I mean, I do have a simple screen recorder by Anonymous coward.
All right, Gabe. This is the steering committee for SLUG. The date is Monday.
February the 3rd. 2025.
And so monthly steering committee meeting. It applies mostly to the month of February and beyond.
Meetings called to order. I am still pulling up the agenda in front of me, so pardon me if I'm not ready to push us in a direction i guess First call is always, who needs to leave early or do we need to restructure anything to make sure that somebody
Has to speak up front rather than waiting till later in the meeting. Speak now.
Or is there something new they want to bring up?
I don't. I want to bring up something new and I don't know that I need to be at the front of the line, but I can't stay super late tonight.
The thing I'd like to bring up is in-person discussion about some of what Lee and I have been talking about with certificates and redirects and more Is it something we're interested in doing or not?
Yeah, that would be… part of this.
I did add a line in a line in system maintenance thing about TSL certificates or something that's Okay, so we can jump to that.
And start talking about it as, you know, to give you opportunity to leave early.
Pursuing a crypto miner?
Well, I just need to probably leave within the hour so or within about an hour so
Let's go ahead and just put it on the on the front of the agenda here, if that sounds reasonable to everybody. Ken, I'm good if anybody needs to edit it.
Okay.
Okay. Hearing no objections, I'll just… go into it.
Please do.
Lee and I have been talking on the mailing lists kind of been spanning sysadmin and discuss different parts of it.
I would like us to have… TLS certificates for the SLU domain and all special interest groups.
So that we can have clean redirects so that it does not matter which name visitors use or if they put HTTP or HTTPS in it.
I would like to get us to a point where it very gracefully and very cleanly and transparently takes visitors to the desired page with no errors, no security warnings.
Etc. But it sounds like there might be some prior discussion I'm not really aware of.
Just wanted to see what people thought. What the history is and you know generally try to play well with others in the sandbox.
That topic is down there. Website maintenance and i'm going to Stop sharing my screen at this point. It's down here at the bottom I started.
I put TLS certificates. I think I spelled it wrong. Oh, okay.
That's actually correct.
No.
Lee, did you have any…
What's the downside?
To me, the downside is slightly more complicated and basically notes for future counterparts of what is done.
But that's very small amount. And the upside is it provides a better end user experience.
I'm currently the chairman for the new Linux usage group and co-chair on the slack group And we've got… I've got three domains the new domains ww.newlinux.org and ww.org.
Slack.org. And not sure that I've configured improperly.
But as I understand it. Leaves has been of the opinion that nobody ever uses WWE.
W in front of the domains anymore. Yeah.
Let me correct that. It's not that they never used WW-Dub. They never use HTTPS colon slash slash.
Is that what breaks it?
Whatever that's what breaks the redirect. Yeah. If you force the HTTPS upfront
Oh, okay. So I misunderstood what the issue is.
If you put in dub, dub, dub.sglings.org, it works. Uh-huh. Or whatever. It'll redirect to the site that the new one.
I didn't necessarily that only apply if you put the S in the HTTP? No.
Correct. If you put the S in. You force a secure connection initially And there's no cert available except sloop.org.
That's what causes the earth. That's what causes it.
And what I'm proposing is we enhance the certificate So it works for new Linux or all the other SIGs in addition to Slug.
Right. And plus, in the future, we might get another shig as far as that goes.
Right. So I'm…
So my assumption is that if we ever get the work that sean did implemented This would only make that easier.
What I'm thinking about and Lee and I have been discussing should be completely compatible with all of Sean's efforts.
Oh.
Well, it sounds to me like if Lee and Grant are willing to make the configuration changes necessary and write a note to whoever comes by in the future then this is a good idea and we should go for it.
Ooh, documentation. Ooh.
I mean, from what Grant said, it sounds like that wouldn't need to be a very long note.
Ken, where do you get these ideas?
Yeah, no. Any… any ongoing Complications, Grant? I mean, things…
Day-to-day, week to week, month to month No.
Yeah.
Any additional complications would be when we would add a SIG or when we would want to change a redirect Adding a SIG.
Would be adding it to the cert bot config, which we would need to do initially
Any changing where redirects go is independent of cert bot And that's just website maintenance. It's kind of separate but closely related.
But there shouldn't need to be anything we're not adding to Stan's list of stuff to do.
Yeah. Certainly sounds like most reasonable way to go to me.
Yeah. Lee's clarification of my misunderstanding makes me very happy.
And it looked like there's no real problems with doing that. A question I have is that the current Let's encrypt thing with the Talking about short-term six day certificates apparently which are optional None of that comes into play here, does it?
If what you're…
Correct. We're not. We're sticking with the certificate we are using now just adding some SIG domain names to it.
Right?
I did see and you had mentioned something about a single site certificate or something I forget the exact term that… there's some kind of change that was came about in some of the information that Let's encrypt one of their messages.
Apparently that something about something verification would be based on the IP number instead of domain name.
Oh, one of the new features of the short certificates is you can add get a certificate for an IP address.
But that's requires doing six day certificates.
Okay. Okay.
And it would be nice to have the IP in there, but I am uncomfortable with six day and I do not want to go there, touch it with a 10 foot pole. I'd rather stick with the 90-day certificates for now.
And I think a lot of other people agree with you on that. It's something new and shiny that's not necessarily good
There are some people it's good for. But those people have already been doing automation to a much, much, much higher standard.
Right.
For a decade and they're ready to take the next step we're not there. I don't even want to go there.
Over the horizon yet.
Right. From what I read, it's people like uh Google and Amazon and big shots like that.
Yeah.
Yeah. People actually fighting people actually attackers trying to impersonate them and compromise things.
Right.
Well, I would like to participate to the extent where I would follow along or follow along read the documentation and recommend things or whatever I can possibly do.
Whenever I can fit it into my overwhelmed schedule.
I think the thing that you would be most helpful with in the short term stan.
Yeah.
To provide a list of the domain names for all the SIGs. I can get things out of config files, but I don't know what's old versus what is current.
Yeah. Oh, it's pretty simple. Well, we got sloob.org or Maine.org that stlinux.org, which is the Linux group.
Mm-hmm.
And slack.org. And newlinux.org. And that's it.
I think a lot of stuff that Lee has points to STL lug org and things like that it's kind of left-handed or whatever.
In my way of thinking. But as far as I know, it's just those domains.
Okay.
And I've been reluctant to clean up the data storage Until we resolved.
What has turned out to be my misunderstanding And since that's clear it up. At some point, I'll be able to clean up a lot of that structure out there.
Because what it'll amount to is I'll have to go in and clean up the pointers to the anything I clean up.
Right.
Hopefully Sid will help me out.
So as around… Lee.
Or AUC.
What's your opinion?
