro as apropos is separate command.
In others, It's it's not there. But you.
What you can do is you can say, man, Dash K.
And that'll give you the same thing, as it calls the apropos functions.
Okay, And there's a the nice thing about that It's it's helpful in it.
It'll go and look at those descriptions, and you knowll find all of the screen that that that match up with that string that you give to.
Apropos, okay. And further on down I will assume, jump back to the command line and show after Po.
Oh, yeah, propose?
sometimes it's so helpful, and you may want to go ahead and type that for less to see.
Probably all these things have who I call apropos manual, and this every one of these has.
A just the word, manual in the description that they provide for these string.
These commands or functions. The referenceure man interface to the system records nandals, And that's in section one Further on down man pass one.
It talks about to pass the man Tangible pages.
Rpm: Our Tfm face is a reference thing
a lot of times there'll be a call to say Read the Friendly Manual, and that just links back to this man.
Page. Tell you how to use the man pagers. Okay, jump into.
That's after Paul. Now. There, in addition to man pages, the there are things called info pages, and a lot of people do not know about it.
No info pages they use, essentially, as far as I can tell, they use the emacs, have keys to navigate.
Yeah, not not being a he, Max users, I find it difficult to navigate normally.
man pages, uses the navigation keys for Vi. And that's one of the reasons I like.
Vi. You learned to use those keys is to navigate, and they're pretty much standard, particularly with the older commands they use they use that for navigation on the command line, and Go back well do that
Good. Okay, Next page.
7. Okay, man there. You know we you can. There are sections called in in those 8 sections.
There's generally a a man page called Intro, which is an intro to that section.
There's an intro. This is the first section, and this goes to the second section and Intro to the third, and so forth, and so on.
You can go to the Nantage and clear pre I do a man intro, and by that period and a one you can say, Go to man Page, to see it in the left hand corner, it says intro in parentheses one that's the intro to the per second and it described itself
as an answer to the use your finance and beginners really ought to go and and read this.
This particular man, Page, because it gives you a very nice short introduction to to the scale login and a couple of other things, and some general good to know.
Kind of introduction to talks about directories and processes, and also some recommendations for others.
Other command line shells locate and man and log in you, wanna spend an evening, go through the login page and he gives you a description, And there was This thing called standards in this in this section, 7 anyway.
Going back to here. Look at that section. 2 got a different description is introduction.
Section 2 introduction introduces the system calls when it talks about the system, calls in return values and notes, and see also a number of other things.
I want to look at Section 3 There's Section 3. So is library functions.
Okay, I don't really go into those, because those generally libraries for coding and so forth, and not a of great interest to to me in particular.
But if you do, a man dash a intro yeah steps you through each of these man. Page intros to keep.
I mean this is using the less program to navigate the the the screen, and if you click that with a queue, it says, and that, you know you can skip or go to the next mantage, intro to 8 and it goes into weight, if you click that it'll go to yeah.
sure 3, and then it goes into 2, and it goes so forth and so on.
Our first presenter tonight is the for the basic tutorial session is Stan Reichert.
It goes through all of them, and it's a difference
Well, the it is not an obvious order. The order is well.
First it pulls up one for the for the new users, and then 8 is the system.
Administrator commands that you may be interested, in that that you have to do so.
The normal user all if he's doing command line stuff all he's ever gonna do is well, for the most part is going to be the standard user commands And the this admin group commands and russia stops the 3. And A 2.
Or for pro programmers. The 5 goes into detail about the the file structures, and and 5 and 4 and then 6 talked about games and set, you know, so forth, and so on.
7. Yeah, So yes, a strange sequence. But they have a name, a method to their madness.
There they shall, one and one and 8 right up front, because that's the one that keeps probably be interested.
In course you can. You can get down to 3, or whatever you could control sheet and and click, that sequence jumping back to my slides, Boom!
Hi! Want to do that You see, it goes through an odd sequence, but it has a purpose.
No, I discovered X-men. That was an old gr, the semi-graphical kind of kind of but
Kind of command Man X-men, I'm gonna jump back to command line, and I say, man, next man, and since it's sort of graphical, I'm gonna pump up the background.
Here. Whoo, boom, boom! No, you may not see it on my screen, but it should come on, Folks
Oh, okay, okay, Maybe not.
Yes, man next to me. Oh, yeah, I'm looking at the man page for for X-men.
It's a it is for use with the actual windows, systems for graphical.
This place? Okay? So it's this: This is kind of, you know.
It's a graphical way of navigating the man pages, and I really like it.
Very good. It talks about and then they just notice here where it talks about After this Administration Section 8 instead of the the other designation it.
Like I said earlier, it has L for local and and set of 9. It says L.
For local, and for new, and and oh, so it just depends on the collection of the man pages that you may have okay and there's some lot of interesting information this part I don't understand because I May understand it but it's been so long since I looked at it I'm not sure what it.
Does, anyway. Files and And so for C. Also, environment offers.
Anyway, So if you run X-men this is where I put it.
The background. Oh, he may notice, Stay down on the way down in the left hand corner of it popped up this little bitty, teeny, tiny little thing.
Okay, you click on that. It shows you the man page can.
It shows options and sections. If you put that, it talks about it pops up. It's got a reference to those sections.
Okay, if you section here boom the case, you to these sections.
Oh, my goodness! Expand this thing up! This is an old thing, and you know, do 5 columns there.
This alphabetical and now the navigation on this thing, with your mouse.
See how it does a double arrow thing. There, I'm not real sure what that does, but if you do a a A.
Hello, left Carol, or left button on your mouse.
It'll start going down. I know these are too small for Gary to see, but there's no way that I can make the font jump any bigger in this that i've been able to that I've worried about, because I can see the stuff on my terminal and
if payment wants to make it bigger, go up and top of the screen, and you can zoom in 200%
Oh, okay, but I'm not gonna mess with that, because I don't want to screw up my
No, you don't have to, but if they might need it, they can zoom in.
Okay. Okay. But all this stuff. The house is all alphabetical, And the first time I ran unix I fell in love because I'd been a a a a user of dos and back, in the day but it what it does have like 90 or 90 commands or something like that and the first time, I
hit unix. It had, like 3 or 400 commands.
That that doesn't seem to be an obvious order to me.
Wow! I I I hit the jackpot here because I was.
I was really tired of that stuff, I tell you, and but left button the left button and the left button.
So they it help shoot them down into the F's already.
Okay, and I'm not even halfway through that. I don't know how.
I've forgotten how many commands are in this in the command line, and this is just the the, mostly the stuff that's required.
that a you, a new user might use. It's not necessarily stuff that root would use.
Okay, No, They go up and go to section for 8. There's just admin the root user boom.
It's got a whole different show of commands. Yeah, Head: Okay, not nearly as many.
But these are all the Oh, okay, the nice thing about that.
You pick one of these, you know, would say, being that it will pull up the page for that that particular command.
Npa: Go back to Section 8. Boom my phone make make file system here.
Boom, build out a Linux file system. Hmm!
That's really nice for for davidating this thing, and it'll allow you also.
you see here, you know, while since then I've used any of this stuff.
But anyway, devices, these are all the devices you're talking about.
The yeah, Vmware, if you've got vmware install, it's the so forth.
This, you know, devices it talks about random random numbers.
Things like these. It's all device sections. And then this file format.
You go in there, and these are the database and configuration files and and description files.
And then, you know, like shells, they see path. Name is that you?
You can shut shells a file inch at sea.
Shells, and you can use it to describe what shells are on your system and things like that.
Okay, Doom option searches. I mean, Okay, where do I want to go from here?
Let me go back to my slides. Okay, and we could use it.
