From them if it's something that can be cleared. So. But hopefully they'll come through with something.
I'm sorry, can you say that again? What?
I want a possible presentation from a military site. But I gotta make sure that it's something that can.
Thank you. Just, for software that was developed for.
Gary if you can see it's not classified
Yeah.
I think he met as whether or not would be appropriate for us.
Yeah.
Moving right along.
Alrighty, I guess Moving along, yep.
5.
Got.
Start it.
Okay.
Hey, and scroll down fast enough, sorry. Okay.
I guess we're the old business.
Sound right?
I lost a lost yeah, but I lost the agenda here.
It's on here somewhere.
Yeah, that was my there we go.
Okay.
Well, Stan is looking. First item under old business is server admin. And we've been.
There it is.
Chatting. Yeah, not not in a panic mode, but just chatting for a number of months.
Currently, Bach and Nikolo are running. Debbie and 10.
Michel, where's that?
Talk.
Yeah.
And, Yeah, never mind. Yeah. Old habits, not hard.
Yeah, the running W in town. And, they came out with Debian 12. In June.
So. It'd probably be who's this to consider at least moving up to W and 11.
But, so we're talking about, you know, waiting until cooler weather sometime in the fall.
That maybe people will be a little more. Less into summer frivolity and maybe we'll get a few people.
But it'd be nice to try and get a number of people, you know, kind of volunteer to.
You know, wanna be involved, understand, you know, what we're doing on the server. You know, what's out on the server.
So maybe a few of these other people might be available to help out.
Are you suggesting that you let somebody outside the steering committee know about something about like this?
Wow.
You know, like posting something up on to discuss.
Yeah, might might be an idea.
Okay, timeline saying like, hey. Coming in late August or early September or middle September, whenever, you know.
Yep.
Okay, are you? What should be thrown into a message that goes out about this.
Hello.
I'll send you some text.
Or I can post it. You on.
Okay. How I was trying to put Gary on the spot, Lee.
Yeah.
I think we need to reserve those. Leverages for more important topics like speakers.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
And yeah, since it's, since we're aiming for some time in the fall. Yeah, we're looking couple months ahead so it gives people a chance to decide if they can set aside some time and help us out on this project.
And, We've got a number of references to, Mike Knight. Under the maintenance things.
I haven't, I haven't talked to Mike in months and months. Is he still in contact with you, Lee, or?
I haven't talked to him in years, but every once in a while he'll say something on
Okay.
Yeah, I have upgraded my cloud. EPS from 10 to 11. 3 or 4 months ago and It was trivial, but we got a bunch of custom stuff on B that we've done over the years.
II have no idea. Oh, that's gonna be affected and Mike made some comment to that effect.
Okay.
There ready. Let's see, I think we beat that harsh to death. Website maintenance?
Yeah.
It hasn't, I haven't broken it yet. Or at least too bad.
Yeah, I think I still need to update. Was it, be somewhat more modern.
Well, all of them could be. I don't know.
I mean
But we already got, the users group. Yeah, the Unix users group updated.
It's the Linux users group. That means a bit.
I don't wanna change it.
I like the way it is.
There's something to be said for a website. It looks like it's 25 years old.
Yeah
Yeah.
Yeah, hi, Hey, what is to be said for that?
It looks 25 years old and people know it's been there a while.
Okay. I don't know.
I don't know, I think you could make a website look 25 years old and just make a new one.
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean.
Hey, I tell you, if you put Sam, if you put Sanskrit on a website, it's going to be noticed.
Hey.
Me hieroglyphics.
I don't know.
Oh.
Yeah. Hi, Anyway, any particular things we need to do? I mean, it'd be, yeah.
Got it.
An opportunity to do some updates and stuff but nothing Good actually just needs to get done right away. So.
Okay, moving on. Web sites, meetup.com maintenance. Oh, God.
It's yours, Gary.
It is a pain in the fucking butt.
I hate it.
Yeah, I can't even remember the last 2. Fuck ups had happened. I went in and I made some changes.
And I think it moved the date on it or something and I didn't intend to move the date.
It moved the date. Without me intending it to anyway it was Yeah. One of those pain in the box, fine.
Yeah.
It already went out and I had to go out and apologize for. Having it screwed up. Anyway.
Oh, it's like, got recommended that you just.
Make what you're gonna do in it. Plain text file and they'd cut copy it from that instead of that you'd had piece of crap in micro apples
Display so that it all these hidden characters and crap.
Yeah, I when I'd mess put anything up on meet up. Edited in a VI text file.
And then I, the damn thing and that's what I copy over.