I see it as… good learning exercise.
My opinion is normally my opinion is normally keep it simple.
Fair.
And don't worry about edge cases but You know, I think there's a reasonable case here for completing the options, if you will.
If nothing else, I'll learn something from it.
Fair enough. Ken, you're next on my screen. What do you think?
As I said, if we have somebody who's willing to do the work as I described, then I think we should get it done.
Okay. Gary?
Agree. It seems like this is what you describe is the proper way of doing it, proper in the sense of it makes things work as people would expect.
And Ken's admonition to properly document it. I think that's just our our standard admonition is yes we should be logging any any work we do on the systems.
Okay. Steve?
He might be asleep.
Hey, Steve.
I didn't do it.
Okay.
Let the record show that evening.
It's…
Do you have any opinions, thoughts, concerns on getting TLS support for the SIGs.
I don't have any real strong opinion on it. I don't object.
Okay.
Steve, you can always say you don't understand like me And you're willing to learn.
Parade my ignorance
No, I just view that as learning opportunity if you're interested.
Oh, he's a diplomat.
This is…
No, I've just had multiple managers get mad at me.
Yeah, Stan is very interested, yes.
Okay.
I wouldn't know how to act if I didn't have a manager pissed off at me about something.
Uh-huh.
You feel like you weren't doing your job, right? Just because it doesn't understand your job doesn't mean that you have to understand screw it up.
It seems…
Well, I generally know what my job is and how to do it.
It's just… I… I hate monkey managers.
Yeah.
You know, you always got to be moving and doing and you know, God help you if you ever sit down and think about something You can get fired for that.
Yeah.
I'm sure you have available.
Just had to go into the boss and say, would you please yell at me? I need to have that feeling.
Okay.
I once worked for a major. If you weren't touching the keyboard and typing things, he didn't think you were working at all, period.
So I think we ought to be able to say that there is You know, no objections were heard It sounds like what should happen next is that Lee, Grant, and Stan should put their heads together and make this happen.
Yep.
Yep, agree.
Agreed. And as if they're okay with it, we'll continue on the sysadmin.
Mailing list. So what reviewing decisions, et cetera are visible to everybody to see.
Cool.
Okay. I think we've discussed certificates.
I think they forgot them. I think you're complete.
Thank you.
Thanks for your help, Grant.
Yep.
This is Stan. There are two other items that we might want to jump ahead to.
The one is… The thing that Mike Knight ran across with the IP number and in crossing Europe.
The other thing is the state of Sean's new site.
Those two. Do we think we should jump to those?
I'm just asking.
Yeah, if you think that's a good idea, Stan, let's do or Ken, does that screw up Record.
Well…
No, that's fine. I'm at server admin. Which seems like the likely place to discuss the
Brooke IP issues.
I put an i put an end I put an entry under the update of bach from Debian 10 to 11.
Oh, oh, I see. Well, then never mind. Hold on.
Because something Mike said that seemed to me like i I understood the problems appeared on bach the alternate box, the old one But not on the new one. But that's the extent of my understanding. I have no clue exactly what he said and
And where to go from there.
I thought Lee had replied with an explanation of those.
Which doesn't necessarily mean that I understand what leaves said.
Fair enough.
What what happened was On January 8th at the during at some time that day at that time a IP was added in live bock to buck or buck two buck that was in the Ukraine.
I remember something about it but not something about that IP, so I just deleted it.
Okay, now I'm confused.
Welcome to the crowd, Gary.
What added? For some reason on January 8th, when we did the live upgrade of bach And IP got put in Etsy hosts bar B2, which is a shortcut I use for bock2 to somewhere in Ukraine.
Hmm. Only because it is kind of a hotspot in the world right now.
I would suspect that we've been hacked but i guess First question is, is the simpler thing of the question Any chance you or any chance you Or somebody fat fingered it when somebody Anything's possible. That's why I just deleted it.
Because if there was anything else going on on the machine, I'm sure Mike would have found it.
Lee, I'm going to read my summary here, and I'd like you to ensure that it's correct.
Okay.
On 8 January 2025, IP address in Ukraine for Bach 2 was added to slash Etsy slash hosts.
On block.
Yeah.
Okay.
And it is a removed as of yesterday.
And put on there, thanks to Mike. Are bringing it to our attention. Yeah.
Great eyes on Mike's part to catch that.
And is apparently there's no issue further security issue that we need to worry about?
Question?
Yeah.
My current working understanding of the situation is as if one of us sysadmins fat fingered something Because the Etsy host file is really only usable on the system that it is on.
So it's not usable outside It wasn't in DNS.
So the scope of it is really on box.
Yeah. In addition to that, the only reason Mike found it is he was using links at the command line.
Yeah, this feels like… somebody did something with good intention during the Bach.
Upgrade work effort or testing therefore to make a name purposely not resolve to our correct IPs and just arbitrarily put something in front of it.
And random has it, it was an IP in Ukraine.
And I feel like it's I made a bad choice when I rolled the dice for the number I was going to put there.
Type thing.
I think that resolves it all.
I think so. If I was going to put in a incorrect ip number i would pick jahiti or someplace like that but uh I could see the fun thing of putting in Ukraine or perhaps a few other places we could have had a knock on the Batcave door by some guys dressed in trench coats. What are you guys doing? I'd be more concerned about the armored vests.
Yeah, and why they have the armored vests.
Okay.
Yeah.
We just shoot low.
Okay, well, let the record show that A big thanks to mike being quickly aware of this and picking it up I think other than that, move on, yes?
Yes. The next item.
Yes.
Stan, you were the third one.
Oh.
It's… I heard exactly where I put it. It's probably under site maintenance, website maintenance, an entry I talk about Sean's… new site and he essentially stopped uploading stuff in december and nothing had been done in january And… apparently we're going to
Didn't we decide to go live in December with it?
But then…
Yep.
I wound the first part of December, I wound up, I had an emergency trip outside of the state had to go to Vegas and help a friend that had a health issue.
And so I never specifically got over to to sean And in the meantime, or even before that All right, Gary, he had said that he was… be doing some kind of teaching job that he's going to be really cut down into his availability.
Yes, yes.
No.
And I have no idea what to do. Or if there's anything I can do.
Well, man. Now, maybe we just need to table it.
Until Sean can give us you know some sort of uh availability slash time slash when he wants to do it.
Okay. I mean, that's what we're going to have to do.
And… We need to learn how to do it.
I'm just wondering because he is I saw that he had said at one time that he uses artificial intelligence to generate those Graphics.
Yeah, he does.
And it was being done on his system. And from his system or something like that.
From his…
How would we integrate that into what we're doing? I have no idea. I'm just And I have no idea what else we could do.
Okay.