There's a man. Vi: Yeah, as a command. Somebody, Jekyll, one that me
Call view where you can go in, and you could look at that particular file.
Now also I've discovered good man. I talked earlier about after Paul Command line.
Let me click, control And I'm going to quit.
Excellent boom.
Yeah.
Man: Okay.
Okay, Man: Fish: there's a distinction between these 2 commands.
That's kind of important
Alright.
I'm not sure why I'm there. We go after a call, Matt
First one showed up. Okay, same kind of thing. If you navigate through a couple of different sets here.
Yeah, and it pops up. He starts talking about a thing called info.
Okay.
And good for reading info documents.
And I'm not sure what this is. Control V: I'm gonna skip that one and read, read the February Manual back to Man Page Yeah.
And anyway, I forget exactly what I was going to say about that.
Not yet, major, but something you might want to explore later.
Excuse me, yeah, info. And pfo, or or I discovered info is for reading beautiful pages, which are a more structured layout.
A description of commands and everything. There are things out there that don't have man pages.
But they have info pages, and I prefer using the command called peaiful, and you may need to install that because it's in repositories.
But it's not installed by default Info normally is just installed by the call.
Put the thing about pencil. Pnfo. Well, let me let me show you a couple of things. Need me an info. One.
Np: Okay, back to community info. You saw that before a little bit for because for reading the info documents, and it's got, of course, the you know, the got options to it, and he shows some examples.
And and if you just by itself, run info, Oh, it calls this thing up there.
Okay, And these things go into the common option, shared utilities and and a number of of things
I don't like it very much, because I get in here, and I get get lost, and it's kind of hard for me to to navigate the thing.
I'm right now. I'm just using the down arrow key.
But anyway, I like the pea and folk Man: okay, because it is the Vi navigation keys. Okay, the Ibm that uses A J. And Ak.
And things like that It's it's reviewing me for files.
It. Now, if you read the description in synaptic it, it talks about how much it it claims.
It is so much better because the original info pages uses in arcane navigation structure.
Okay, anyway. Pfo: by itself. I you know how many Let me go to show you.
If info by shop. Okay, it's all black and white, and things are underlined.
No, he quit blah blah blah review pfo.
That's what you get stuff in color. Okay, And you know it.
It talks about what you can do in emacs and mouse button to blah blah blah.
I don't understand that. But if you navigate down, notice all the share utilities are something a function in in Red jay down to the next level.
That's highlighted. Well, this is this is hyperlink.
Here. Okay, core. Utilities. Oh, it's an introduction to record utilities.
And this is all laid out, very structured compared to the man cages.
Okay, notice. I've got an introduction here. If it's you know, this introduction is gonna talk about an overview and and caveats and provision and challenges with a program as it'll talk about common options and things.
Like this is strictly no core utilities. Okay, in general description, kind of thing goes through navigation.
The Space pound down. It just goes down to that. Now section.
If you go up it goes back, and it, you see, if you go down common options go to the bottom of it, displaying the bob, it'll jump to the the next section.
Here, this section here if I go down to there. Boom!
Get jumped into the the common option section and it talks about whatever.
Anyhow. That's Pmf: I like it much better.
Then The man page now if there's a man page available, is first thing it will do is show you the man page There's an option to turn that off.
But look notice in the man page. See how it says in the middle of the screen it says, Man 7.
And you can do a lp and searched.
I didn't know to make let me back up there, Jake.
Cake Space bar. Nope: Okay, messed up My, I've missed up my navigation here as you can
Boom highlight that red and hit return. It jumps to that page
And those references. It is hyperlinked for about P.
And full, whereas the man pages will tell you about these things.
But it doesn't hyperlink through them. No, you can't get there from here
One of the main reasons I really really like the p info for navigating info pages and man pages.
Okay, further down, That's that's that's that's that's I'm looking for.
Yeah, and doing the queue, the the K. Key, J. T.
J okay K K K K K package I didn't know there was an attributes.
Man, page Wow! You're just standards, page etc., etc.
Pfo.
Now Pfo, since it's installed it install something installed.
It'll install the I think it's got a man page If not just got info pages whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah. Come on, Key, Pearl.
Cool, does have info pages for the vehicle.
Command. Yeah, He talks about Hmm: all the options.
You can. Get it. You can. You can. You can designate it.
You can actually say day for after Paul. And if this sets Africa will call apropos to look for a man page after it's it, finds that there is no man, page it'll It'll run Africa and Look for something that that commands okay.
Option in the string. Very useful
Okay anyway.
Hmm! There's the the man page for badge, and it is considerable, and the function calls it within it, or highlighted, and you can hyperlink to it with P. And folks and let me go down
Yeah lot of material to learn what was the other thing Here
That pn for built in, take you to the the special page for bash built-ins, which is something later on, very important to here
Quite in depth in doing stuff with the bash scripting, and so forth.
Anyhow. Yeah, is that page cool next page 9? No remembers the summary.
The command line stuff you need to know about after po mankind.
If you don't, if it's not fair, there's a thing called aptitude.
I trying not to take that out of there and put it in a later section, but the info and the Pmf.
Stuff and man, man next man, an aptitude in synaptic or or 2 other semi graphical web of finding stuff.
Okay, I'll go to the next page here. So we've talked a little bit about command line interfaces before we go directly into looking at the graphical stuff I want to talk about the not quite graphical thing is is and that's that's the the aptitude.
And synaptic, and there are high level interface for package managers, and it's an epic is a graphical management, especially from the graph of management for software packages and that and then them I like The them hasn't I didn't quite structure these men these these slides the way.
that they They went back, you know I only get them about an hour ago.
So whatever he's kind of close, but him has internal health.
If if you run, if you need help or something, there's I mean, there's a man page for them.
It doesn't go in a lot of cool.
Let's see, there's say pfo or or info for them.
It'll bring up the man page for them. Okay, that's worth reading, but it doesn't go into the extreme detail of all the things that them can do.
I mean, despite you know, it's got like 87 little options here.
sure.
That's not half of what you could do in in the in the Ven editor itself.
You go into them itself. You go in there. It's actually has help.
If you know, down here in the screen, it you you call and help going to call and help.
That's the internal built-in help. And this, you know, if you you are, gonna spend about 12 days reading stuff about when them can do for you in the help file.
Eve.
It. It can do it. It's in. It's in there, so you can go ahead.
Great. Got a quick question. Alright. I'm on the man Pages.
How? How, if you can, you take the man page and spooled off to a file, so you can re play with it better like if you take the man the best man page, There's so much there.
Go ahead. Yeah.
Right.
yeah, just redirect that to a file should be able to.
You just get lost if you want to scroll off to a file and make some sense out of it.
If you do a man man Space Bash Karen, you end up in the man Page.
Well, man, yeah, yeah.
Okay, Okay, that is 3,725 lines long
Now, if you want to print it. So that, and really you could print this out.
Thank you.
It's all text, you know. Wraps, screwy, and things like that, and it's and it uses very simple fonts that are you know, whatever.
But I there's a option in good man.
Oh, I see! It's in the guys. I think it is.
Hmm.
Anyway, there's there's an option here in here.
I can't remember exactly where it is. Yeah, you can print out a real pretty page, because it uses really nice fged with.
well you know they where they that
The Gs. Go down extends below the line, and all that kind of stuff, and it'll even do subscription on your page and output and things like that, and we're in here somewhere but there's another way to to print
yeah, all man pages are like Roth or trough documents on the hood.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and I it is with a dash t option somewhere.
I think it's okay. T: capital T man. They shell tasty makes a Dvi file and he and he print out.
