Start the recorder.
The time is 6.43.
Starting without Gary.
The lease here. He's gonna be here.
I'm here, Grant's here.
Gary's walking down.
Okay. Anything…
Hi, Harry.
Okay, Gary.
I'm acting as, sir. Recording… Secretary.
I'm walking away. Well, we'll forgive you when you bring food.
Any comments about that treasurer? Support, other than… But ENS?
Not much going on. We're staying alive. I'd just like to say, this treasurer's report looks so much better than the federal that I should put that up.
Okay, I got the calendar, uh, report in there. Um… 404, was it?
Hi, and… but… That's primarily because we keep adding stuff, and nobody's cleaning up the act.
So, I think is what's going on. Are you cleaning up the calendar? Any, Gary?
A bit, but I am… Still not as far along as I'd like, but I am trying to clean it up some.
You got anybody to help you?
Ugh. Ugh. His ghost. Yeah, my ghost, yeah.
So, no. Yeah, the mouse in my pocket.
What about the mouse in your pocket?
I just had to… get a bit more focused on it.
Would help you to focus on anything at this point.
Well, it's… It's kind of hard to focus when you've got people dying. That's true.
Yeah, it's true. I know how that is on my end.
Got a friend that, uh, he's been in the hospital 6 weeks now, I think.
He wound up with leukemia!
Wow.
He was… he got so sick, he had to call 911. They took him to the hospital and found out he had leukemia.
Oh, wow.
There's the bean counts. For the mailing list and everything.
Uh, meet up. Continues to do 20 or 30 every month, just because they can.
We did have one or two people show up for… It, uh… but… you know, nothing… significant, you know.
A lot of those numbers have got to be phony. Anyway, uh, announce is stable, and… You picked up one on to discuss. Discuss has been up and down.
Drop people off, pick some people… pick up. Well, one of the guys, uh, was added, it was one of the guys that came… Uh, to the face-to-face meeting from, uh… Uh, Craig Buczyk's uh, following.
Yeah. Hmm.
Oh, yeah? Yeah. Well, he came to, uh… Uh, pizza.
No, but did he come to… uh, Slack, or what… What do you think?
No, he just signed… he just signed up for a mailing list, that's all.
Okay.
Yeah, I recognize some of the people That, uh, came from Craig's other groups, but, uh…
Here's the most easily recognized, was the woman.
Couple got familiar, too.
So, uh, how did that work out?
It was very strange. We had reserved the, uh… the room, the separate room.
And Craig didn't tell that to the guys from… you know, the other groups that he was inviting.
And so, there was, I guess, about 12 of us from Slug? Yeah.
Who were already in the separate room. And we were kind of waiting for Craig, and… And then we saw Craig come in from the parking lot, we didn't see him.
When it came into the building. And then we realized that, okay, well, there were, like, 8 people from Polyglots Group, and… and Ruby on Rails group, who were sitting in the main room.
And Craig thought, okay, this must be the group, and so he stopped there.
Oops, so did they pick up and move into the room?
Yeah, mm-hmm, yep.
Cool.
And there's accounts for the meeting attendance. And, uh… for May, and the Slack meeting is also on the, uh… First… Thursday of the month.
Kind of steady numbers, kind of. At least the new Linux meeting picked up a bit. I was happy about that.
Uh… The sign-in sheet for that Nick and Elena's Pizzeria meeting, that's, uh, 23.
But, uh, we didn't… we didn't think to take an actual headcount, did we, Gary?
Um, I think I did. Um, I don't remember what it is, unfortunately. Um… I got it written down on it.
You told me over… you told me earlier that you did not.
Yeah, I didn't? Okay.
Yeah, that's what you said, because I had asked you.
Well, it was, like, 12 for Slug and 8 That'd be 20 plus Craig, that's 21.
So…
Okay.
But there were actually 23 names on the sign-in, so… And, um… and I couldn't read… the handwriting, even though I tried to… to put them on the mailing list, so I just… I submitted what I thought I could see, and…
Only one of them actually went through. So…
Well, so that's what those bounces were, okay.
May 1st, uh, Slack meeting was Yeah.
In your muted, Stan. Or, no, I'm sorry, anonymous coward is muted, it's right next to you.
Yeah.
Mostly regulars.
Uh… I don't know… I don't… I don't remember anything unusual about the STIRCOM meeting.
In May. Do you?
I do.
I know.
14 May, the… Craig did the, uh…
Voice technology thing for… base.
I did not make it and need to listen to the recording.
Comments?
I thought was pretty interesting.
Especially when he kept trying to get the stuff to work the way he wanted it to.
Or it wouldn't.
Was he talking about, um… prior work effort, or, uh, trying to get demos or something to work?
Trying to demo the stuff. Yeah, the live demos have problems.
Yeah.
I don't know what else to say about it.
Kind of thought maybe it was a… problem with Zoom not behaving You know, as… as he had expected, but uh… Yeah, he likes to use this stupid AppleCrap hardware, and… stuff just doesn't work right on it.