Otherwise, if you if you pull it from the internal document sometimes it pulls crazy crap over Invisible stuff.
Yeah
Even invisible stuff you can't see when you do a set list. You know, you, and Viv, you say set.
Space list and it'll show you the end characters.
It doesn't show you everything.
Hmm
Okay. Anyway,
See what what other good things can come and meet up
Oh, before we go on there, I want to talk about the uploading presentations. This last cycle.
Huh.
The the meeting they St. Louis Linux meeting that we're Scott speaking. I couldn't download the thing.
It, it would get like, and that was because I finally figured out later on the reason was There was some temporary garbage left over from when my system had crashed.
Hmm.
When the power already happened. And what was going on? I get about 75% and the thing would hang.
So I had to have. Lee. Download it from from zoom and put it on box and then I could, manipulate it.
From there. And, in, in the, in the air room thing. It was just, it just, I thought everything would just totally messed up and it was just.
The problem was on my end.
I don't understand what What was it that you did that? Made it something that you did.
I mean it
Oh, okay.
My system crash because of the power outage. Okay. And this was a week or 2 before that meeting and they were crap left in this slash temp directory.
Gotcha. Gotcha.
That was interfering with the download. For some.
Yeah, we had power issues just a few days ago. It went up and down. I guess 4 times.
Yeah.
I mean, I was out, I've got a little raspberry. Just puts a time hack on a temperature in the basement here, you know, every 10 min.
Actually, run forever. And. That way I can see if the power was out how long it was out, you know.
Oh, it works great. And, But I was sitting down here in a power went away.
My main computers are on a UPS. So that wasn't an issue, but.
Right.
Everything went up and down several times and even the one my main desktop computer started acting weird. I didn't actually reboot it. I don't think.
Let me check.
Lot of times I just log off and log back on and that seems to.
Okay. It's been up a hundred 9 days. Now. I didn't go down for that.
I'm sorry.
Don't you ever Don't you ever update it?
Oh yeah, I update it with stuff from one too, but I don't have to, you don't have to reboot the computer.
You do if you want to replace the Colonel.
Well.
You, you probably miss 3 or 4 kernel updates by not rebooting.
Usually it'll leave a message if it needs to reboot.
Okay, in which case I usually reboot it. 109 days that seems like a long time
Okay.
I think that was Lee's point.
Okay. My other ones, only been up 25 days.
Thank you.
As a rule of thumb, I reboot everything at least once a week.
Oh, yes.
Hey, I need you once a week, but once a month helps.
The way I screw things up, it has to be once a week.
Yeah.
Hey, does anybody, may I remember what the credentials were to.
Hmm.
What do you mean the password to it?
Username password discuss freely doesn't work.
I was gonna put it blur about so people can take a look at it.
I don't remember.
I don't remember either. That's what I'm asking.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, it's kind of a private list. We don't advertise it.
You're only 8 or 10 people on it.
Just.
You said.
Yeah.
One b
ETA takes 2 of them for the archives. That's the.
Oh.
There's a note there, username password, sis admin at DM one n.
Mailing list archive access one BROO. T.
Why did that do it?
Now you got what would you do per username?
I don't know.
Yeah, oh, username, SYSS, SYS, ADM, I guess. That's what I got.
Okay. I think it
That's all a note I have. Sometimes I catch your stuff and I don't know all of it.
Okay, that was.
Crap. I got a cookie cache.
Yep.
Okay. We caught up.
Do we need?
Are we caught up? Or do we need to pause more?
I'm done.
Hey Lee, are we waiting on you?
Okay.
Not me.
No. Hello. I just push that email out to discuss.
Okay. Alright, then no reason to pause anymore then, right? Move on.
And yes, okay. Announced mailing list. Anything there?
I don't see anything in them.
Comment from last month that no changes on the list of topics. For the STL Linux meeting would determine too late to be.
Used to make an announcement. So Sorry about that.
No.
Got to get the I gotta get these things Yeah, and sooner. Okay, hybrid meetings.
I don't think we've got anything new on hybrid meetings unless somebody else has something to say.
Yeah, it's.
What was Gary, what was that thing I threw at you?
Here.
Not today. Was it last week?
Yeah. I talked about if we were gonna do. If we were to do any kind of hybrid meeting, we would have to.
Huh, have people.
Yeah, you said. Even though people come to the meeting physically, they should bring their laptop.
And everybody should have the laptop open on the desk, the speaker in the front of the room. Should be talking into his laptop and that way it'll all wind up.
And the recording.
On the zoom or just see. All gets recorded. Everybody out on the network can hear what the hell is going on.
Yeah, but just one problem with that.
Go ahead.