It's it's like a a it's like a really fancy or not dancing is the word I look for.
It's a very elegant. I guess it's better word it uses a better set of fonts, you know, as a Pdvi file.
It's like it's like a It's a postcript file, file, which is of the predecessor to Pdf.
Anything will read a Pdf. File, read a a a postcript file, and it is very, and when you print it out it's it's very easier much easier to read because of the usually I a cleaner set of thoughts, and but that's a diversion.
Here, let me get back to my slides, anyway.
See here!
Anyway, also that there's a thing called vim tutor, or which is, I'd like to point out and understand.
There's X man and G man G. Managing. I showed you the X man.
There's a G man, which is a a It It says that it's a good replacement for for X-men.
This is the description, and it gave itself. I would not say it's a good replacement.
Bye. For one thing, I loaded it on this machine today, ran it once.
The second time I loaded it, broke. I didn't have time to fix it.
Okay, I broke it on me today. I had no time to troubleshoot and found out why it broke.
But if you, if you go to the next X-men
And I I ran that bye, grabbed them off place. I ran.
The man. Page and I ran the section, and whatever, and I show you how you can invite extending it, you can get multiple calls.
Well, the G man is sort of the same, but it only does one call, and he's got 500 commands here.
It takes you forever to find a thing, unless you just do an option to go search for whatever you already know what it is.
You know, and so I don't like the G. Man. But I I wanted to show up to you, but the X-men is much older.
I to Debian, been there forever? I I would really cry if they ever stop putting it in in their repositories.
Anyway, that is what. But I wanted to mention, And there's another one I can't remember what it is. I couldn't.
I couldn't find it for tonight's session.
But there's a there's a couple. There's one or 2 other graphical man page viewers, but I don't like them as much as that.
X. Man, the old, the old, Yeah, the old man there, anyway, going back to slides 12.
Okay, then, there is
Coolie! How is it the yelp system That's kind of like the aptitude and synaptic?
Not really. Man Pages Howard.
I need to show you what they are. Yep. Go to yelp a lot of the gnome tools have built in guides and stuff.
These are the graphical things that are that are by No, thank you.
All health. They've got graphical stuff, bye. Come on, still cranking here, folks.
Oh, there you go! We've got a manual spherical calculator, boom, graphical, you know.
Keyboard. You know things like that. You've got history, whatever, and we go back back back
There you go! All help! Is that it's got a desktop user guide.
It's got a graphical documentation for a lot of the stuff like the clock Clock mail, and it talked about the character, palette, and character map.
And this is a lot of stuff that's not in the man.
Pages He's got stuff of a graphical infiltration.
It's not even an info page. It's got a well, he's got a thing on Yeah, sort of being got a manual for those for eyes.
Yeah, talks about. You guys think that cute. Yeah, there's a lot of arcade stuff.
A lot of stuff is done by the the known project people.
And yeah.
and which one is this
This is Yup, Yankee Echo, Luma!
Papa.
You run that from the command line you can shut it up. You can.
You can build yourself a link to the command, and put it in your in your manual, I in your menu If what if you just run yelp from the command line?
I and I deal with an ampersand afterwards, because it makes a little cleaner.
Which is a lot of this stuff here
Mate control center manual is that no pixel?
You see Kicks is a graphical displayer that that you know.
I I think there's a man page for it, but this picks help.
He's got great stuff talking about browsing your files and printing your files.
All kind of crazy things. Okay, that's just no, it's it's all printing images and getting to do no yup and print around yeah I want to get out of this one here.
I want to get back to all home Help! Why have you bit of stuff here?
And soaptic package managers. See how good that is.
introduction. This is enables you to install software on in in its graphical interface to install and stuff, like first app not yet or strictly command line stuff.
Chinatown is a graphical thing, and this is the manual port. It's in a yelp page.
Okay, I use this for searching for all kinds of stuff.
That's how I found out about P. Info. And now I found out about aptitude, and how I found out a bunch about a bunch of other, and of course I wasn't particularly looking for them because I didn't know what their names, were and they didn't necessarily show up, and something that that
I search for. But I ran across him. Because you know, a page of this stuff will come up, and I'll see something, and and I'll see your names.
that seems like an interesting name. What does that do?
And now I'll click on it, and it'll display a short description of what it does.
Okay, And it's you know, it's kind of like it. This, some of this stuff is similar to what's in a man page, but it's different.
Okay, So that's synaptic and kind of you cancel this right now.
Apparently. Anyway, that's yeah, no, no reading the Friendly Manual. There's a there's a wiki page on that.
It's good worth reading There's also the Linux Documentation Project, and there's a a link to the The kernel or dock man pages things right there.
Those are some interesting links there, and I'm gonna skip those 2 slides.
But anyway, you know, this is presented to you at the You know we have this a slug web page, you know, are your main group.
We've got man, we got email, We've got wikis, we even have an Irc, which is dormant because nobody uses.
The thing somebody asked for it. We put it together and I don't even know, but still works.
I never use it. I don't like Ir, she because I cannot type that fast and keep up with other people.
Okay. Never could anyway. Slug sponsored groups is slack, And in the St. Louis Linux users group and the new, Luck which is newcomer.
Linux uses group. No, if anybody's got any questions now, it's a time for additional questions.
Is the clock running
so obviously people thought man pages were a good idea, and started to extend the idea
I'm done
Alrighty. That was Stan Reichert. Thank you very much, Stan
Stan's, the Vice president of our group, which means he's the one who does everything.
Actually, and so we thank him for an excellent nice introduction here to mant pages and you're at the monthly General meeting of the St.
Louis Unix users group the way our group is structured for these general meetings on Wednesday night is we put the announcements and introductions in the middle, so after the the first presentation, which is What Stan just did and so?
now we're gonna do those announcements, we'll have a very short General Q.
A. If anybody just has anything, not apropos to our speakers this evening, which is that they wanna mentioned to bring up.
There's also time after the main speaker to also do more.
Q. A. And discussion, and so I guess we'll move on.
Do the announcements, announcements next Thursday week from tomorrow is the St.
Louis Linux uses group. It's a another.
Another version of this group and the presentation next week is by Stephen Lombard.
it's on encrypting fuse or encrypting file user file systems.
There's a been some discovered faults, and the way people have done it.
The past and so he's going to teach us how how to best encrypt it.
So of course, a lot of times you use a user space file system on an external drive.
They're easy to get lost, you know. Get picked up by somebody else.
It's good to have them encrypted, so somebody else can't just start reading your stuff So other announcements.
let's see what stand we got. Any schedule changes, or anything we should know about
stan your mics off if you're talking
alright. What's the topic for next week
Oh, I'm sorry I was doing a phone call thing.
I just mentioned that it's encrypted user file systems
There.
Hmm.
Okay.
And I got nothing else other than the new Linux user group is on the fourth Tuesday of the month, and you do.
We. It's if people have questions about graphical use, we move.
Go down that road 9 times out of 10 people will ask a man with stuff, and we can do that too.
But we've tried to point out the I'll have alternatives in the graphical how to do stuff graphically and so far, Me, you know, these days a person can run as far as I'm concerned, a person can start using Linux and 98,% of the time you'll never never never
never need to get the command. Line. Lot of times. Somebody will run into problem and they'll go.
Go and induce search on the Internet, and they'll find descriptions and how to solve the problem with the command line, because it's so much easier to do it that way.
All the graphical stuff is really a front end to to command line stuff.
No, it's easier to fix it, and faster to fix it that way.
And sisters, 925 different distros, and about 380 of them are still active, 380 different ways to to graphically use, display.
Display what you're doing. So 98% of the time, the the command line stuff just works across all of them.