Or whatever the hell it is.
Yeah, Iowa, we don't know what hardware he was on.
Yeah.
And then he did the, uh… coding with voice thing.
Now, I gotta go back and listen to the… recording on that, but… Did that seem to even have yet more problems?
With the demo? It was… it was worse on the… on the lug.
I thought so.
Welcome, meeting. That's what I was thinking.
Really?
Hey, we had a face-to-face meeting!
15.
I think one question I have about the face-to-face is… did it go well enough you would consider doing another one?
Later this year or next year.
Um. Well, go well enough in the sense of You know, we had beer and pizza.
And there was… no particular, uh… speaker, I mean, Craig didn't make a speech to the entire room.
So we all just sat there and… And I gotta admit, I failed in this, I probably should have.
Suggested that people get up and do, you know, uh… change seats at some point in the evening, just so you talk to somebody else, but… As it was, only a couple people bothered to change seats, almost… 90% of us just sat in the same place and talked to the
The person on our right, left, and in front of us all evening, so…
Hmm.
So yes, if we were going to do this on a… on an intermittent basis.
I would make more of an effort to be a coordinating host, or somebody should.
And suggest a little more intermixing of the group.
Right?
Yeah. Considering I got real sick afterwards. I'm not sure I'd come to another one of these things.
What was that? Was it food, or you caught a bug, or…?
But… That is flu I got!
You know, the meeting was, what, it was Thursday? And then if I, you know, I… started, uh… getting a raw throat Saturday, Sunday, and… saw my doctor on Tuesday.
Ugh.
Who is it that also sick? Norm, you said?
Yeah, Norm. He had had it the couple of weeks earlier.
So you're still carrier, then? Oh.
Well, he wasn't there.
And he said the crazy thing was that he got it, and his wife did not.
You know, whatever. Any comments about this?
The actual voice coding with AR?
I think I've already made it, but… I think Lee agreed with me that the… The demo actually was worse on… the Thursday meeting, on the LUG meeting.
Yeah, on the coding side.
Hmm. I… I didn't… I didn't think so, but I don't know.
This wasn't.
I didn't really care, one way or the other.
Ooh, shoot. And uh… We had one newcomer.
At the new Linux users group. She came in, she was, uh… Just curious about Linux, and she is a college student with some programming classes, and she said she… She wanted to be, uh, data science was her interest, and she needed to find out more about
Linux file structures and all that kind of stuff. And we had another newcomer That had about one year's programming experience in a Linux environment.
Um, that was a pretty good meeting. Yeah, I was still pretty much under the weather, and… My voice was terrible, and I was short-tempered, and… Often confused, so Phil Bunch kept the flow of the meeting going very well.
So… I just as well not have been there. But… Uh, they did get my cranky opinions about a number of things.
Well, that's what counts.
I don't know. Any questions about that?
How many people were there?
I don't know. It sits up there in the bean count.
I'll scroll up and look.
New Linux had 11. For May.
Yeah. Up from the previous two months, which was good.
And two of them were newcomers.
Whatever. And here's the schedule for June!
5 June, we had a Slack meeting. Oh, that was a pretty good meeting.
He covered a whole bunch of troubleshooting issues. Um… One guy had some issues with Samba. He was running on a Bluetooth server with… he was using WebMen.
That was… that same guy that, uh, had been an earlier… had come in, I think, no, or it might have been a different guy, anyway.
He, uh, was using, uh, MS… windows and server installation.
As, uh… no, another person said that they were using, uh… MS Windows Server installations as workstations to avoid Installing all that… MS crap, where, that comes in with Windows 11 and… And uh… they still had the license, all that stuff, but…
You know, they found that it was a way to… avoid all that stuff in the… In the, uh, commercial.
Proprietary environment that they had. And we had some questions about HP printer software.
And the consensus was that HP printers suck with, uh… Even with Microsoft Windows.
Um… LAN sub-networking tips and techniques that people were talking about it.
Very interesting, diverse meeting that was. Uh, the Linux Novus, uh, recommendations that they made I asked, and they said, what do you guys recommend? And, you know.
Pretty much agreed Lennox Mint and Zorin, basic Zorin. Distro and PopOS, if somebody's interested in gaming.
Um, a couple other recommendations, MX Linux and Manjero. Which is… somebody said it was an arch rolling release derivative.
Whatever. And we talked about X windows versus Whalen. And, uh.
Overall, the… everybody kind of said that the remote connectivity failures And though, Waylon is not doing remote server connectivity yet.
So, that's an issue, and it is for me. And a whole bunch of different stocks.
Pretty good meeting. And then we got tonight's meeting.
Yeah, originally scheduled for 2 June. Any comments about the meeting tonight?
None? Okay. Yeah.
Thank you. Thank you all for coming, and… Accommodating the rescheduler.
So, we still got the available, uh. Next, uh, come Wednesday, what, two days from now?