Well, maybe the next task for that will be When Sean has time or he feels like talking about it, we need to set up We need to understand how that would be done on a production basis So somebody else can
Right.
Some of the other Indians can help out.
I mean… That would be nice.
And create some documentation.
I hear Ken likes documentation.
I think it's nice too, said Stan.
I do too.
So we need to get support from Shahad to help us know how to support the new style site.
And get the new style site put in place.
Did you hear what I was saying? Update Gary for a second.
I was saying that since Sean is short on time right now maybe the next step should be so you know to help ping him and put together some great documentation, figure out how we can spread to spread the work out to other people basically
Yeah. Well, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
The de facto delay has been we haven't done anything with it instead of going live immediately so
Sure, that might be good in the long run. Motivation.
Yes.
Okay, at this point, I actually… Ken has some kind of entry placed in on that.
In the agenda. We could go back to the normal progression.
Yeah, I do.
Okay.
Using the term normal rather use loosely but
All right, what's next?
Okay. We… As far as I can tell the treasurer report goes to 31 December.
Treasure reports in there. This month we P.O. Box renewal hit for 256 And I think we had three domain names renewed for 21 and some change.
Okay, so…
The numbers are updated, but those aren't belt just as of one december they're like one January and 31 january
Yeah, good. Thanks for reminding me. I need to i need to look Amber.
I can get that.
Yeah, I just updated the name of the month there, so you may want to reload.
They went well whoa.
While Lee is doing that, I'm going to jump ahead into the calendar report.
And uh kind of looking back over the last four years, the age of COVID, you can kind of see that the number of calendar entries has increased, particularly in the last two years.
And part of that is either my fault or my my gushy plan of my plan There were a lot of things that used to be in existence I was hoping would come back when the age of COVID finished.
And a number of groups and meetings just never have come back.
So I have been trying to do my due diligence and get my get in there and get in there kill off meetings which just no longer seem to be viable. Some of those are because I'm now seeing that in meetup
That meetup is now kicking those people out for non-payment. But other ones are just i know they're just history and they don't seem to ever be recurring. So I will be trying to clean out some of these older calendar entries.
Do we have any guidelines as to they needed to publish something publicly within the last year, two year, three year, whatever.
To stay on our calendar.
No, we never have published an official rule on that. So it's always just kind of been up to whoever is keeping the calendar, which is usually me.
You know. If I, the editor.
Just don't feel like they have a chance of a chance of returning, then at some point i just you know take them all.
What I've been trying to do And by the way.
Okay.
Rudy. Has said that he would take over the calendar. He said this months ago And it's my fault. I just never have been satisfied with how unclean I've had the calendar.
And so I'm going to try and clean it up and then turn it over to him.
But one of the things that I do do is there's a group called hiatus, isn't that correct, Stan?
I don't know.
Yeah, I think hiatus, which normally is invisible and uh uh You don't see it.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where you move yeah uh if something We've made entries. We can change the group to hiatus and it means we keep all that written narrative and background So that we could pull it back out and don't have to type so much.
Right. And that's what I've been trying to do is rather than just letting things disappear off the calendar with with no trace because the odd thing is, is a lot of times you know if it came from meetup or if it came from somebody's website
It will have the names of the people who were running that meeting, maybe their email addresses or other contact info.
So it's kind of… perhaps interesting Not just interesting but useful that some someday Excuse me.
Don't want to throw it all away is what you're saying.
Yeah, yeah. So I try and save it off so that if we ever did want to figure out who ran that group and is there any hope of hope getting some information It's archived off.
And you're also saying that you like to vacuum the floor and do all the dishes before you have the house cleaner come in and clean up your mess, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, otherwise. And that's the bad thing is I should have turned this over to Rudy months ago But I just didn't feel like dumping it on him when it was still in a mess so But anyway, so you should be seeing
Go ahead, Ken.
You have a… you have something that will help you enable you to understand when it's good enough
No. It's going to go back to all our usual rule of thumb that whoever decides to do the work gets to decide how they do it and to what quality they do it.
No, I meant what I was asking actually it was Does Gary have that?
No, I don't think so.
You kind of shoot from the hip and generally one trick is when I notice that it has disappeared.
Okay, I think we're, I think, sorry, but I think we missed my point.
I'll try to explain it more clearly. Do you have an idea in your own mind of how you will know when you are done and ready to hand it over.
Oh, um. You're right. I don't have a clear idea of that. I guess just when I feel that, okay, I've I have… made it so I don't feel like I'm just dumping it on Rudy and saying here just deal with it.
Yeah, I'm not complaining about that part But you might want to give five minutes of thought.
To how you'll know you're done.
Yeah, that's a good idea. That's a very good idea. Gotcha.
I think it might be a better idea, Gary, for you to just look at it to get somebody to help you and work as a team and say, this is a mess. You do what you can do. I'll do what we can do. And eventually we'll get it cleaner.
And don't, you know, don't put it in anything beyond that.
Yeah, yeah.
I.e. Get some help. Grab help if you can or go back to him, see if he still wants to do it.
Good points. Thank you, Ken.
Sure.
Lee, I interrupted your uh fixing up the treasury report. Is it all fixed Oh, I can't do anything until Ken's out of there.
Okay. Otherwise, I'll blow up his edits. Okay.
Right i i think i think didn't do it in December for some reason.
Okay, I'm showing that the day tip and change from the Treasury report.
Now says 1 January 31 january That's this month. I just put that in there.
Right. Ken was saying, I don't know if that beginning balance is the same one from December.
Oh, okay.
Mr. Stan, I'd like to point out on the calendar thing I did do the count for December, but I don't know where I put it. I've been so busy lately and I have not done the January counts for the
Calendar entry. So there's two two blocks there Two blocks there just got good question marks.
Oh, really?
When I get a minute. Tomorrow afternoon, I'll go ahead and pull those numbers and stick them in there.
Subscriber report. Anything of interest, Stan, since you're always familiar with these numbers?
Um… Discuss went down too from the previous month.
Beyond that, it looks all about announced went down one And they were too up on the… or three up on the sysadmin list.
Which kind of interesting. At some point, I think what we ought to do is go in there and just purge this admin list because I don't know how to, well, half these people and I've never seen them.
Or they haven't been around in years. I'm a sush admin list.
What if we… send an email and I think Mailman had an option Send an email.
Asking people to actively confirm they want to retain their subscription.
Okay.
Yep.
To this as admin list. And like 30, 60, 90 days, pick a number And if you don't reply positive within that number of days, we're going to assume the negative and I would probably just disable delivery and then wait another 30, 60, 90
Before unsubscribing, but the disabling delivery is kind of like the hiatus For the calendar, it's real easy They could even re-enable their own membership.
Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. Nice idea.
Cool. Thank you.
