01:14:57 tonyc: systemd uses a workaround for native use of the fstab file 01:15:46 Grant Taylor: I was asking about SysV start / stop script, not anything fstab related. 01:25:03 Phil B: Password strength: https://xkcd.com/936/ 01:26:49 stan reichardt: https://bitwarden.com/resources/bitwarden-security-readiness-kit/ 01:32:01 Phil B: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir%27s_secret_sharing 01:35:55 stan reichardt: My SLUUG BASE on KeePassXC is available from our SLUUG presentation archives page. Look to 2023 April links. Also a sample demo file with Monkey123 as the access password. 01:37:16 Randy van heusden: Here’s a current comparison of some of the most popular password vaults (password managers), with pros and cons of each: --- ### 1. **Bitwarden** * **Pros:** * Open-source and regularly audited for security. * Free tier with unlimited passwords and devices. * Affordable premium plan (\~\$10/year) adds advanced features like TOTP, encrypted file storage. * Self-hosting option for advanced users. * Works on all major platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, browser extensions). * **Cons:** * Slightly less polished interface than competitors. * Some advanced features require the paid version. --- ### 2. **1Password** * **Pros:** * Very polished and user-friendly interface. * Excellent features for families and teams. * Travel Mode to hide sensitive data when crossing borders. * Strong reputation for security with regular audits. * **Cons:** * No free tier beyond trial. * Subscription-only (\~\$36/year for individuals). * Closed source. --- 01:38:06 Randy van heusden: 3. LastPass Pros: Well-established, long history. Free tier with unlimited passwords (but only on one device type). Multifactor authentication supported. Cons: Recent security breaches (2022) have damaged reputation. Free tier device restrictions. Questionable transparency after breaches. Closed source. 4. Dashlane Pros: Very user-friendly. Built-in VPN with premium plan. Dark web monitoring. Nice security dashboard for password health. Cons: Expensive compared to others (~$60/year). Free version limited to 1 device and 25 passwords. Closed source. 5. KeePassXC (for desktop, KeePassDX on Android) Pros: Completely free and open-source. No subscriptions or accounts — local control of data. Highly customizable and extendable with plugins. Cons: Steeper learning curve, especially for non-technical users. Manual syncing required (via Dropbox, Google Drive, etc.). No built-in cloud storage or autofill on mobile without plugins. 01:38:49 Randy van heusden: 6. NordPass Pros: From the makers of NordVPN. Easy to use, with zero-knowledge encryption. Password health reports and data breach scanner. Cons: Paid subscription required for multi-device sync (~$24-60/year). Limited transparency (not open-source). Younger product, smaller community compared to others. 01:39:46 Randy van heusden: Quick Summary Table: Vault Open Source Free Tier Multi-Device (Free) Best For Bitwarden ✅ ✅ ✅ Budget-conscious, secure 1Password ❌ ❌ ❌ Families, polished UX LastPass ❌ ✅ ❌ Basic personal use (caution) Dashlane ❌ ✅ ❌ UX lovers, VPN users KeePassXC ✅ ✅ ✅ (manual sync) Advanced users, no cloud NordPass ❌ ✅ ❌ Nord ecosystem fans 01:42:08 Randy van heusden: For the average user, meaning someone who: Wants ease of use Needs multi-device sync Values security without much technical hassle Prefers a good free or affordable option The best overall choices are: ✅ Bitwarden — Best Overall Value 01:45:10 stan reichardt: Scott Granemann did a BASE presentation on 1Password in 01:45:50 stan reichardt: 1Password in March 2021. Available from our Presentation Archives page. 01:47:36 edhowland: Is OnePassword X-platform? It used to be Mac only, IIRC 02:07:27 navin: im having internet issues , it's disconnecting and i have lost the power at my place 02:07:39 Grant Taylor: Stay safe Navin. 02:08:39 Deol: Cisco Duo Essentials is another cloud based good hardware bootup or application authenticator MFA. It is $3 per user and that single user can have multiple computers (for example admin on multiple servers). It fulfills the requirement for MFA for cyber insurance. It syncs with Azure Entra ID directly and make things easy. Cisco Duo Free version gives 10 users free. Good for family use. 02:09:14 Grant Taylor: Reacted to "Cisco Duo Essentials..." with 🤔 02:11:15 Deol: just added my 2 cents, when Lee talked about hardware authenticator Bitwarden seems like best password manager as per presentation 02:11:46 Randy van heusden: Reacted to "just added my 2 cent..." with 👍 02:21:02 Lee Lammert: import pyotp totp = pyotp.TOTP('JBSWY3DPEHPK3PXP') # Example base32 secret print(totp.now()) # Show current 6-digit code 7 🧪 TOTP Python Example import pyotp totp = pyotp.TOTP('JBSWY3DPEHPK3PXP') # Example base32 secret print(totp.now()) # Show current 6-digit code 03:00:30 edhowland: Print it out? What is a printer? 03:06:15 Phil B: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1Password 03:08:14 Deol: thanks Guys, gotta run Good Night All 03:17:14 DW: and make sure there is a password change list written where every one can see it