So it's a lot easier to do command line stuff.
No, we're indoctrinating the upf.
you know
Right, right right? And you know, you know, I'm one of those graphical people, because I came from windows and you have to become what would I say experienced on using the command line because the one time I tried to use it I really miss my system.
The new people
Yes, Linux is not intuitive. Unix is not intuitive.
Windows is not intuitive. Apple Mac is not intuitive.
I I had access to a an apple machine for a whole year.
One time with nothing better to do but play with it. I honestly I had a job where I was bored to death.
The only thing I could get that apple box do is which brows the Internet period.
I couldn't figure out how to do anything else, because I had nobody to show me any of this stuff.
I had no clue how to use it. Of course that was a older machine, but was not intuitive.
Up at discombobilated the file system of a hard drive, so
okay.
I mean none of it is, and I used to. You should do helps desktop.
Okay, Nobody easily. Gets into this stuff unless they got somebody to.
Well, what I'm
Right, right. What I'm seeing, though, is that it's just easier to mess your system up if you're a newbie.
At least sure first 5 min on how to do a something
The the Gui is more is is safer to use for a newbie.
Yeah, cause I won't mess stuff up a little. A goodi will say you're about to.
Is it
You're about to format your hard drive or use that.
What you really want to do, and and and a command line we'll go ahead and go ahead and do it.
Well.
You know, but good, good. Yes, yes, it's a little safer.
Yeah, you're the boss. I'll do it.
Well, that's just the guy that wrote to Graphical.
So until I get to learn the command line. Good!
you know you say that, but I remember my very first Linux install.
I tried to dual boot in Xp. Within a bone to, and that broke my windows.
If he put those safety in there for you. If he didn't do that, you're screwed, anyway.
Well, and it's and it's it's windows, windows, windows, windows, is a problem.
Windows are that problem. There. But I don't. I do not recommend diluting anything anymore.
Period. It's it's it's too hard for somebody that's not familiar with all the intricacies to fix that.
your goals cannot be completed as dialed. Please
The gre, the grub, and any other boot manager that that you had 2, and this the standard windows, the bootload, the standard wind, Microsoft windows, Bootloader is not Linux friendly It is not Doable friendly.
That's true. That's true. I
It really is not it will break in a heartbeat.
Okay, Now, there. There is a a bootloader that that is friendlier.
It's a little complicated. I I can't remember the name of it off in right now.
I'll try and look it up and post it, and discuss.
But I used to use that, and it was. It was friendly.
I mean it would. It would do Windows and Linux, and all, you know, and it it was kinda it was very friendly.
I wanna move on. We're running a little long here, and so I want to get to our main speaker.
if if is anybody absolutely have some quick Q.
A. Type question the need to throw in here at half time.
They can't wait till late
Not hearing anything. I'm gonna move on forward, then, see?
Oh, there was one other announcement: Friday through Sunday.
It's on the slew calendar, but it's not part of our group.
there's something called code for America. It's also called the Brigade America.
Then it's been going on, I think, 6 or 8 years, but it it's a a nationwide movement or nationwide.
Maybe that organization. But the idea is, it's right something for the public good and a lot of times.
What they'll do is rather than just writing code for something They'll start investigating public databases There's a big project about 2 years ago in the City of Saint Louis that went in and analyzed all of the vacant property data in the City of St.
Louis and other ones have gone in and just organized.
You know things that the government always tells you. Yeah, you can go out and get this online.
But yeah, it's not easy to do so, anyway. This is a volunteer group of it's a 3 day conference at, you know.
They're just trying to organize and see what new projects they can do.
It's on our calendar. There's a physical meeting of it at tech already.
Still in the Central West End, or you can join it online.
so, and I really don't know what projects they have proposed, but if you're interested about doing something for the public good, maybe this is a way of doing it.
So with that, I'm gonna turn it over to our main speaker of the evening.
Tyler, Rudy Tyler works for Siemens, and it always seems like the things that Tyler is working on, It's even there are always multiple things which somehow interconnect and so.
He's got his fingers all kinds of things at work, So what's he doing?
Is fair time. Well, he somehow gets Microsoft windows games to run real Linux machine.
well, actually is a brand new Linux machine, steam deck And I'm gonna turn it over to Tyler, and he's gonna tell us all about scene.
Deck
Tyler, take it
How's that?
Yeah, bloody.
Hey! We can hear you now
Okay.
All right, Bobby, a month ago got a notification from Val that I was up in line for their newest device.
They call the theme Deck revolve a company that runs steam power.
PC. Gaming portal has been dabbling and hardware for what the last 10 years
Basically since windows. It came out when Microsoft came out with the Microsoft store.
They went. Yeah, this is a problem. Or Microsoft's trying to cut out out of the ecosystem
So most of them actually haven't been that successful. Anybody remember the seeing machines from like 2015, 2016,
Well, all right. The thing I figure, or the figure it is that next produces a lot of issues, because the hey?
So as shift, so much compared to windows, and the correct text stack, so developing, for it is kind of a small nightmare or company to do it.
few like pretty video games are, including one of the multiplayer games are It's got a Linux client in it.
It's right up so to solve that steam has been creating internal Co.
To mimic directx. So the steam deck is a can you limit to?
can kind of just ask for a question of clarification.
oh bye.
Direct taxer is the graphics processing layer.
opengl is It's one of its substitutes.
Vulcan is the big one that Md.
Is coming up with, and what this is all built on. Basically, it says they program.
I want a cube and directx on windows, says, Okay, graphics card, We need to build Xyz and do the rate tracing.
And all this other stuff. The simplifies programming, sure.
So there was a year or a half ago. I went over my current build where I've been using the steam software to run video. Games.
Now they've come out with the handheld
Basically it's let's see, here's a stake page.
Basically they looked at the
Oh, come on, pause! The intend to switch and set.
That's a great idea. Minus the removable controllers.
Can you tell us what direct X. Is?
So they built a P. Handheld PC. Powered by a zen to empty Apu.
Oh, cool from 2, point 4 to 3.5 Gigahertz, and with a our Dma to graphics, processor built in So this is just like If you.
Had a a chromebook or a laptop, with just CPU.
No dedicated graphics, and this custom trip that got it down to run between 4 and 15 locks.
And since it's a handheld, that's important.
I really like that. They didn't skimp on the memory because it's not upgradable
But 16 gigs should be plenty to run games in this format for a while.
In my opinion, I may be turn into next book Gates, and be totally left, but it also has A and Vm.
Slot, So basically the price differentiation was 66, 56, or 512 giga storage The system.
Also has a
Messy card, slot, so you can go out and pop in a Sd.
Card load games onto, it and then swap it later. The only input on it.
Let me switch over to my camera the only connection she has is this USB.
Type C on the top
Well, I guess there is an analog audio
I'm on the back. It's for paddle triggers.
Standard analog and digital shoulder buttons.
Standard
Oh, Tyler needs to push button that says, Sh! Share screen
All right. I'm gonna show you so I like connectivity. But it's a nice.
It's the Usbc. Is both power, delivery.
Display port I don't think it does Thunderbolt Haven't tried that Always my thunderbolt talk has a 3 and a half and 3, half millimeter audio Jack so you can plug in your old your normal headphones 4 paddle triggers on the
Hey!
back standard suite of of shoulder buttons, a standard suite of sticks, and abx Y and 2 touch pads.
did you say it had a maybe? Does it have? Does that?
Richard! Oh, I'm not sure. And then to help Buttons got it.
Have You USB: Port? Did you? Did you say it has, USB.
Port
We can get into one Usbc on top. That's used to charge.
Oh, Okay, I see. Okay.