And it's probably worthwhile looking at some of the numbers. To do similar to with steercome Discuss.
And announce just so that we know that people that are getting the email have said, yes, I do still want this.
Just purely mailing list hygiene type thing.
We should pick a small list and do that one first.
Good.
Yeah.
I would probably do steer comm, sysadmin.
Discuss and then announce.
And I just use steer comm as more sysadmin a little less internal and then I'm going by size.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah. And the meetup is just kind of irrelevant. It's phony numbers.
So like… have somebody maybe somebody in a chaired position send an email sometime in February saying please respond or post something to the list by the end of March.
And then that gives them plenty of time we can then look at it and go through and people that did not re-up.
Disable.
As a matter of note, this last new Linux meeting. I had a guy show up that's been on the announce list for years.
And hasn't posted anything or attended any meetings or whatever. Even before COVID for quite a while. And he just he he showed up at the new Linux group because he was interested in going, getting away from Windows 11.
And I was considering Linux. And he knew about our group because he was an old-time participate.
Name is Ron Champion.
That's amazing.
And that's the type of people we don't want to alienate.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Right. Moving along. Yes.
Okay. Yep. Moving along.
There's an attendance report. There's the bean count. Right there at the bottom.
Okay, Treasury reports are all in.
Okay.
Any… Anything remarkable that you want to point out on the uh
On these numbers? Be sure you refresh.
Turns out. No, not the treasury numbers. Oh, okay. Never mind.
Which Dan was just talking about the attendance count
Easy way, dummy.
Oddly enough, one thing I note is the attendance at steer comm seems to be decreasing.
But… Well…
On a personal note. The… slug and slugg the Unix and Linux are our primary interest.
And I appreciate Steercome, but my wife kind of looks at me and it's like the meetings are how long and how often?
Yeah.
Yeah. I'll point out that we record the presentations and you can look at them at some other time.
Yeah, but I don't get to participate in discussions that way.
And we always appreciate the discussion. I called.
I know. Definitely. But we can placate the significant other.
You know. Of course, the solution there would be to find more fun stuff for her to do. That's right. That's right, yeah.
We need to get a spouse's uh meeting it could be done at the same time and they talk about us idiots over here.
Alrighty. Unless there's anything else to point out on the numbers.
Let's travel on down. Meeting review and comments. Okay.
There was… Yeah, the January meetings. Okay.
Well. There was a… December 30th uh steer comm.
Okay. Sorry.
Hey, Stan, bump that a couple of fonts, will you?
How about that? Good?
Much better. That way I don't have to squint. Anything to say about Slack?
Wonderful meeting. Guys show up and they really help out. I couldn't do it by myself.
Now, Phil is the co-host. He knows a lot of hardware stuff and But a lot of times sean a lot of times shows up a lot of times Tony C shows up and then Ron BC from British Columbia shows up.
Those guys, you know, if we have a a rare occasion, we actually have a new person show up.
They bend over backwards to help that person out and not talk over their head. I really appreciate that.
But more than likely, people will show up at the SWAC meeting, the first timers, they're just wanting to find out about Unix or Linux?
And so a lot of times somebody is from the, I'll point out the new Linux user group.
Within a week or two, we'll have the Slack meeting, which is also free format.
That's very receptive to new people.
In the last six months, we've had three or four women show up And then once or twice and then once I guess we scare them off because we're… you know an old man club the gray bids and stuff.
Or, you know, they got what they needed.
I think a lot of times that's what it is. They got what they needed.
Mm-hmm.
Bye. Good.
Let's see. Nothing else on that? Oh, I would ask, hey, Ken, if you could uh Slip those names of the people who've been active maybe into the into the
My brain is trashed. Ken, what are you typing? Minutes. Thank you. There we go.
I swear my brain is totally useless. You sound like blood.
Or close your terminal windows. You're not safe to be root right now.
Yeah.
And give me those names, please.
Oh, Ron B.C. Tony C.
Stay on that.
And… Sean Tweehouse.
And who's your co-
Oh, co-host is Phil Bunch on the Slack meeting.
Thank you.
So you say, Sean Tweehouse was in… the Slack meeting in January.
Not necessarily January, but he does often attend.
Okay. Fair enough. I was just thinking about the comment earlier that he said work was changing.
Yeah.
Like a lot of people, I'm tired of work. I want to go something I'm familiar with and sit down and have a beer while I talk with people I know.
Yep.
Golly.
All right. Moving on. Slu, January the 8th.
I think the title of the base Should be changed.
I believe we were calling it Android cell reception tool And it says in the minutes, Andrew cell reception.
That's a typo.
Yep.
Fixed.
And actually, I don't remember how we listed it in the What are you following?
Preliminary releases It's actually called it's actually Here, Gary.
Network cell info light. Was actually the software that Lee was talking about
I think I used whatever they had in the planning schedule report And Andrew is a typo.
Should have been Android.
I had nitpick, nitpick, nitpick, nit, nitpick. Irrelevant. Nobody's going to read this.
So, but since the proper software is natural cell info light And there is a ios Yeah, it is a nitpick. But there is a Well, yes, I will.
No, they won't.
There is an iOS version that's available so we should you know Leave it so that Pointing out the difference.
Well, I'm not going to change it.
I'm getting old and cranky.
Well, it's just… Andrew.
Or why I put that end under comments.
At least we need to delete the Andrew.
Yeah, I've done that already. Oh, wait a minute there's It's of two places.
All right.
Any other comments about any other comments network cell info in Follite presentation.
In the…
It was good. I mean, I think there's good stuff to learn from it.
Useful little tool. I'm happy that Lee.
Said dear, Gary, install this.
Under remarks. The remarks seem somewhat redundant.
I do that for my purposes. Don't worry about it, Barry.
Okay.
That has to do with not being able to remember your last breath.
Alrighty, moving on.
That's it. You got it, Steve. I can't remember what I had for breakfast.
Okay. Yep.
That's CRS syndrome.
Okay, the SLU General Meeting, main topic uh Live, Debbie and Tim, upgrade to Debian 11.
Comments.
I did not know I was going to be co-hosted at the start of the meeting
But I tried to cover my bases.
Yeah.
I was, this is Stan, I was thoroughly impressed on how well everything went.
Full stop. Absolutely full stop.
Because the preparatory work beforehand
Completely based on the work that Mike and Lee had done I brought small potatoes to the table it was all about them.
Yeah, you made it sound very good.
Hey, good directions are easy to read.
Yeah.
I think we had a mailing list for the Bach upgrade.
I don't know that it got used much. Do we want to retire that?
I'm not sure we had a list. I've been using sysadmin.
Or am I mistaken in that?
Okay.
Okay, maybe I'm mistaken then.