9, 10, 11? Yeah. Are we gonna have a base session or not?
Are we just gonna tie it? Tie into… let the… Scott have a full gamut.
No. Well…
As much…
Yeah, I… I had, uh…
Suggested to Sean that, you know, could we just skip the base?
And he was agreeable to it. I had suggested that, you know, maybe he would want to move that talk to, uh, to the Thursday blog meeting day.
Uh, what is it, the 19th? Um… But he's busy on that, uh, Thursday.
Yeah.
And so, he has sent to an editor.
Basically, he… would be willing to do the Wednesday general meeting in July.
And he would do both talks, the The tutorial would be in Ansible 101.
What the hell is Ansible? Why do you care Uh, what are the basics?
And then, uh, the main talk… would be the one that he had started to put together as the tutorial.
And that would be on Ansible Poll, which would be how to do an automated workstation configuration.
So, uh, that kind of almost… uh, you know, Stan and I were talking, and about, you know, well, is Ansible pool really… a base-level tutorial talk.
And we were kind of debating whether or not it was. This solves that, because… He'll make that the main talk that night.
Okay. And we already have the… The abstracts, he's already written it up, it was included in the email that he sent to, uh, editor.
So…
Okay, getting back to Wednesday, have we got any kind of… Uh, right up from Scott.
Yes, that's in the calendar already? And it's also in Meetup.
Okay. Um… So… So we're gonna just do kind of a… a cursory introduction, and then a call for help kind of thing, and then… turn it over to… to… to… just got about a quarter till or something like that.
As soon as the call for help is over.
Yep, uh, it might… Yep, that'd be my thought. So, uh… You know, we could be finished in as little as 15 minutes, we might say 20, just to… Give it a little more slack. So, yeah.
Quarter till, 10 minutes till, we'll turn it over to Scott for the main talk.
Okay. Okay.
Now, what I continue to do is I do need to go out on the calendar, and in Meetup, and… explicitly say that we are not going to do a an opening tutorial, as we usually do, just for the people who are used to that.
And by the way, a thank you to Grant, uh… When we were talking about, you know, what should… how that tutorial for Ansible Polls should be tailored.
Grant jumped into the… email conversation with some good suggestions of how to tailor that talk. Thank you!
You're welcome. It sounded like it was good information, it's just, how do we slice and dice this to make it… the format.
Yeah, yeah.
And the, uh, noise I heard that I had to go investigate was a ladder that was sitting on the side, falling over.
Then there was this cat sitting there with this look on his face, like, hm? Me? I didn't see anything.
Okay. Holiday, Juneteenth, 19… June.
Same day as the… St. Louis Linux Group meeting.
What are we gonna have then?
Um…
This is the lug meeting? Yeah, next we have.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah, so that's a good question. We need to come up with a monthly
Like I said, I was kind of hoping to move Sean into that, so I just… got it straight with them this morning that, uh, that he wasn't available, so… So I haven't got a LUC meeting met yet.
Anybody got any ideas?
You're looking… so that'll be a… single longer, not, uh… base in Maine, like we do for Slug.
Yeah.
Yeah. And normally, we look for kind of more technical topics.
Yeah.
And hopefully, even focused on Linux instead of… Uh, whereas the main general meeting can be, uh.
Around.
Windows and Apple and BSD and whatever else. Float your balloon out the window.
You know, any kind of technology. But, you know, beggars can't be choosers, right?
Yeah. Um… the way things are going with me, I cannot… put a presentation together.
But if there was a, uh… either a free-form discussion, or… Um, I think Lee and I have had some emails going back and forth just tech discussions.
I think part of that could be… rehashed.
Like, uh… Google has made a… change with certificates for their Root CERT program, and I sent a discussion or message to discuss, I think.
And that continues to be entertaining.
Now, those kind of discussions are always really interesting and… Whoever shows up gets involved and participates.
But… We can't advertise anything that… people, you know, we can't describe anything like that, because people think it… It's nothing.
Yeah.
I, you know, I've… I've thought recently, uh. Instead of a call for help, kind of do a, uh… Um… just… share my screen and show, uh… problems that I see in my, uh.
Journal control log, you know, the, uh…
Because, you know, the… just to… just to get people, uh… you know, just throw something, and uh… get some opinions of, what the hell does this mean?
Yeah.
I think… I think that would be kind of a good call for help thing, just kind of… throw up my, uh… Uh, you know, my journal control log, and say, what the heck is this?
Because I don't know what that stuff is
Yeah, and it's… And it's more than just what are these messages.
It's how do you interact with journal control to refine what's displayed, or where do you go elsewhere on the system to figure things out, or…
Yeah.
Um, is there anything… on the spreadsheet.
Yeah, I kind of almost thinking that we could do that as a… as a base, if we could kind of, uh… this, you know, kind of… you know, be a little more, uh… introductory about it, like, you know, descriptive, because here's how
Here, I bring up, uh… My current… most recent, uh.