It has display port out
the some sticks have contact. Awareness. So it knows when your thumbs are on the thumb sticks themselves, and that can be used rather the software that they show it in shows that that they will only enable the gyro If you had your thumb in game.
On the thumb strict, so you could, the moment you take your thumbs off of it, the driver turns off but that's up to the developer.
And for the software that come or for the hardware. Let me go back here to the
For the price that they they're selling up for.
It's actually fairly decent, especially with memory and storage.
the the nicest thing is that Steve has wrapped us all up into a device that squarely sits between PC.
And console.
So
Other things they did release a full tutorial, tearing down the device before they released it.
I think don't do this, but you know somebody's gonna do it.
They also. Have part, I believe, partnered with. I fix it, but you can buy every part. To the steam deck to repair it. It's not gatekeeped behind some kind of contract, for repair I believe they've actually started
Working to create a certified repair program. So they are very pro consumer, pro repair on this device, which is probably one of the things.
Okay. So before we go onto the actual screen, I'm sure you just one last thing.
So this is and Nintendo switch in comparison.
This is better This way.
so, Tyler, can you plug it in plugging into your larger display
I will well actually captured the output one. So we get done here, and then, and thickness wise.
She's fairly thick. But again, my hands. This is fairly actually a bonus, because, playing on my switch, I will get and cramps
Oh, let's look at the ui
well well as firing up you'd mentioned when you touch the thumb controls, that engages the gyros.
Yes, I know it's a slow charger
So, and the saw in the game that they they ship with this to show how to use the steam deck.
The valve, chose to show how Bye, sensing, when my thumbs are on the sticks they can enable or disable the gyro so I could have gyro control over something in game and the moment I take my thumbs off it turns it turned the gyro off in
game, so you couldn't AIM anymore
So okay, let's go home. Okay.
And fire up again. So
one of the things that valve has done is I look at my library.
I have this
Section says, Great on deck, and these are games that valve has certified.
Run well, and then have a good experience on the deck itself.
So
Trap over to the game info when you purchase schemes you can actually see that details on everything is they've checked the controls controllers.
actually show the icon. So there's something else we'll get into called the steam Api, which is and interesting progression, where the software can ask what's controlling the software
and then alter its prompts. Yeah.
But if it's not certified, let's say
Let's find one that's got an issue. So here's Borderlands, an email.
Have this report that says, Oh, by the way, it's playable.
But some things require the mouse or keyboard, and or non steam deck, icons, courses is borderlands.
It's from
2013,
So kind of expect an old game like that not to play it nice with new hardware.
So with the steam deck Api or the input Api. See here, where's cursed golf
We're not
Or I thought you would be
And
Maybe
Well, here's my test, and I can use that details.
Some in game, Texas, small, and may be difficult to read.
Oh, this thing has a 720 P. Screen. That's honestly 7, 8 inches diagonal.
it's gonna happen. Oh, we go through it, while yeah, through the 2 shortcut buttons we can look at here.
We always have certain things that allow us to get to things like keyboard.
There's the keyboard, and on the actual touch screen you can touch type.
It's also in a nice little here, everything from
Okay.
Toggle, the magnifier, so
L one. So if I hold down let's say I can't see something.
I held these 2 but buttons down.
And now it's going to magnify the screen
That doesn't help
Okay, it's on the touch of the screen. So if I had a question about something that was designed for a 20 or 30 inch monitor at 4 K, I needed to read something
system will let me do that.
Again. We could see here down here in the upper right.
There's a prompt for a
Which is because it's on the okay.
seam deck, controls.
Oh, that was good!
I can use the touchpads to look around like I was if it was in the mouse, or I was running on my normal computer.
there are many options
Or shortcuts. Also we have this nice little quick menu.
So while in game, I can sit here and tweak certain things.
So steam notifications, front lists, brightness of the display
Audio do I need to put in airplane mode, rumble optics
And it's actually saying it's scaling the ui cause I'm plugged into an external monitor
When I ever have it. When you put your finger on a twice down on 2 race right trackpad, and it kind of rumbles a bit or responds with a pulse on the track that to tell you that you clicked or something like that
got it as a response to pushing it for a clip.
Yeah.
But you're talking about also. It might just rumble for some other reason, and clicking it
Yeah.
Well to gain Controller, or sometimes the James M. The Controller, rumble.
you have a frame limiter and adjustments that we can use in game itself.
this is probably the best way to save battery power.
There's to just say Irish needed at 30 frames per second instead of
Sure.
We also can turn on the
that's actually a real important trick to know is that that's gonna save the battery power.
Right.
Right, so on the left, steam key comes up with the general menus.
now. Hello! All the controls, settings, achievements.
This really interesting is that you can even Ron games that you think that we're require a full, fat Gpu.
oh, cool!
So here's our notorious cyberpunk
And it brings up the cyber prompt launcher.
Let's go ahead and start
And I have a here limited to 30 frames per second.
I have a quick question. Is there any steam? VR compatibility with this like?
Huh!
VR. Tracking itself. I don't believe so like the VR.
Headset from Htc. I just I don't think it's powerful enough to do that.
No, I do have a I do have a interesting middle of the road, because right now I can't see anything on the screen.
Because it's typed into my
Now, here's the see the thing that I may need see.
See, there. I can barely see what that is, but that's actually a start.
Menu. I believe
we are, go ahead and bring up the diagnostics.
Because it's not showing
When you're showing Okay.
this is
It's a question about what input does what there's the full interface.
So Nope, Actually, they this one is not using the steam.
Api
So you would have to run, or the steam input Api, so you would have to map keybinds to endgame.
So you're gonna have to come in here to settings and say, Okay.
Whose controls.
And tweak things as you like them. Huh! So
And this was interesting because basically the secret sauce here is valve, managed expectations.
Well they understood. They made it said, We understand that this isn't going to be hey?
Kick, ass, run everything at p performance, handheld or gaming machine which gives
api. A little breathing room in the Compete space.
People understand that if I plug this in I'm not gonna get 4 k 120, our frames per second.
oh, if if I I really appreciate it, Peter's question.
But let me compare apples, apples, it.
It does like the nintendo switch can it, handle A.
The idea here is this big: You get to play your games on the go
a VR. Headset
Go.
yeah, I don't even think it's possible to plug in like the steamback underpowered, and Valve has said, No, there's no goals to try and get it working with headsets.
That was A: No. Okay.
Oh!
Okay.
Sure! Here's a massively multiplayer online game that has a very has gone through the trouble of actually developing a Linux client.
And it works just fine.
See here!
Let's see here settings. So for those who were wondering about this is
Built on the 5 dot 13,
Version of the Linux kernel, and it's also running Arch Linux.
So which surprise me every time I try running March Linux.
I get confused about what I have to compile
Controller keyboard, And if we need something let's say I want to actually install something.
So proton has a its own cousin called Proton Ge.
Where proton is produced by
Oh, valve itself. Proton Ge is a community driven version, and if we need to, I have you have the ability to install other versions of proton into the system, and then one of the neat
developments over the last year year and a half is that they've made this a lot easier.
So to show you how that works, we're gonna go to the desktop.
As this is a PC. In the end
we're gonna see if it plays nice
And of course you're not doing it. Yeah.
Desktop mode. It looks like it likes to
Mirror, not near the displays. Properly. Okay, Maybe that's it.
And this is one of the few things that I've noticed that it has an issue with is that
If it's trying to do something else. For example, right updating steam booty, something else.
You have to wait for the steam deck to actually finish that preferable respond
exactly.
1 s. Let me see if I can get this to behave nicely.
I think it just does not like mirroring the desktop
Alright. So we have a full desktop here, so let's see here.