I think the issue was that the issue something with the current male wouldn't transition easily over to Debian 12.
And so we were just going to stick with it. Wasn't that one of the decisions?
Until we… Okay.
No. No, you're thinking about something else. I have a folder under slug that was for the Bach upgrade itself.
Right, right.
And I mistook that as a dedicated mailing list.
But you are correct. We decided we were not tackling the mailman upgrade yet i think yet i think that's ostensibly the next elephant in the room type thing.
Right.
I don't understand. Okay. I don't understand what it was that you were trying to bring up.
In my email client that I'm looking at on the other screen.
Yes.
I have a folder that is specifically for stuff about discussions about upgrading Bach.
In my head, I had that was a separate mailing list we had created.
For that project. Sorry for the confusion.
Oh.
Yeah, I'm looking at the list on Bach. The official or the configured list or announced discuss mailman staircom, SGL web dev, SGL web dev announce, SysAmin.
And temp test and some more drone.
I was wrong. I'm sorry.
No worries.
Alrighty. Okay. Moving on.
Stl Linux on January the 16th. Wi-fi packet captured with Wago chai.
Onagati.
Yeah, that too. I swear, I have not been able to pronounce that. Okay. All right.
Okay, comments. Besides the fact that Gary can't pronounce it.
Learned a lot.
The most intriguing thing was after the meeting, Stan said to me.
Gee, Gary, I'm glad you kept on asking the simplistic question over and over again because yeah He was right. We were both looking at the wrong thing. No, this wasn't trying to look at individual people's Communication. You're just trying to get his password to the network.
Yeah.
And at the end, I was arguing with Gary. I thought Gary was wrong. But then Gary finally got it and then that by persistently asking some questions, I finally understood what Gary eventually started to understand.
So I embarrassingly told Gary a couple of times he was wrong.
I wouldn't worry about that too much.
This is why we no longer hold meetings in person because this way Stan is not within reaching distance of my lunch.
And by the way, this goes back to
And I've said this before, I can't complain. Different groups do things differently. But the 2600 group Their idea of an abstract is what kind of a literary masterpiece they can make with rhymes and rhymes connections to old cartoon series
You know, they their abstract went on if you guys read it for you know two long paragraphs of two gobbledygook about a gobbly about Quanagatchee.
Thank you. Very close. But it would have made a lot more hopeful for me as a technical person to say that the point of the software is to try and sniff out.
The SSID's password But no, that's not the way the guys 2600 right there abstracts.
But anyway, I think we all learned something from it. So it was it was a good presentation in that respect.
Okay. I noticed Alex Toll's name there.
I don't know where it's best to put this comment. In the minutes.
Been trying to contact alex for the last few months i guess The note there is about his june 2004 meeting.
That presentation but that presentation Alex, before that had been fighting cancer And so he was all happy because the treatments were over with He was going to resume working on his PhD in September.
And so he finally did. Answer me just here this week. And so he His cancer has returned.
Oh, jeez.
Returned right after he did his presentation last summer. It's stage four and he's doing chemo And he's also trying to stay in his PhD program so So he said he appreciated our our thoughts for his good health and that we were interested in him.
But he said, at this time You can't be doing a presentation for us. I said, hey, we understand.
You're always welcome to come to the meetings. Even if you can't make time to do that, we understand.
Hope things cure up and you'll make it later
Okay, new Linux making. Any comments about that, Stan or Steve, were you there?
I was looking at something else. Say that again.
New Linux meeting? Were you there?
No. I don't think this group.
Stan, were you there?
Yeah, I think I… Yeah, I was there.
As chairman for life dictator for life of that group. Yeah, I was there.
And we had a gal show up and she kind of have been to another meeting and she asked one or two simple questions and And then that was the meeting where that was the meeting Ron.
Champion showed up and he was a previous member And we went through a lot of the stuff that you know I usually try to throw at a new beginner we dive deeply into distro watch.com. Ed Holland was there and asked a question about
It was capable of showing distros did not use system d and i showed them where the share the screen and show them where the search engine was on distro watch And we went through Distro Washington quite a bit of detail. And then I jumped over to the
Newlinux.org website where I've got two menus that one of them lists a lot of links to interesting links that are help a new user sites that I have found over the years.
And second. Page that i'm building.
That lists videos, Linux specific videos and a number of sites that I find are very new Linux user oriented And it is a very much work in progress But at least those URLs are pointed out to them are something that
Are very worthwhile to new users. And a number of other things.
In that course. Ron BC from British Columbia was quite helpful.
In pointing out some things to a new user. I just wish we had, you know, instead of the the audience that we have for those meetings, I wish they would be 40, 50 people instead of just 13 or 12, you know.
Because a lot of times we go over such useful information for those people and they're just too shy. They don't like to ask questions.
And I have to go around the room and kind of corner people. And sometimes I don't get to them and they'll leave before I get to them.
H. It can be fun and uh It's always… And I will say this, just like every other meeting I've attended since 1993 with this group.
I've learned something. Useful or new every meeting.
And from somebody else. And I can't remember specifically what the new thing was for that meeting, but it was just like all the others. I learned something.
And I hope that the other people did too.
Excellent. Thank you, Sam.
Welcome.
Okay, moving on to… February, upcoming meetings.
February the 12th. Um base Ken.
You had a couple of interesting suggestions the other month.
Yeah, I think you should figure that I'm not available to do that on the 12th.
Okay, you're not available. Okay. All right. In reference to your suggestions.
No.
Wiping the solid state disk there was a a woman that used to live here in St. Louis Prior to COVID, she moved out to california But her area of expertise disc repair or also wiping discs but that Of course, we're talking five, six years ago and in those days it was still
Spinning platters so um But I've been meaning to try and get her to do a presentation since everything we do now isn't jitsu and remote. No reason why she couldn't do a talk bar Except for time.
So if I may suggest, Ken, of the two. Maybe think about doing the doing the talk you suggested on IXI, is that it?
Oh, yeah, I.
Okay. But maybe put the priority on that i'll If I ever do get in contact with this woman I'll see.
What, if anything, she's willing to do for us and then may be able to find a way of complementing your talk on wiping the solids date disc with something that she may have.
Okay. Let's see.
Oh, do we have a presentation? For next week.
No. Looking to see what the other one that was there on the planning schedule but it's not ready to go yet Hey, Grant, let me bring up an old one. What about our network sniffing part four?
I have finished the life projects I had going, but I'm not going to be able to get set up for what I want to do.
Potentially could do it for potentially March.
Okay.
If you wanted to do… And so it's base, it's the short one, right?
With all the work we're doing with TLS, talked about earlier, and I've done a whole bunch with tls as of late.
I could… potentially throw together something talking about What is a certificate?
What is an intermediate certificate? What is a root?