Yeah, almost a, uh…
Yeah, um… Journal…
Uh… session… And… and find, uh… the error message is there, I don't know, I just… You'll have to forgive me right now, I'm still fuzzy-headed right now from… this flu.
I won't… I can almost see a, uh… title of, like, okay, I ran Journal Control XE, now what?
Yeah. Traditional versus journal control logs. Yeah. As another possibility.
Because, you know, this is, you know, 90% of the guys out there, you know how to do, you know, you knew how to look at traditional log files.
Um, I was never, uh… never in an environment where Anybody cared about log files.
Or had any experience with it. I was just kind of a lone wolf in that area.
So, back in the day, when I actually did that. The, uh… regular Unix-style Uh, logs.
You think about… You think about focus on specific examples, Grant, or just general?
Um, he had no idea what I was really doing.
Um, general. Um, like… Here's this thing in logs.
What does it mean? How do I… chase it down and figure it out. Is it a problem, or can I safely ignore it, type thing?
Okay.
But I… things going on, I cannot do.
A presentation.
Yeah. I'm kind of thinking that, you know, instead of a call for help kind of thing, or instead of a base thing, we could just say.
Uh, this, this, you know, this, uh… have a log file uh, session.
Well, hang on, Stan, we're talking about the lug here, right?
Maine is already… going on stage.
Well, I mean, you know, I'm just… either way, either way.
Okay.
You know?
Main style thing, but on Lug.
Yeah, wonderful.
Well, no, I don't… No, I'm just throwing out that it'd be something like base, you know?
For, you know. Um… Don't mind me, I'm… I'm confused right now.
I think Stan's trying to… Stan's trying, I think, to say that At times, he thinks some of our talks are good, but they just get… into an esoteric point.
And sometimes, it just seems like it'd be nicer to have some more basic… talks for those who aren't already experts in some field.
Yeah.
Like, what you were just talking about, Grant, I mean, heck, it's been a long time since we just did.
A talk about, okay. You know, what are certs?
Why do you need certs? How do you get certs?
Yeah.
Would that… would that be more of a lab, or more of a… talk with reference material type of thing.
I would think more of a talk with reference material. Okay.
Yeah, I think so. I mean, certificates can absolutely get off the deep end like there is no tomorrow.
But we can also do something that is the, uh… shallow end of the pool type thing.
Yeah, and then maybe if, uh… If there is something hot in the news, you know, but… Google in a particular cert.
Thing going on. That could be a nice tie-in at the end, you know? Okay, well, here's the overall picture.
Of, you know, water shirts, here's where you get them, here's why you get them.
And now, this thing in the news, you know, for the last half hour of the talk, or 15 minutes of the talk. The thing in the news the last month about, uh, Google and the new CERT problem would be this, kind of do a quick explanation of it.
That'd be one way of viewing it.
Is that something we can do for next week?
Um, I cannot put a slide… deck together. I mean, I can brainstorm with you, and I can talk.
Yeah.
Uh, but I… feel like… we would want to do something relatively… shallow dive type thing.
I don't know.
Well, I can put… I can put a slide deck together in 5 minutes if I've got the text.
All right.
You know, with, uh… I just use, uh, Reveal.js and ChatGPT.
All right, so…
And in fact, I just did one here while we're acting on, uh, Immutable OS, but… I think this is way too deep for, uh…
Alright, so let me ask this. Stan, and Gary, I'll get to you in a minute.
Stan, what is the biggest question you have regarding TLS certificates.
How do you spell it?
F-u-c-p.
Well, I like it! So, I thought that was SSL.
Well, you joke, but… I think that is… TLS, SSL, WTF.
Yeah. That's a good title.
And that… Could be a question to answer, and it's…
I like that, yeah.
Tls, SSLWTF, yeah.
Wt Lime Noise. Um…
So, yeah, that… could very easily be a question to answer.
Gary, same question to you. What's the biggest question you have about TLS or SSL?
Openssl to Modern TLS, evolution of Internet Security.
Well, OpenSSL is modern TLS.
Well, what would you call… well… before TLS.
Ssl.
Well, that's OpenSSL, right?
Openssl is an implementation that covers the gambit.
Okay. But OpenSSL has been around for 30 years because it was done by OpenBSD.
Yeah.
So, any SSL implementation. Up until, you know, the… TLS, which is still based on open, you know.
It's kind of like… it's kind of like an evolution, but it's still rooted in the OpenSSL environment, right?
Yeah. Yes, OpenSSL… is still very current and very much so supports the latest and greatest TLS, despite it having different letters in its name.
Okay. So, I can tweak it. The evolution of internet security from SSL to modern TLS.
Yep.
Uh, what SSL was, why it was replaced… Slide 3, slide 4, slide 5… I would say, you know, my first question for a talk like that would be.
Now, what is secure socket Layer? Why… Why do I care? That would kind of be where I would think most people That'll be a starting point. Slide two, what was SSL?
Okay.