The first time somebody on mute, you know, unmutes their microphone or turns or audio up, you got feedback all over the room.
Yeah, okay. Good point.
And should do the meetings where people cannot.
Do that. Or that just locks them out when they initially join.
I don't know, man. Zoom is changing their stuff so, frequently, I can't keep track of it.
Yeah. Yeah.
I have no idea what, would be involved in doing that.
Regardless, it's all gonna be would be too much work.
Yeah
Unless we get more Indians.
Yeah. Well, I mean, the only reason to do it is if we want the nickname, and so we could have pizza, but.
Yeah.
And in that same vein, part of the reason why I brought it up, the nature of user group meetings and Jonathan and I had a nice long conversation on the phone earlier today about user groups and who attends and how many people attend but That Red Hat meeting I was telling you all about, you know, like I said, there were There are probably only 8.
Okay.
Real customers at that meeting and they had bought some really nice food for about 30 people. So I mean I can imagine if we Ask Red Hat just to buy us dinner.
Nicking a lane is they'd probably do it.
B Anyway, we gotta get our act together enough that we wanna that we'd want to try hybrid and I don't think we're I don't think any of us are ready for that yet.
Could be come.
And whenever the question comes up, I always throw back at them. If you want to do the work, will help promote what you're going to do.
Huh.
Yep. Because We're old and we're dinosaurs and we're burned out.
Whatever.
Okay.
Let's see, cameras, microphones, and projectors. I don't think anything's strange there's microphones and projectors.
I don't think anything's changed there. Change the base and main structure.
I'm just looking at the. Notes there from last.
That's not last month. That's notes from a year ago.
What are you looking at?
Under change base and main structure.
So it said, I saw a September seventh date and I was thinking, my god.
. The
I didn't know you'd moved ahead.
It's already.
I said nothing about cameras and microphones and projectors.
Like I said, you may have said it, but I didn't hear it.
Oops, okay.
Okay.
So basically last month we just said the idea was to try and keep the base short and simple. Base just been running too long.
Okay, attendance database and by the way somebody pinched me hit me or whatever you know when I get Get a speaker, especially if he's a newbie.
Make sure i tell them you know hey try and make this say 1520 min talk so that doesn't wind up going more than half an hour.
So.
I probably haven't been telling people that sternly enough. Attendance database. Stan any comments?
Hang on a second here.
Yeah.
Attendance database. It's a Hi, I generally get the attendance done if not the following day, that day.
Depending on the meeting. It's whenever I can look at the recording.
Cool, cool.
That I do with that I have to do it with. Simple screen recorder because that's the only way I can get the thing to show on the who was there because the zoom recording It only records the main speaker.
Hello.
It doesn't record the Who was there? Unless they that speaker goes out and automatically turns that on and shares that as part of their screen share.
And it's so dynamic that we can't we couldn't possibly have the speakers do that.
Okay
Beyond that, I put the being counts in whenever I get them done. Nothing more, say.
Hey, it comes up with Very useful information. Thank you.
I guess is good.
I think so. Alrighty.
Let's see, planning schedule report database.
St.
Yeah, I sent a I sent a thing out to Lee with the listing the stuff that we had on there for him and Hey, commented on whether you wanted to still do some of those things.
And if there was something, you know, and he came up with another thing, as I stuck immediately up on the planning schedule.
Hmm.
And I've got the same thing lined up. I'm gonna send out to Scott because he's got a couple.
Of ideas listed on there. I know it will be in a reminder to him. What he said he might talk about and it give us an opportunity if he decides he doesn't want to talk about it anymore, take it off the Other than that, I don't know what else to say.
Okay. Cool.
Other than, well, III could, read along and on about it, but. That is there anything else anybody wants to know about?
Okay.
If you go to the. de.org slash steercom. Hey, You can actually download the latest.
Attend its database. And run it in.
Labor office base and you can see all the data that's there on the planning schedule. And there's more stuff there than is listed on the report.
Report just generally has general topic and who and maybe contact information. Bye, but there may be some background material.
That's in the database like a, synopsis, what We think talk is gonna be about things like that, maybe relevant web pages, URLs to web pages, things like that.
I've got the
Yep.
Add attendant. That attendance database.
Is available.
From
Are you looking?
You go there, you can download the latest one because after I do the update II have a script and I Dump it up this to and it's available there.
Any questions?
Let's see, so you were talking about the attendance database, not the planning schedule. Database.
Correct.
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, at the.
Oh, they're both there, I think. I'm sorry, my brain is a little mushy right now.
Okay. I understand. Okay, I am sitting on. Slug.
Dot com. And I would have presumed I should look under resources. Yes. Okay.