I believe it's called discover.
we have a full
See here, see if we can find loop, trash.
There's lutras, which is basically the competing storefront to steam, And I am now just going to install it.
Onto my steam deck, and Steven doesn't give a rip
Cause I could take, hack my God games, and install on this
I'd like to see. He intend to let me do that with my playstation games.
again. This is intended, It is supposed, to be an open platform, like one of the best things is, it comes with an open Ssh.
Yeah.
with proton. They have come out with proton up qt.
Which is in the the discovery store, You don't actually even have to type a command.
I could come in here and say, Oh, by the way, I know that I need.
Let's say.
Dot, 3, 5 or proton 7 to get my game to work correctly. Don't know why.
That's right. The guys on the form Sorry by select it.
I hit install
And she's gonna count this. Ui will download it and install it for me.
So you don't have to go hunting to put the right full file in the right folder
So proton and proton gee have become a 1,000 times better and easier to use
and what's the difference between proton and proton?
Yeah.
Proton is written, but and distributed by valve with steam Proton Gee is a community driven and written replacement for those issue.
Specific issues that people find with games that proton. That's valve hasn't addressed Yeah, it's a fork.
They forked.
So protons e is a little more ahead, and a little more unstable.
But they get fixes quicker. Proton is the supported version from steam or valve themselves
And you can enable each one specifically for games. The idea is that you're not locked into a specific version of the libraries.
What else was I going to go over
Same approach. They're even doing some development around in the input itself.
So let me go back to
if you have a problem you can tell full into the command line.
And actually, you know, figure it out
Usually there's a desktop icon that it says.
Return to steam, I will reboot it instead
And we'll get to see the nifty little animation.
Look at how which you can change. I've heard that the they've actually got specific folders that you can go in, and if you want to to, be I don't know
see, if you're a Gundam fan.
I'm gonna want it the boot up sequence for the from Gundam seed Are you in the right format? She'll show up.
On, start
Instead of being locked into what valve decided
Let's see here. We'll use swim. Rancher, as our getting pig, mainly because I less likely to die.
So if we go in here to properties and compatibility, we can now select what version for time?
Gee, we want to run it, with or proton itself.
So version, 7 ge proton, portal and experimental
There's also options on the controls, and they have an entire library of control schemes
they're supposed to be
The other thing is to come in here and edit. So this one knows the steam Api.
So, instead of having jump through keyboard, shortcut keyboard command to in game command, we can go straight.
Whatever game command is
Triggers, track rats.
There's also these virtual menus. So if I come in here, and I say
We can create a radio. Or I can add.
Add, your
Let's add a screenshot or slanta pizza, and
hmm.
I believe this one's actually loading off the Sd.
alright, and
open map
Radar talk.
Oh, I'm gonna have to go back through the instructions, but it gives you a way to add additional commands, and it menus to get to controls that Normally, we you have your entire 100, and 10 key keyboard.
To do.
since you know, I only have what 12 inputs
H, 9, 1113, 1414, 16,
Yeah.
great. I march shift movement. That's oh, that's probably why I didn't track correct
Might be her test. One
It's called flickstick. I must be missing where to turn it on
But
Instead of using the normal pan and tilt, that the right stick would use, it uses The right stick is used as a top down control, so if you push it forward you'll look ahead of you if you push down.
On my stick. You will look behind you, and then so basically the right stick becomes the y-axis, like.
If you were in a car game
And then the gyro becomes your x, so as you tilt it up and down you we can.
Oh!
name up, and down, which means, instead of having to push the stick to the right, to move to the right.
Thank you. Oh, there he goes, open, Map slim or Pv.
Right.
So it's an interesting device. The biggest thing that I find in it from this is
There was a game that I was trying to get working, but couldn't because of the Drm.
And because of the steam deck, and it's console like status it is now more palatable for future developers.
To say, Yeah, we're going to develop for the steam deck.
And that means it's gonna be they're going to put in the effort to deal with Linux.
And yeah, it's gonna be arch, but at least they're putting in the effort right
Everybody asleep.
as you have something against arch
Okay, now. I'll
That's what makes it
curious my understanding with arts. You have to compile everything
so they're probably doing it that way because they get then can seeing them so can say we can.
This is how the libraries and everything else are going to behave.
Okay.
Alright.
The thought I keep on having is, I really should try building another steam OS box sometime soon unplug.
Yeah, that, okay, that's what I was just gonna ask about.
A: Okay, xbox. Okay.
Well, yeah. Now, it's a port of arch. Originally it was supportive.
I I I had interpreted it, as the steam deck usually runs steam OS, which is a fork of arch
W
So
The thought. I keep on having is like really interesting to see what happens.
If I take us all PC. Throw
With a dedicated Amd graphics card. Nothing real to too powerful, I didn't even just try it with an integrated CPU and see.
If what happens when I install steam OS
Cause. You can also, for my 40 people to say, is the put in remote play, so you can be sitting on your steam deck and be streaming the game from Your playstation.
5, or Xbox
Scout the same controls
Linux has become a lot more palatable in the last year and a half flash 2 years to gamers
And it looks like valve is just pushing it further, mainly because Microsoft has made it your intentions known to cut them out of, the or cut them out of the middle
so so it so so is is steam OS. Then all compiled.
Questions, comments, any teams you guys want me to try launching. I know I can't get sound term
It it basically
yeah, further than that, like the root portation is read.
Okay.
We've you've mentioned the gyro. Obviously the gyro is enabling it to pick up rotational movements of the Controller.
It's all compiled. It is almost nintendo switch, like
are there also accelerometers that are picking up Xyz movements
That's what I would assume
Right. The question is, is, is, does the game understand that movement and program?
So if you just if you were to, you know, just suddenly move the Controller 2 foot in front of you, and and suddenly stop it with a jerk. It would sense that it just been swung like that like a punt
Right? Right? The hardware is capable of it. The OS It's up to the game to know what to do with it.
To use it
I'd also like to see. And I know this, for those who never used it.
maybe for Val to come out with a steam controller version.
2 with the steam ducks. Feature
So
I have somewhere
the original steam deck version, or our team Controller version.
are there she
One, and there was an interesting controller, just software, wasn't there behind you?
Too
Are there software security issues like our wall issues. We're playing with multi-users across the Internet
True
Well, I would probably be. Is thank you as if the games were playing on a PC.
So
So it's basically the in my opinion, it would be the same thing. As if you were plane on a Linux, PC: So it's probably even a little bit, better because they set as as they So my commented before the work partition there's all read only
What kind of security do you
I think I had read somewhere that they had just recently done an update to the OS.
You have to actually unlock it, to modify stuff
Okay, cool.
I've I've posted that and discussed last Thursday.
I think there's the the latest release of steam.
OS is release List Thursday, or Wednesday.
So Lee kind of made an interesting comment. He, he said this might be neat to if it could if I could use it to fly my drone.
Oh they're updating it all the time. I'm actually got an update to that, because I'm on the Beta Channel
I was thinking more about that built in display. Gary.
I'm not sure that you could interface the Rc.
Controls to it directly
Are there non gaming applications that that this has been used for like flying a drone
It should be a lot easier than using some of the typical drone controllers, cause, you know there's no display.
I see here
So it can run anything that's designed to run on Linux.
So here's Main
Okay, alright.
Right, right.
So if you go through and install, get to install and run, there is no reason why you couldn't, especially if it's Controller. Aware I had the thought of first robotics
Oh, yeah.
Right. They use small netbooks and a lot of times game pads to control their robots
If I could. If I could get the control software to run on the steam deck
Then you just walk up with the same deck plug in the Usbc.