Developed by Medscape… Netscape in the mid-1990s. Ssl 2.0 1995, first public version, SSL 3.096, major rewrite.
Purpose to encrypt data between client and server. Example, HTTPS.
Why was SSL depicated? Major issues, weak cryptographic primitives? Insecure protocol design, no protection against downgrade attacks.
Vulnerable to poodle obese and other attacks. Ssl 2.0 and 3.0 officially deprecated by IETF.
Ietf and loan 2011 and 15. Browsers and servers began disabling them entirely, and our TLS 1.099, based on SSL 3.0, but with cryptographic improvements.
Uh, this is…
One of the other big differences is Netscape.
Right.
Was the organization behind SSL. Through 3.0. Tls… part of the rename is it had different controlling organization. It was no longer Netscape.
They pass the baton, if you will, and I'm not sure which org has it now.
Uh, you can do markdown, right? Grant?
Yeah, I can read and deal with Markdown. I don't like it, but I can deal with it.
Why don't I dump this to you, and uh… I mean, you can do it in text editor if you want.
I said… I said, gee added up to, uh… for… to beautify it.
Yeah.
Fair enough. Sounds like, uh… Lee and I are gonna give a talk on, uh.
And then…
Basics of… or history and basics of SSL and TLS.
Sounds good. Yeah.
Is everyone aware tonight that I'm brain dead? Right now.
Is that why the cursor hasn't moved in the last 10 minutes?
Yep.
Okay. That's right.
Well, we've also been yammering, figuring it out, so…
I know.
And uh… if… if… If you still have one brain cell left, Stan.
Use that to kick me in the butt, and I'll try and contact Dave Forrest.
They've… Hasn't been to a lot of our meetings recently, I kind of suspect maybe his health is… giving them problems, uh, but Dave used to really be good.
On, uh, TSL, ELS, excuse me.
So… I just want to point out to them that we're going to have a talk on it.
Okay, I could come if he doesn't. We don't say much.
Um, it is… Very much so a deep dive.
But I manually decoded my server's TLS certificate the other day.
Yes.
Really? Okay, I see the grand finale coming.
No, no. That is very deep.
No, no, no, no.
Very, very deep. Uh, Mike… hex encoding of things, and… a lot of people in the computer and telephone industry, if you say ASN.1 or ASN1 to them, they run out of the room screaming.
I got lower than that.
Oh, you didn't get hit by AT&T and their, uh… uh, refusal to… or… Their decision to stop broadcasting routes for IP blocks they don't own, did you?
Um, I did not directly. I know a guy who's on this call that did.
And that might actually be something very good to talk about.
Yeah.
Um, and what it's going to mean for you and your business and others like it.
And that would actually be very prescient to give other people information on how to, uh.
Address it.
Well, we might want to wait until I got a solution.
As of this point, our business shuts down on July 31st.
Because AT&T won't broadcast our route anymore.
Are you going to try to originate things.
Well, uh, theoretically. Uh, I've been working on ASN for 2 weeks.
Okay.
But Aaron's a pain in the ass. If I can get an ASM, then I should be able to set up OpenSense to originate that ASN with… they have an add-in called, I believe it's Fox Romeo Romeo.
And then, theoretically, I can relay that to AT&T, Because they are the… the, uh, host of our WAN, and they will rebroadcast it as… as our As, you know, as owned by Omnitech.
Basically.
Um, have you seen anything in any of the documentation Um.
Route origin authorization or Route Public Key Infrastructure? Okay.
No.
Good, because that takes all the complexities of certificates and combines it with BGP.
Makes things that much more… problematic.
Oh, okay.
And I'll just throw this out there, I don't… to me… I see no problem outlining a, hey.
Here's a very timely problem. We have to figure this out.
More details forthcoming as we figure it out. I don't know.
Yeah, I got through to AT&T, And he said.
All you have to do is put in a ticket to switch from their… from… our net and their ASN to BGP, And I… I'm trying to ask them.
That means we… obtain an ASN, we broadcast the origin, and you relay it, and I can't find anybody who speaks that much English.
But, to their benefit, when I originally did this 4 years ago.
I talked to some guy in India at midnight our time.
And… and he understood what I was saying. You need to not broadcast this route to this IP.
And he said, fine. Test it. Ooh!
Yeah.
So, there are… there are people that don't speak good English, that know what they're doing.
Yeah, it's just a communications… locating them problem, and then a communications barrier, but the technical solution can exist.
Yeah. Uh, the only… gotcha is… I read somewhere, and I won't… I don't remember where it was.
That AT&T… refuses to originate an IP block. They orig… a few… I don't know what the difference is between us originating in ASN with our ASN, And… The distinction between us originating and AT&T rebroadcasting.
Um… the origination has some loose implications on the organization that owns and is responsible for the IP space.
Re-advertising is… somebody else, that entity.
Says they are responsible for this, I'm just carrying the package. So it's like… UPS or FedEx, or… post office delivering something they are not responsible for the contents of what they deliver.