Certificate, how do they work and what do they mean for you?
Type thing.
Nice. Yeah.
I'd like to point out, Grant, that I've already got you listed on the planning schedule for Three other topics.
One of them is you probably didn't know about networking sniffing part four, TLS.
You're talking about.
That's what Lee was just talking about.
Oh, okay. Cool. And public-private SSH key setup. Is that something separate? Yes, no?
That would actually be very easy to do for next week.
Right. Okay. And I've got also a thing here, port knocking that's something that I wanted to do a lot of the background work before I even cornered you on it.
But the way my life is going now, it's going to be three or four months down the road, I'm sure.
Fair enough.
So you don't have to worry about that one but i would appreciate it that you be willing when the time comes.
Three or four months down the road.
Okay.
An alternative bash variable difficulties, Ed Holland could possibly didn't want to corner him on that, but if nothing else comes up, we can probably tap on Ed Holland. The problem is it also taps into me because since ed is blind
I have to help him put together the slides. And…
Stan, what was the subject again real quick?
On what? Ed, bash variable difficulties.
The problems with dash variables. That's the title I put in there.
Ed was having some other title and I hadn't read entirely the… email he sent to the editor so that Gary should be able to read it too. But Gary hadn't read any mail since sometime last… Around Turkey Day, I think.
Hey, Stan, what was that one I put out there last a few weeks ago?
From the Andrew's presentation and in Des Moines last month was it System D logging.
You got bypass SMTP. Blocking.
No.
Yeah.
Is that it?
No, that's… No, no, this was uh this was what Andrew did for the CIA log last month.
I watched it and uh where is their archives?
Oh, shoot me.
Posted on steercome. Nobody remembers.
Apparently, I Well, you know, I can… I can read something and 20 minutes later, I forgot what I read.
Yeah, here I was saying I've had a whole bunch of things happen lately.
Yeah.
System D logging you posted to steer comm the January 18th.
Gentlemen.
Happened to catch the topic from CIA LUG this week. Was not advertised andrew put together a presentation in System D logging.
That was it. Okay.
You were offering to do or something you wanted to hit him to do?
Well, Gary is good about roping him, so I was going to drop it in his lap.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
A quick question to Grant. You had mentioned that title public and private ssh key setup but I didn't understand you were mentioning it Not because you thought it could be done this month because you're still busy this month.
Oh, well, no, there's so… What I mentioned, like network sniffing part four That's one thing.
Tls certificates and keys, what they mean for you. Is a separate thing. And then there's the ssh keys that you was on the list. Ssh keys to me art is probably the easiest Of those three?
Okay. Oh, and Grant, if you're going to do it I've seen some… Recently, in the last year.
Where the public key is like 50 characters long. Well, and it's a new one.
Are you familiar with that?
Eds… elliptic curve two, five, five, one, nine or something like that.
Is that an elliptic curve?
Yeah, that might be.
Yeah, that's a particular elliptic curve.
I can't use it because half the machines I talk to are 20 years old.
Right. That actually is actually not emerging that is becoming a big problem with SSH. I had to, when I recently updated some Gen 2 machines.
I had to add a new compile time option to support older systems that I still log into.
The default had removed. The old things that were required.
Oh.
Rsa is not default anymore with SSH. It uses that elliptic curve thing.
No. Yep.
Well, it depends on what system you're on.
Well… Yeah, yeah, that's true. Of course.
But just true.
So getting back to it. Shall we accept grants generous offer to do a base on public-private SSH key setup for February?
If you're offering grant, that's offering grant I mean, I can see if Andrew Denner's
Let's… do twofold. Let's see.
If Andrew might be available and then let me chat with Lee use him as a sounding board for something.
I mean.
I was thinking Andrew would be amazing. Oh, yeah.
Okay. All right.
If Grant could do the base, I can help him with that. And then if we can Andrew for the main that covers for next week. Okay.
Yeah, I can wing it and I can hopefully make it better than a wing.
Okay. All right. Great. Thank you, Grant.
So.
Yeah, really?
Yep. All right. Before I volunteer for anything else or be voluntold for anything else or my wife hollers at me.
I think I'm going to say have a good night, gentlemen.
I'm coming up on the witching hour i needed to say goodbye. Bye.
All right. Have a good one. You're welcome. Bye.
Buenos doches señor muchas gracias.
Thank you. Bye.
All right, thanks.
Okay, man.
Okay. Maine. Thought I had Scott Graneman lined up. Oh, you got somebody. Well, it did uh I've been trying to catch him on the phone last week and then today And I finally got a text message back from him just as I was about to come to the meeting tonight.
And he said, I can't do it this month. But his topic originally was… Eight.
Eight neat questions I've asked chat GPT. Basically, it's the kind of stuff that you've been doing, Lee, where you been going to chat GPT. You sure am. That's one of my three monitors up there. Mm-hmm.
So, uh. Scott's basically got a presentation they're just putting together or has put together that basically is putting together is eight things that ChatGPT found the solution to.
Of course, I found out something interesting in the last week.
What they are making money boatloads hand over fist Because half the time when I try to log in in the morning, I have to wait five minutes.
Oh, and it's… time based on the charge.
No, no, it's not time-based. I'm saying it takes five minutes.
To get a connection to an auth server that can log me in.
And how does that get the money? Because they're so busy.
Logging people in that are paying 20 bucks a month. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.
Are you sure that that price is actually making them money?
I don't know. I just think that it's… open question.
Yeah, I don't know either. Obviously, the calm chai with uh deep search or insinuated. Anybody that uses a tool like that has got to have a screw loose Well, I'm hearing now that i'm hearing now the deep six or deep search doesn't come up with the right answers anywhere near as often as ChatGPT does.
They've made the source. Open source.
They've written papers on how they did it and they did So it's interesting, but it's not the same as chat GPT.
Yeah, well, it doesn't have anywhere near the resources behind it. Yeah.
So anyway, the stock prices will probably readjust. Okay, I will call Andrew Denner and I've got a couple other people in mind to still contact Right now, we still don't have a main lockdown. Why don't you email?
Can do that. Yep. Um see there's somebody else I was going to mention to you all.
Oh, oh, oh. Brian Bilgery was the other one that I had lined up for trying to get lined up for this month.
And Brian, as you may remember, has spoken to us, been a member of the group for a number of years.
Brian is more of a BSD. Lover than a Linux lover And which is fine.
I mean… Particularly the wednesday night meeting open to vote. And so I was talking to Brian a number of times said, well, you say you're buying the new box. You're going to build this new box and But you got something that needs to run on Linux and so you're
You're worried. Are you going to put Linux on the new box? I said, well, you know.
Dual boot it or you got to Do it in a VM.