To get your Ethernet link in power
And you're ready to rumble
I guess Chrome doesn't like what
Well, I'm I'm on running off the Usbc.
can you bypass using the battery? Can you bypass using the battery Because I've got red, that it's not the greatest battery time
Right now
If you get. I've heard of. There are battery packs out there that are putting out Ken negotiate and put out enough power to recharge the internal battery
Darling, that I have another trick up my sleeve
Oh, yeah, that's right, Okay.
I got a pair of those all lead glasses
So it's not technically AR. But it puts it to like a 50.
It's green in front of your face.
Prop, probably perfect for for doing stuff on the air on an airplane
I bought this to explore and use as an example for the St.
Louis Unix Group, for you'd be new people to see.
Yeah.
Yes, you can do all this on Linux, and it will run decent
Hmm.
Sometimes better than it does in windows.
Well, here's the big one I just saw
what's a good game for old Person to get started
What do you like to do
shoot first shooter.
Yeah.
First person shooter. I guess the question is, you just want
It'll be easy control, you know.
You wanna do multiplayer matches, or if you're looking for a story
Hmm.
Cyberpunk, I heard, is pretty good
Okay, but I have to figure stuff out on cyberpunk, though, Right
Oh, they got all the bugs worked out of it
It's got puzzles, you know.
Right huh?
Delete dangerous is pretty good. Let me see if that will launch
I just wanna fly a ship and spaceship and shoot out the window like stall Wars X 5 with that
Steam.
And if I joined steam, were there any free gain there
Yeah, free, free to play
Sky room at the roller coaster leave online equal to us
Okay.
So you had Ev. That's I thought I'd wanna
Oh, my! Oh, there you are!
all the half lives. Huh! It's actually worked not and mark us
infernal human resource. Track Box Park.
Just cause that has a Sambox
hmm.
Not work here.
Alright.
What's all the games that I have that are certified to run on the okay on the deck
Okay, A. Somebody's gone through and said, Yep, this works
You know it's super hot is an interesting one. It's not a traditional running.
God. Huh! First version shooter timely moves when you move.
What is a first person shooter?
Any other thoughts, or questions, or ring desires.
Up there at the top. It says Great on deck. 87
The office is almost back together
For information. So once we get a clearance from the yeah, I think the last thing we have to do is get the fire, Marshall to sign off
Hmm.
Oh, this is
Oh!
How disassembled was the office
Hey, again! Gary!
they ripped everything out, almost rebuilt it as a open floor Plan Workspace, and I'm like
Stupid.
I always hated open offices.
only nice thing that will come out of is, they will be replacing the projectors in one o 5
I just got back, boy. There is one fancy display you got there
oh!
Well, that's the gift of the scheme.
this slow a note that I could AIM, and shooting hit the target
Is. Time only moves in game when you move
So yeah, it's a running gun, but it's a little bit of a puzzler.
So
What you say. Running gut running, good.
I see here. I move, stick, and there's then he falls to the ground, and I guess I go through the store.
No.
Hello! Wrong!
oh!
so it
Unless you guys wanna sit, sit here and watch me play super hot
Hey, tatter! I've got a question for you
Alright.
So overall. This this this index looks like a could be a general purpose computer, just with joystick camp, plus a fed up the keyboard.
could you use for non-game purposes? I we kind of touched on that with busted about the drone, but say, I wanted to take long little machine to do diagnostics on like a car you know some practical purpose like that it looks like the way to do that is just set
up your application with something like not in the overall.
He overarching OS. But other than that you've got just regular networking capabilities.
No.
Yeah, it has a bluetooth radio. So you can plug a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard into it.
Problem, Bluetooth capabilities, anything you need to commit to real world
But
I'm kind of. I need to do some more testing with it in a Usbc talk
But I was just kind of curious whether that mind of of find what that might start with been explored by.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, and that's the reason why that you can unlock the OS.
And it has the Usbc. The Usbc
connection, because I'm right now using it as a display out.
Let's see my time. You know reason for using this for non-game purposes.
So that the capture card can can show the screen to you guys
I also have a m a mouse and keyboard plugged into same Usbc.
Doc. It's just a little flaky, because it's one of these cheap logitech media keyboards.
So I haven't. Tr. Sat down and actually tried to use it as a full-fledged, computer fully talk and everything.
I could see using it for diagnostics, for loading a couple wireless or network test tools.
Right.
Onto it since it is a full Linux PC.
5 min warning
And has a Wi-fi card. I don't think as a GPS sensor, so can't help you.
There.
from your demonstrations. You've been showing all night It looks like it's mostly no single-focused single application.
And I know the Linux can do multitasking human beings.
Is there any front-end support for quickly swapping between one application another?
Or do you have to completely exit the game, or whatever Bro.
But yes, it's Arch Linux and if you can get to run on Arch Linux, this thing probably can run it as long as it's not super CPU to intensive
Again. You're running to another one
the most. Really it's design. And the steam ui is dealing with These overlays
Good. Once you get into desktop mode it acts like a full desktop.
PC. The biggest problem I found is that team wants to do what team wants to do.
Okay.
And okay, it may take it if you minutes to clear that up I've also noticed when it has minimal Internet access.
Bye, vague part where you may or may not be able to get to the Internet, I try and decide if it's online or not, it will cause it to have issues.
And then just shove it. Turn off Wi-fi, and it should
Okay.
Yeah, one of the thoughts I had, or or the 2 thoughts I had was, Can I get it to wrong some kind of drone control program?
Via Wi-fi slash, Bluetooth Slash, Third party.
Usbc. Dongle and cannot get it to run the first robotics controller software
Cause. This greatly simplifies the driver station, for for sure robotics all the controls are built in You just have to plug in a USB cable.
And now you have your Ethernet connection to the playfield
From what I can tell, the biggest limitation right now is that the number of units that steam can produce, and I believe they just shifted from having to pre-order it, to having stock available, on I believe they opened it up up to Japan and a few other Asian nations for 4 orders
so they're out of the how to How do we build this phase?
I know 5 comments
and you don't by by no means need to order that most expensive one trustee card slot can take up to a terabyte of disk space, and it doesn't seem to affect the application performance that badly, what you may take on a few seconds on the load screen but that's
it.
Especially if you hear one of the a one or a 2 cards
I just spent out their money on the 5 pro version because I want to support steamed, and there efforts to free us from the groups of Microsoft
More questions.
I've been considering buying one as a Christmas present for my son.
Yes, I am literally sticking my no, my middle finger up to to Bill Gates.
He's got a what do you call the Nintendo Swift, or whatever that thing is?
The switch, yeah.
Let's see what this update does. Hey?
Tyler, What do you know about g-force versus steam
To force versus steam
are they more or less systems that do the same thing?
G forces or G-force. Now, I think, is Nvidia Steam or cloud, computing
my personal opinion of cloud gaming services is if I don't own hardware, I'm not investing in through it.
That's the reason why I'm purchasing 2, P.
Okay.
4 Oh, grid carts, so I can do cloud gaming for my niece and nephew off of the raspberry pi's.
So the raspberry pi you would own hardware, and what would it communicate with
Well, I have is a dell 7, 30 sitting in my home lab rack, and it's gonna be doing most of my virtual machines and
The cloud would be on my hardware. I'd be using an Nvidia grid car to do the virtual Gpu computing So all.
So instead of the cloud, they would be communicating. Yeah, you're server.
The raspberry pi has to do is communicate with server.
okay.
I believe it's called moonlight, or sunshine, or something like that.
So the thing is so where would they get the games from, or in in that?
This is the high performance client
In that scenario
My steam, library.