For what?
Yeah. No, not, no, no. Look, under here.
What are you looking for?
The attendance database.
Right there.
Under attendance rolls. Oh, hold on. I'm not looking. You, I'm looking at
Yeah, right there. Ladies, Leber office, database attendance database right there. Download that.
Okay, okay.
It should be displayed on your screen now, attendance roles. And that's on the The W.
Dot org slice. Page. Okay, that's the attendant stuff. Further down.
It's planning schedule. So yes, they're both available there.
Okay.
Alright.
For download. And if you can run a labor office on your machine, you can run those databases.
Okay.
Excellent.
And if you ever update your new computer that you had for 3 weeks and having updated.
Huh.
You could probably do that.
Yeah.
Okay. Cool.
Damn.
Jonathan, have we? Driven you from the
Hey, you are. II just noticed you were to the picture.
I went to get some ice tea.
I lost the page again. Damn it.
Hey. Okay.
There it is.
Okay, well, it's a good good quick snapshot of what was in there.
Okay.
And
What are we up to? Handwrites. Nothing you want handouts
I think new.
Linux stickers. I don't get anything new there.
I don't know, that's James, he's here, right? How do you leave?
Oh yeah. Hey James.
Alrighty.
No, I'm not touched them. Rely on I bought a house and traveled to India this month so things have been a little crazy
Oh.
Oh!
Okay, as soon as we finish this. Official part of the meeting we had to get the Indian report and the house report.
Okay.
Yeah, and he also brought the Indian weather back here for us to enjoy.
Yeah, thank you, James.
You're welcome. It was, it's the rainy season there, so it's actually cooler than in Texas.
Oh, gee.
Organizational papers, Gary, you wouldn't happen to know anything about those, would you?
I don't know a damn thing about those. I hear rumors that they still exist in my basement.
But,
Sponsorships.
And another big thanks to Dave.
That was a nice piece of sponsorship, Dave, to make the donation there to get, get us off the dime and get, Get close captioning working.
Thank you.
Any other comments?
Hmm.
Nope, think that's it for now.
Hey, that looks like the sofa used to have 20 years ago, Gary.
The chauffeur.
The soap. Oh, the sofa? Oh, okay.
We need help.
Oh God, do we know?
Yeah, I remember houses look like that when I was a kid.
Yeah.
Gary, what have you done lately to push off work? There's other people.
Oh!
Not enough. Not enough.
I mean, you know.
I really do need to, I mean, you and I both talked about, Well, I gotta get get a hold of Tyler Rudy and Get him to.
Follow through on the calendar not that he's not doing it it's just that you know I originally said okay let me let me catch up on the calendar stuff and then turn it over to I haven't Sure.
Yeah.
I also, need to, Grab, Robert Lovett here this week and see if I can get him to kinda.
Proactively take over. We call it publicity stuff.
Any new business.
And I will say one more thing as far as the. Yeah, any new volunteers, you know, I'm, on the steering committee is, you know, keep, your eyes open for somebody who might be willing to, make, make a contribution either.
Ask him yourself or mentioned their name here at sharing committee and maybe one of the others of us can can tap them on the shoulder.
Thanks to James. I mean, James, you got You got Sean involved and he's he's been coming to steering committees and contributing so yeah good good to get in some new book.
Yeah. Yeah.
And participating in the slack and the new Linux user group meetings on occasion. So. Anything I would get somebody to attend more than just one or 2 of our meetings I think is really good.
Okay.
It's gotten to the point to the what the new Linux users group meetings the guys ask when's the next free format meeting and I say the slack meeting First Thursday of the month.
Yeah.
Hmm.
You know and sometimes they come over you know they make it and the more the more and that we get together, especially in that meeting, the better the meeting goes.
Hardware.
Because, you know, we advertise that as being a troubleshooting and hardware and we're kind of and free format meeting.
Okay.
And You know, give it for Phil Bunch, you know, I can't even hardly spell hardware.
And I always appreciate Phil being there because they always correct me when I say micro. Megabit instead of gigabit.
Thing like that. Yeah. Any new business?
Not that I know of, anybody else?
Okay, moving on to recurring requirements. Let's see, scroll down.
Remember right there's a couple of New hug and slack. Or both domain renewals coming up in August.
We got stand down. Stan or Lee who is gonna. Make sure those happen.
Dan does those.
Hey.
Nothing particularly coming up in September.
Not that I know of. And, they normally in October, we'd be worrying about reserving rooms for at the library for the.
Slack and Newlyn excuses group meetings, but
Since I'm doing them all remotely, those 2 in particular. Something else that worry about.