Yeah, no, I understand that. The problem is finding somebody at AT&T that will agree with me.
Fair. Um, do we want to do a sidebar, you and I, planning on putting some things in place somewhere… as a stopgap in case things have massive problems.
So that email… doesn't fall off the earth, DNS doesn't fall off the earth.
Or fall off the internet. Um, and also temporarily a tunnel to a provider that can make this happen.
So at least… things don't just completely fall off the internet.
Well, um, I'm hoping that that might be possible, but at this point.
Trying to… I'm waiting for Aaron As in another week now.
To get off their butts and do something.
Yeah. And you're probably one of a whole bunch of people that's going through this.
Well, I'm sure.
When's the date that it's gonna go dark?
July 31 was on the email. But the email actually said, may stop broadcasting.
So, I don't know how hard a date… hard a date that is.
Yeah.
And let's see, I put this ticket in on 5-29. And it's now… Two weeks… two weeks later, and I'm still waiting on them to reply to my… from… Friday. So, I guess Friday to Monday isn't that big a deal.
So, theoretically. I have to recover the org, because… It's… I've never subscribed to Aaron's services since 1995.
So they have to go through the whole validation shit. And then, theoretically.
Yeah.
They said, I can acquire an ASN And I don't have to add services to our legacy block.
Unless I need, what is it, RKI or something like that?
Rpki? Which I don't… yeah, go ahead.
R-p-k-i, yeah. And… I think you want to avoid RPKI unless somebody says you must do it.
Right. Well, besides which, that means I have to start paying for my Class C.
Yeah.
But the one gal I was talking to on the phone, she said, well, you don't need to touch the Class C as long as your org requires an ASN, And you can originate your Class C on that ASN.
Yeah, and that makes sense. It's… literally, you have to have an ASN to originate from.
Right.
Yeah. Well, I'm sure we'll be acting about this more.
Yeah.
You know, it… it's one thing for Slug to go dark temporarily.
It's entirely different for Omnitech to go dark. And both are being threatened by AT&T's actions.
Yep.
At the very least, I can… Happy to help with DNS, email… what have you.
I don't care if it's for 18 days while figuring things out, or if it's 45 days.
Let me know if I can help. Yeah.
Thanks. All right. Okay, I sent you that presentation.
Okay.
Uh… it's like 11 slides, I'm sure you can… we can add and whatever.
Uh, you know, to take me 5 minutes to make this into a slide deck.
Okay. Fair enough.
So, if we can get the content there. Maybe figure out some ways to, uh.
Add some interesting demos or something, and we'll have some… we'll have it for next week. Cool!
Stan has to present it.
So, for a title. Would say… Well, we would say, ouch, that's what we're gonna say for a title, yes.
Um…
Oh, right there. Oh, okay. The evolution of internet security from SSL to modern TLS.
Sure. Um, I would probably put an overview, or some… like, add overview, or something to indicate it's high-level And it's not… or, like, 101 or something in there.
But we can figure that out.
Uh, yeah, for modern… for modern security from SSL to modern TLS, as applied to folks managing email and websites or something like that.
Yeah. I just want to differentiate and make sure people know it's not a very deep math, or… hexadecimal, or… you know, we may show something on screen as a background, but that's not… the content, it's… This keeps somebody from seeing your password as you're logging into a website.
Is the level where I think we're targeting.
Yeah, you're right, we need something a little… broader than a subtitle to be a good, uh… a good teaser, good abstract to tell people what to expect.
How would you explain SSL or TLS to your parents?
First thing I would remind them is the fact that I flunked spelling in third grade, and I never got past R, so I can't spell anything with an S or a T.
Alright, here's the intro slide, why it matters. Every time you visit a secure website, yada yada yada.
Uh, this talk will cover what SSL and TLS are, why SSL had to be replaced.
Okay.
How TLS keeps our data safe today.
Sure.
Stan, you got all that to regurgitate and put as a summary?
You betcha. I'll just ask… go over and ask Anonymous coward what he thinks about all this.
Dollar sign, open curly bracket, TLS, close curly bracket.
It is suggested that the reader typed in Google SSL.
Or, let me Google that for you.
Hmm.
I don't know, I've been… I've been using ChatGPT 10, 15, 20 times a day, and… Uh-huh.
I love it. Now, he's not an expert. But it gives me a sounding board, and I can tell them.
Hey, dumb shit, this, that, and the other, and he'll fix it.
And it'll change it. He'll even call me a butthead.
They don't even call you about them? Yeah. Like I have a butthead, he'll call me a butthead.
All right, we were…
Anyway, let's… If you would, send me that slide deck, too, so that I can… Like, make something that… Okay, this sounds like a great idea. Thank you, sir, for… Yeah, thanks, thanks, Grant. I'm gonna… I'm gonna get more out of it than anybody else, because I learned some of the shit that I've been butting my head against for the last couple years.