Brian did a presentation a couple years ago on doing the VM on a VSD box and uh oh really yeah And so I was like, hey, time to brush up that presentation and and uh Give us the latest version of it since you've got to be doing it again, maybe.
So anyway, so anyway But he's not ready to do it yet, I thought.
He was my alternative for this month but hasn't had enough time to had enough time bring it along yet so So yeah, I will get back to work and find somebody instead.
Oh, um. Is on the planning schedule here there's Zealand versus T-Mux.
C. Stegman, was that something? Was that something that you had brought up?
Yes, Gary.
No, Sean Tweehouse had brought that up. He thought of E.
I've… gave a presentation on TMUX and I use it but
Now, the Zelech thing was something that Sean Treehouse had was using and he thought that him and Lee could do that
Okay.
And I'm not even sure that's spelled properly.
Alrighty. Oh, and I've done the one below that scan vulnerabilities.
You did that? When did you do that?
Okay, I'll go look at it. Thank you.
Last year.
All righty uh and uh if y'all… are able to go to slew.org slash planning.pdf That's the planning schedule.
As usual, Stan has done a wonderful job of keeping a good good record there.
It would be better if you would look at it now and then and tell me where it needs to be changed.
So there's a bunch of
Ouch.
For one thing under the who for tellage versus TUX, we need to put in.
He said, Sean? Lee? Yeah, Sean and Lee. Yeah.
So Sean for that one. Yeah, if he wants to do zeal age, I can do T-Mux.
Okay.
Or Steve, if you'd like to jump in since you've done the TMUX presentation.
You'd have a trio.
I've still got mine.
What is the question about TMUX? Is there a problem with it or
Oh, that… You want to do it through that.
No, it's a fight between the two, you know? What comparison, compare and contrast kind of thing.
Okay, T-Mux versus what?
That zealots or whatever it is.
Yelling. Right now, the spelling that Stan has on the planning schedule here is Z-E-L-I-J.
But he's not totally sure that spelling is correct.
Might be two L's.
Boy, I don't know. I have no idea. Is that up here on the screen somewhere, Stan?
Yeah, right here.
Oh.
Well, let me throw it into a something and see what I get. Z-e-l-
Let's move along. Let's move along.
Okay. And Steve… Yeah, if it turns out that you can work with uh work with Sean on this, that might make for a nice It is Z-E-L-L-I-J.
Yeah.
A terminal similar to TMUX.
Okay.
I just looked it up and says a terminal workspace with batteries included
Those. Yeah, I think so too.
Okay.
I assume they're being funny.
Don't.
All right. For the… Thursday, St. Louis log Right now, I don't have anything.
Oh.
I did text James last week. Pointed out there was a steering committee meeting tonight asked him if he had anything and I have not heard back from him.
Let's move along.
You get married yet? Yes. So we spent his two weeks over in India and done all that.
Yeah. Yeah, I believe so.
I think so. Okay.
If anybody has any ideas for the log meeting or the main Please.
Drop me a line or a phone call or something. All righty. And… Let's see. So coming up in March.
As I say, Graneman. It's close. I don't know what happened.
That he decided that he may have been something at work or family. I don't know, but he can't do it this month so He may be ready for march and uh Similarly, Ryan Bulgari may.
There's new hardware and he may be ready also that month.
Maybe by that time I'll be ready to talk about crypto money.
What? Okay. So, yep. So anybody have any ideas I'm sure you would have said it if you have it off the top of your head, but let me know.
Offline later if you come up with ideas for this month.
Okay, moving on. What uh what's next on the agenda?
Oh, business.
Zella just got a pretty nice PowerPoint presentation here.
It's got bunches of colors and
Like I said, Steve. Look over it, maybe drop sean a note.
And… See if the two of you can line up on something.
Yeah. You happen to have Sean's email
Oh, God.
It's in the planning schedule somewhere. And so on and it's and it's also in steercome list, I believe.
I've seen him on the web. I don't know him personally.
Here it is, Sean Tweehouse. I'll send it to you.
Please do, Lee.
We covered already the website. Schloob.org maintenance.
Who?
Earlier, we covered that. Also uploading presentations. We're talking about the The… work on the new site.
Now we need to talk about the website meetup.com maintenance
Anything to say? I don't know.
I hate meetups. Yeah.
I hate it too. Unanimous, I think. Anybody that deals with it.
What's that? Oh, I keep hearing bad things.
Meetup.com.
I've never tried to use it.
Go ahead. Try and use it. You'll find out why we don't like it.
So… Okay.
Anything? I don't know.
Other comments?
They're in business to make money. And so, yeah, they keep coming up with new little twists hopefully get them more customers or subscribers.
Uh sometime
Yeah. I've heard that at a certain point, like a thousand members, they start hitting you up for money, a larger amount.
Right now, 10 is… is paying for it. But I've been trying to keep the membership down to below a thousand Because every month they jacket, they throw 30 new members at us and names and sometimes two or three people might attend a meeting.
Out of that 30 people And I've been going back and looking at names that haven't attended any of our meetings in five years, and I delete them And now the last time, first time I did it, I deleted 250 names.
This last time I went through, I've deleted like 120 different names Right now it's back up to 918.
And at some point I need to go in and delete more names and The amazing thing is these names, people never come back.
I never see the names come back that I delete.
Yeah. Hey, Stan. Personally, I don't think it makes any difference, but I did check when this came up last year meetup does not say there is a second tier.
Yeah.
Okay. Then I'm just shooting myself in the foot by working too hard.
You know?
Well, I'm saying you don't have to do it, I don't think.
Okay.
Yeah.
Of course, Ken's the one that sees the bill if we ever did get hit, you know, we could scramble right away but officially meetup said there's meetups on the meetup website it says there's no No difference.
Okay. Well, keep that in mind.
Is there anything else we should say?
No, I think that says it.
Did there be anything in the comments there on meetup.com if you need to record?
Yeah. I mean, they just always put in a little bit of new stuff every month, you know, new new tricks new tricks New comments and it So you just kind of have to keep up on it. I need to do a better job of going to their
Area for list administrators and i just haven't availed myself of Learning.
I've never bothered.
All right. Announce mailing list. Anything?
No comments. Moving on. Cameras and microphones and projectors I'm going to suggest there's no new information on that.
Attendance database. Stan, you have anything different to add?
It's up to date. I've got it up to date. I have not, as I said before, I have not
I don't know, somewhere in there i put it. It was agreed that we'd only have to keep three years of data that's efficient.
And I have not gone back and deleted it. Prior stuff to three years because I just haven't had time, but I'll do it eventually. No big deal.
Planning schedule report database. I just wish Gary would look at it more often.
I did have a problem with it. On my internal system.
But it was something that was something that I worked out was an internal firewall issue that broke something that I… one of the tools I had for publishing it But I fixed it.