You know, looking at the calendar. This way just reminds me of something that I wanted to post out to discuss. Just reminds me of something that I wanted to post out to discuss.
Just reminds me of something that I wanted to post out to discuss. Don't get around to doing here if anybody just gets a hank you don't, don't stop, you won't be stepping on my toes if anybody else posts to discuss the Missouri Tax Holiday is, this Friday through Sunday.
So, on the slew calendar. But, I'm gonna try and post it and discuss or somebody else wants to, that's fine too, but, we probably need to make sure all of our members are aware that this is the tax holiday.
Oh, and a change from previous years. In previous years. A city. And or county could decide they don't want to participate in the tax holidays.
So you got the state sales tax removed, but maybe Hazelwood or or Brett would, you know, might still be imposing a sales tax.
Well, this year this item has already changed it and they said, you know, nobody gets a choice anymore.
Cross.
That it will be no city. No, no state, sales tax.
Really?
Good! Excellent. About time.
Yep. Yeah, streamline. Thank God. So.
I mean, why, you know, it was so damn complicated. You, you couldn't figure out who did what?
Who?
Oh yeah, yeah, you had to worry about which store you went to to figure out what your tax rate was gonna be.
Yeah.
Oh, and don't forget EPC usually has some good deals.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, if anybody you know, nose of. Any particular thing they're offering by all means.
Post it out on Disgust.
So.
So that's a dog is thing, isn't it?
Yep.
Oh.
How's August for?
Yes, and tomorrow is August. So as I say, it's this Friday, 4 days from now.
Starts at midnight Friday a. M. Ends at midnight Sunday, PM.
And you updated the calendar entry to say that there was no exceptions on, on the taxes.
I believe I have.
You know, look again, right?
Okay, and I've had a line here that Add line here just August about the Missouri Tax Holiday.
That's enough of that for detail. So reoccurring event.
Yeah
Yeah.
Moving right along
Okay.
What else you got?
I'm still clicking on the damn thing, okay?
I need better eyes. I need new glasses, I guess.
Except to recognize useful efforts. Where's there something? Yeah.
Plus.
Okay, yeah, okay, recognize useful efforts. So yeah, the Thank you all for being here and trying to keep us going.
Very much needed. And Certainly wouldn't be the same without you all. Thank you. And matter of fact, I'm gonna say and Jonathan, you, you, I'm really using your words, but Jonathan was telling me on the phone earlier today that Really this group does.
Really?
Really well in the number of attendees. We get coming to the meetings and the number of meetings we do every month.
When you look at most of the other user groups. Around the country, especially the ones that aren't, you know, being run by, a company to sponsor their own software, but just a regular user group.
Most of those groups are Lucky if they get half a dozen people to come to a meeting.
They're doing really well if they get 8 people to come to a meeting in the last year. And the fact that we usually pull down 1624 people coming to our meetings.
Yeah, everybody here puts in a lot of work and effort apparently, so and Jonathan, like I say, was the one to notice it earlier this afternoon.
So thank you, Jonathan, for pointing that out.
And for those of you, I think I told Stan this. Or maybe it was Lee, I'm sorry.
There was a gentleman who came as an attendee. Last month. Lee, do you remember where he was from?
Is he from the state of Washington?
I don't remember, Gary.
Okay, I think he was from Washington State and. Kind of before he got off near the you know we were done with the meeting and he was just still chit chatting with us before we turned off the recorder at the end.
And he made a similar compliment and Cause I noticed that he'd been coming for like 2 or 3 months and he said, yeah, he likes coming to our meetings because we get a good turnout of people from all over the country and said, yeah, you see it's good technical information in it.
So we He was very, very happy that he found us. So. So yeah, you're all doing a good job.
I guess the number of attendees has a significant effect on equality of what we have. I think it does too.
Yeah, makes for that banter back and forth if you get more people in the audience. You get a critical.
Mass of people who are responding and asking questions. That really helps, I think.
Okay, I still haven't edited the follow up an action item thing, so it's pretty well totally out of date.
I gotta get my butt in there and do that.
Nope.
There's no point in talking about that. Do we need a blue sky recording afterwards?
Anybody just put a bullshit on a booze sky topic? Pardon my French.
I'd say no.
Hearing on. Okay. And.
You wanna, you wanna do a slate for us or in shut it down?
Well, we need a motion to adjourn first.
Don't move.
Is there a second?
I second the motion.
All of the, sign the repo and snow. The eyes have got it. We were adjourned at 18.
This was the steering committee meeting that normally would be held for August, but we're holding it on July the thirtieth because otherwise we'd be too far into August.
So