Yeah. Um… And for some reason.
The idea of a newspaper column comes to mind of… dealing with this, ask your questions to the person type thing, and… I don't know. In the TLS corner.
Are we ready to move on to new Linux, or…? Steer comb.
Yes, I think so.
Stan, I think where you were, just get the… capital C, TLS and hit escape.
Hit escape.
Like that.
Sure. Okay, um… Do you want somebody else to take over for a new Linux, or…?
We ready to do anything else? What's left? For tonight.
I don't know. My brain keeps coming and going. It really does.
So the new Linux…
There's nothing special about the date. I mean, we're not changing dates or times or anything like that, right?
Nope.
At least, probably, it's… pretty well just stock standard, what we got there.
And Luis was… This meeting originally scheduled for last week, and it got pushed for various reasons.
Yes, it was.
Okay. I had been playing with a calendar reminder system And I thought it was supposed to be last week, and then I saw the emails, and then I saw for tonight, and it's like.
Am I completely off my rocker?
Nope.
It was, and it basically came down to… I was dorking around at the hospital with a family member and staying had some other obligations on his calendar, and then he wasn't feeling well, so… We figured we'd just let it slide.
Fair enough.
Alright.
And next year comes gonna be on 30 June.
Like, talking…
Of course, I haven't asked you the question. Is the best way to save the human race, remove the human race?
Okay, so do we have a problem? Any problem with doing a steer column on 30 June that anybody can see?
When is 30? July 4th comes up shortly afterwards, it's always a… potential butt-biter.
We're gonna be out for the weekend, but we… 30 works for us, okay.
Yeah, I think that… I mean, July 4th is the Friday of that week, so I don't think anybody would have a problem with Monday.
I mean, somebody could be on vacation, but… If you're not, then no problem.
I'm gonna…
Well… vacation would be a perfect time to see some of your smiling faces.
Turn your camera on, Lee.
Uh, hang on, I gotta find the screen.
I say that with my camera off. And I can't turn mine on at the moment.
Yep, I gotta point it at Gary, so… I'm not very centered.
Can you turn yours on, too.
Why ain't being fussy? There we go. Which one do you like?
Oh, there we go. There you go. That looks properly ethereal.
Okay, let's see, we're… yeah, I'm right over the dot, over the sun.
Whoever thunk my head would block to something? All right, Stan, how you doing?
I think we're… we've decided we're good with the September 30th date.
I'm alive, and that's about it. I, you know, I don't…
June 30th, or June 30th, excuse me, for the stair count. So, moving on…
I had to go find a shirt after doing yard work outside.
Did we really want to do any old business?
I don't think we have any, do we?
I don't think so. Nothing.
It doesn't changed.
There, we probably should point out that we already have the speaker And topic set for the, uh… July 9.
General meeting.
What?
We've got Sean… He's gonna do a presentation on July 9th, Ansible.
Was actually doing two presentations. He's doing… Ansible 101.
And then he's doing, uh… Ansible poll, I believe it's called.
Yeah, that's right.
Ask for what code? Cool.
Full. Is it the opposite of push. Um, if I may, I will share my screen.
I misspoke earlier when I said that he had sent the abstracts to Editor.
He actually has sent the abstracts to the STIRCOM mailing list.
But I can pull them up on my screen here right away and just show…
Sure you can.
Peter is laboriously thinking about it.
Yeah, we're working at it. Hey, I should say, my computer's working at it.
Yeah, Gary, go ahead, share your screen, Gary.
I just get the camera off Lee's desk and point it at your computer screen.
Yes, yes. Well, then I go, there he is.
My computer's… Where's your sleigh? I don't even see Rudolph. Yes, yes.
Okay, well, my computer is still thinking about sending the, uh.
Uh, this could be sharing my screen, so rather than boring you all with the continuing wait for this, uh, believe me Uh, that if you look in your email, there is a, uh… a copy of these, uh, abstracts. I will be putting them out on, uh.
On a calendar.
I might be able to find and share.
All right, moving on. I will unshare my screen.
I think you're gonna uncrash your computer.
Yeah. Well, I never did see a share. Did you get it to share?
Not that it acknowledges here. I mean, I clicked on it, but it never seems to have done it.
Or maybe you ought to have a… maybe it might take a real computer.
Did… did you go down to the lower right-hand corner and click on the thing there? You gotta… do two buttons.
Yeah, don't forget he's on his Chromebook POS.
Oh, crap.
And his browser's, like, 4 years old. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, this has… this is past its expiration date.
The milk is smelling a little bit ripe.
Got lumps in it.
We've gone from milk to cottage cheese to… Monster 2!
What's the one that really sticks? Limber. Limber. All right, getting back to the agenda.
Am I successfully sharing? My screen with, uh… Okay.
Looks like it. Hello, Gary. Sorry to hear about your… family members going into hospice.
Thank you, sir.
Yes, you were sharing.
So, yeah. You have the, uh… outlines.
There you go. Thank you, sir.