Stan and I did get together over at his house. To look at it jointly together for a while.
Definitely a useful tool. Thank you, Stan.
Welcome. Um.
Handouts. I haven't had time to do anything on that. Organizational papers I presume that box is still in your basement, right, Gary?
Okay.
Then it kind of shakes and vibrates and i've grow a couple of uh throw a couple of Dog bones. Can I suggest you put a couple of bricks under it just to make sure it doesn't get too damp? That's a good idea.
All right um Sponsorships.
Once again, a big thanks to ken for keeping us on meetup.
As much as we make jokes. And complain about meetup.
We have gotten some new people, so.
New business any new business
I don't think so.
Oh, one thing. Have you hit system in yet? Yes, we're already past it.
Completely slipped my mind at the time. I think I was distracted.
I do have a VPS. Out in the cloud.
Set up for Jitsi. If anybody would like to play with it with me.
I would. I would. I would. I would.
Yeah, I'm sorry, Stan, but you didn't hear the next sentence.
Like to play with it and help me figure out how to set the damn thing up, I would welcome it.
Uh-oh.
Hmm. I…
Because there's about eight different components that they talk about configuring, and I have no idea what each one of them does And I never have enough time to figure it out.
I will say that's probably a problem because they're Last time I looked, which is about three years ago, their documentation on it wasn't that great.
Well, I mean, it tells you what to do, but it doesn't tell you why to do it.
Oh.
You know and they don't even talk about how Jitsi runs its own server.
But they don't tell you how to set up a search for it.
How to configure a shirt part Although luckily, uh.
Yeah.
It's set up as live.sloop.org. So we could use a sloop wildcard cert if we wanted to.
Okay. Yeah.
But in a separate physical server.
Well, uh… I'd like to at least look at it.
No. You got my… You got my public got my public key for let me know what the URL is or the IP number.
You've got to log in, understand. Stan R.
Oh, I do? Which one is it? I mean, which… Is it live that slew.org?
Okay. I'll start looking.
Yeah.
You've got a newish key on there to add 25, 255, 19.
Bye.
And you've got a key from Shannard Bach. In fact, that's the last thing on my screen in a TMUX session.
So apparently we talked about it last year or before that
Okay.
I don't know. Looks like May 16th of 2022 is when we set it up.
I think are september 30th. It could be September 30th.
Okay. New business. A couple of things. First off.
This doesn't need to be written into the minutes. But my apologies. Yes, I have definitely been falling down on the job.
And uh One thing as I sit here staring at the monitors in front of lee I used to be able to read those.
Yeah, with both pair of glasses plus the ones I have in my pocket none of them are going to make it. They're not going to read this. And I can barely read the uh a laptop in front of them, I can't say that's barely. I can read it. But anyway, so tomorrow
How are you going to get there?
Actually, it was supposed to happen in December, but it got delayed. So tomorrow I'm going into my eye operated on and hopefully this will improve it so uh quite some somebody thankfully has volunteered to drive from the far reaches on the other side of the airport to my house to take me here.
Boy, it sure sounded a lot like Stan's voice when I said it.
What are you going to have done to your eye?
Cataract removed and uh
Do you say cataract? Okay.
Yeah, yeah. Challenge uh I don't need the fancy notoric lens, but I'm still getting the laser surgery.
Plastic.
So. So the laser surgery is a newer technique.
Oh, okay. And I think they've recommend getting it if you're going to have the toric lens.
So anyway, hopefully that will hopefully make me read stuff faster.
It's a… Hopefully, hopefully, yes. Well, it only takes an hour or so.
Hopefully Stan will remember to come get you tomorrow.
Yeah.
Yeah. So anyway, as I say, I definitely have been getting stuff done slower than I should.
And Stan is having just as many, if not more, problems as Gary's had in the last two months understands problems in the last two months have been Same kind of deal.
One arm paper hanger, right?
Alrighty. Recurring requirements.
We don't have any. No. No, no, no, no, no.
There was something else I was going to mention under new business.
What's the…
Something you mentioned earlier, Stan. I can't think what it is now.
Oh, I know what it is. There's an election this month.
Get your bribes in. When do we have to put out a ball um Actually, since this month is the voting technically I think I should be out by Thursday. Yeah, and I should have uh I should be posting an announcement to announce and discuss
You should be. Don't do it till I get it done, Gary.
So. Okay.
Let's see. I have not done what I said I wanted to do, and that was to go back and look at the minutes from last year.
Stan, do you happen to know? Which board seats are coming up for election?
It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't.
It does. It does. First… we need to know, is there one or two So they're all.
No, then. No. Well, you know, it just, you know, I'm the guy making the ballot, so it's up to me.
Yeah, and you need this information to make the ballot.
I do.
Well, see, the problem is if Stan's writing it He can do whatever the heck he wants.
That's right. Steve's got it.
Okay.
Well, we try and keep it to have some relation to reality, which realizes not the general political movement
Yeah.
Okay. Just believe what you want to believe.
All right. So anyway, there's either one or two board seats which are up for election this month.
Yeah.
All right.
I would like to remind people that… I only signed up to do this for a year.
Oh, yes, the secretary's job, yes. Thank you for all the efforts of Very much appreciated.
Thank you very much, Ken.
Sure.
Okay, recurring requirements.
Post office box renewal happens automatically.
Just did. Did okay. Pay bribes to stand, okay?
In February, IRS Farm 990N for tax exempt status due by April.
The postcards we you're going to take care of that yeah February, stlinux.org domain automatically renews.
Slug. Annual board meeting and elections.
H2.
I think that takes care of everything other than recognize the youthful efforts.
I think so.
Certainly among the useful efforts. Once again, a big thanks to ken uh And it's not just your fingers and your secretarial efforts Again, it's always good to always we come up with some good suggestions during the meetings so Thank you.
And… useful effort uh i believe i guess credit goes to Mike Knight.
For discovering the Ukrainian IP address? Yep. And uh See, it was Grant who was doing what?
So we've been working on a lot of stuff but he's a lot of stuff setting up presentation for next week dealing with all kinds of home projects.
I'm not sure what you use for that world.
He's just a good thing, good guy to bounce things off.
All right. Okay.
Any blue sky ideas that need to be bandied about?
Hearing none I hear a motion to adjourn.
I motion resign.
So…
So I'll move. Okay. All in favor signify that you will sign the respondents know, the ayes have got it.
All right.
Book end, Gary. I guess I was supposed to ask first if there's any… additional blue sky ideas that uh oh first we got to do the bookend. You're right. Okay. This has been the steering committee meeting for february 2025, it's for SLUB, the St. Louis Linux Unix users group
And today's date was Monday, February the 3rd, 2025.
Thank you