I can create child accounts and say these accounts are authorized on the this machine to
Okay.
And so you said with g-force you never own the like.
To utilize the licenses in my steam limb.
You never own the license
Okay.
Yeah, Yeah, basically rented the game from room. Video.
got a question for you, Andvidia got me down this summer when I upgraded to Sushi fifteen-four, because the drivers no longer worked for the g-force 450 how the heck are they playing with linux with binary drivers in this kind of
situation.
Are they? Are they still back? Are they still using the novo, the open source stuff?
Alright.
Well, this has got an emd gpu, so that would be up to whoever builds whatever or whoever builds the computer.
I swapped my Gpu from a Vega 56 to a a 37.
Ti this summer, because world of tanks would not launch on the wars.
Do you know anything about that
Off with the with the game, but every time I tried to logic go the windowing application froze, and the moment I polls and put the the Nvidia Card in it started to behave don't know why
Hmm: Okay, by the way, if it if anybody wants to g-force 4, 50, let me know.
I can't use it anymore. It's a forehead port, display port card.
Yeah, nothing fancy, but it'll run for desktop.
so, Tyler, Do you think I can run? Okay, So I have an Nvidia.
So
where you call it Nvidia Shield, team, you know, Show TV shield. Will it?
Do you? Do you think which runs android?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, Do you think I can run right? So do you think I can?
It runs android TV
I don't know if Android TV has a steam client.
So also android TV makes a difference as to whether I'd be able to run steam or not.
You think it would cause? That's one of those things
Steam link, I believe, is the application
Samson android TV tablets and phones.
I'll have to check it on, See, then, cause I can run steam under Linux. You know the steam client
I can probably run a test. But yeah, now, with the steam link software, the actual computing is being done on a another PC: and then it streamed over the network
Right. So what will will happen with steam link is Is that you'll launch and have the running on your local computer.
So off in your office, a computer that you can turn the monitor off on, and then you'll bring up the steam link on your android TV I mean you'll tell it to execute team Xyz and i'll reach over the network.
To your office, PC: and start the game, and then it will stream input back and forth.
But it would resolve the issue that you just told me about which is you rent from g-force versus, if you own a game, understand
And that's this is a lot better because of the ability to or is just. The lightning sees a lot less. Especially You do it over Ethernet
Okay.
You're going, fee. If not, instead of miles or hundreds of miles
So yeah, you'll need a controller that can do.
Yeah, okay.
Bluetooth, but keep it, dole. Set you up there
Oh, a lot of people got pissed off at Microsoft, and they started pulling garbage, pushing people towards their Xbox ecosystem.
I tell you this stuff is not what it used to be.
Is it fine? We'll build our own sandbox morons
Yeah. Well with the Xbox. So I have an Xbox Series X.
So that's a lot of lot of what people don't know when they run out and buy an Xbox
Here in the house, and I used to play games. I own all those games now.
There could be some debate about the ones, I only own digitally, but I have a lot of games that are sitting on disk.
It's actually the way I prefer. I have pay low, infinite sitting on disk
Yeah.
So even if they nuke my account, I can just create a new one under a new email, and just pop this back in
Right, right? So does the new Xbox have a just drive
The series X does. Series S. Doesn't. The series is the digital only version same thing with play playstation.
Okay.
Hmm.
5 is that there's a disk version of the a non-disciplinary, and it's my personal opinion that I buy games physically, and I will store them physically, because I own them physically that way when somebody pulls a stupid like sounding just did with some movies
on the playstation network Unlike I'll screw you.
I have for physical disk
You own them, and you own them physically
So
There's gonna be more of that control type stuff going on
Way too much. It's also the reason why I have a raspberry pi sitting in my network rack running on my home automation
Yeah.
I own hardware, Oh, so spend $500 on new security cameras and dorwell video cameras today because Ufi does it all locally.
What did you get now?
The Ufi E. U. F. Y. System. It's anchor, but it's their home, their security, or home.
Yeah, they're home, Security Brand
You F: I Okay.
U e u f y
If y
Bye.
That way. The you know the See police officers have to subpoena me to get my security campaign word.
Right, right, right.
When you know something. I you know the with the little disk things that what do they call it?
Not not ask nicely. You have from Jeff Bezos
The echo. You know I found out that newer ones have a back bone communication system.
Yeah.
That's piggyback and off of you having one of those they say, so that they can Yeah, Yeah.
The Amazon neighborhood. Yeah, their own little lower network that they will use to forward data up to the Internet using your Internet connection
Oh, they'd let you know it. It's in the fine printing patriarchy.
Yeah they don't, and they don't let you know that, either.
Yeah, Yeah, I found out about that disconnected. Might even know.
Probably
Have a thermostat. This is, Do you want to connect to to Amazon, Alexa?
I have an older one
I go hell now
Wait a minute. I have one of those things
Then I see, and then I say, you're talking to my home assistant system over here, and you'll take commands from him.
So so so so I have a a echo termstat, but I I disconnected both so good Buck, I can run it on my local network from me.
To my tablet, and is it in communicating to the outside world
To mix, who actually makes the thermostat kobe
The kobe thermostat uses the Kobe services, but you can go in and create yourself, a developer account create a developer.
Yeah, you could be
a alright application and key, and then activate home assistant to have access to your thermostat.
Hmm.
I just did it again, because I I Mr. Paranoid, lie to my thermostat and tell tell them that I live 5 blocks the other way that way, when somebody hacks their system and pulls the presence data thinking they can come and rob me they're knocking on the wrong house i'm
Yeah.
Now you you could you say, anyway, you, Mr. Paranoid.
evil.
Well see, the problem was, is somebody excellent po poke?
The community term plan with the Am. Room, and to shut it off.
But that's a good thing, because
They have to know the the house's address, and I forgot what I had put it in
You know they're distributing smart smart. What is it?
Oops.
A smart. Electric meters They're installing those everywhere in St.
All right. We've gotten the the reports from their AI system.
I'm sorry. I think, Okay, what do I need to do to rank enough noise on the line that this AI goes.
Louis
Go get screwed, up.
That's all noise on the on the
and how do you do that
Internal lines. I wonder if one of those Ethernet bridges will do that cause they use the No, he's on the line to do the transmissions
So
I have no solutions that any company will actually keep.
Oh, the frequency that they communicate in
My Fr. My David data safe unless
No, they won't. Well, they won't. They won't. Hackers are always trying hackers, all right.
And I have it on good good, intent on good knowledge that once you get it, 3 or 4 years ago, once you get past the initial security at Amaron, it's wide open
wow.
Yeah, heck hackers are always trying. Yeah.
Yeah, I heard that that yeah, that that system is not safe because they haven't been.
You could shut anything down, or could sure
It's the same thing with the like. The The interconnect between phone providers for SMS and management.
They haven't been working on it in that way.
I can't remember what it's called once you get on it you can do anything, or you could do anything 4 or 5 years ago and people were like what Yeah, once you have access.
You could see, I want that phone number to go to this phone to this phone and it just accepts the command.
Doesn't ask you to prove who you are. Doesn't say you're not.
This person's provider
Huh? So Yeah, I actually, need to
I actually have to just sit down, decide how I'm gonna configure a upgraph on a low key, and actually to log interpolation and reporting and alerting
Now, if I could just find my bloody raspberry pi Cm.
Four's
I swear a month ago I'll find them here.
Nope.
Alright. I have somebody asking me when I'm going to be done.
Any other questions.
No, but you could come back and talk about security and stuff
Anybody going to the hi jam. On the 20 s of October.
do we have it on the calendar
Yeah.
I don't know
I don't recall seeing it on the calendar.
this region. It's 15
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