Team effort, Gary. You're welcome.
Guys, I'm gonna have to bail. I'm in no shape to set up.
Alrighty. Yeah, Stan. Thank you, sir. No worries, thanks for coming.
Get to feeling better. Um, do we need to do anything else, or do we want to just… knock off, uh, anonymous coward and call it, and… But stay and go to bed.
Uh, let's see, um… Stan, what's anonymous car do if, when I kill the session?
Do you have to stop it, or will it stop?
It'll keep, uh… systems, screen recorder will keep going, and I'll wind up with a file that says 28GB size.
If I look at it the next morning.
Well. Yeah. Yeah.
Now, you record… you are recording with Zoom. That's… that's still gone, so…
Okay. Yeah.
Kill anonymous coward, and then go, uh, pass out, Stan. Yep.
Okay, I'm going to. Thank you. I just, uh… Oh, gosh, I don't know.
Hi, Stan, hope you feel better. Yeah, get better.
I can't even remember what I'm supposed to do. Oh, that button over there, leave.
All right, so who's… who's doing notes? Grant, you can do notes? You want me to?
Let me get… to it. Um, okay, let me find the section…
So…
Right, trying to get… okay, so old business, did we have anything to add there?
I don't think so. Up on the screen.
Okay, uh, so… Pardon?
Sure. You can put it up on the screen.
Oh, okay, yeah, give me a minute. Uh, rearrange things, and sure.
Whoa! That is right into the camera.
It's my glowing personality, yeah.
So, Lee's head… blocks the sunlight, Barry's head IS the sunlight.
So does that mean Gary is standing in front, or Lee is standing in front of Gary?
Okay… Why do you put this bar that covers things on the screen I'm sharing?
Alright, does that work?
Yeah. All I need my sunglasses. But then again, that's… if that's the way you like to work, I'll live with it.
Yeah. I find as I get older. Um, other than terminal work.
But reading things, white on black, actually, my eyes have problems with it.
I'm the other way around. The older I get, the more the white bothers me.
Maybe it's going in a phase, I don't know. Uh, Bach upgrade, no update… Actually, should I put… in here…
Oh, boy. Uh, finding things in here is going to be a pain.
No, no, it's just, you go back up, and then go to the section you were looking at, and then hit the edit for that section.
I thought I did. Uh… Cancel. Okay.
Is it back. Yeah. It's cool.
So, oh, this edit? All right.
Right. And I don't… you don't… you don't want to edit the page, you want to edit… Hang on. There's normally… scroll down.
Nope.
Yeah, see the little edit buttons that aren't on the edge?
Little edit button there. Keep going down to where you want, and then hit the edit button under the section you want to edit.
Yep.
They'll just give you that section.
Okay. Yeah, I thought I had done it, well, to the section above.
But maybe not. So, I will try this meeting schedules 220…
Yes, if you want to change server admin, hit the edit button right there.
Yeah, well, he hit the edit button there, and that should put you right in that section.
So, old business… server admin… So you… Well, I was just… where it's got the question mark, I was just gonna add, um…
And then scroll down… There you go.
Okay.
And then hit the save under… yeah. And I'll put you back in it.
Eat, lock, upgrade, no change…
Let's include maintenance…
I'm gonna add that Grant is trying to find time to finish the Redirects…
Any other comments for the website?
Nope, I guess not.
Okay.
Uploading presentations, having a change in 5 years, or… Evermore.
Is that wrong? Okay.
What are you laughing at? No, it's not.
Okay, uh… I felt obliged to put Meetup Sucks for Stan.
I miss that one, it's funny.
Uh, anything for Meetup?
He said, okay.
Any comment?
No change. Well, except, you know, no change except meetup sucks, as it usually does.
Of course, Gary's a masochist, that's why he likes it. Hey, I mean, occasionally we get new blood, yeah.
Yeah, we've got, what, maybe 5 out of 1,000 over the last 15 years? Yeah.
Still something. It takes you, like, 20 hours a month to play with it? Oh, yeah, it's a pain in the butt to play with.
Um…
Sorry, go ahead, Grant.
Is it worth adding a comment to internet presence? Or while that's on other social media?
Um. So there's no change for social media.
Is it worth adding a comment anywhere about the AT&T change impacting Omnitech?
Uh… I don't think anybody would know… would… would comprehend it.
Unless you spelled it out, and that'd take half an hour or so.
Um.
Probably not.
I feel like something should be said, and I don't know if it would go in this section or if it would be new business.
Uh… well, we could put a comment under Server Admin.
Yeah, I like it.
I'm going to suggest that the new business, because server admin is busy enough with just trying to do the, uh… the upgrades. Okay.
Yeah.
We're at, I think, just a one-line comment. New business that, hey, the AT&T change could be a danger.
Looking into it.
That's spelled correctly, Lee?
Yep. You know where it came from?
You ever seen first Monday in October? About 30 years ago?
Where? No.
And I beat… I missed… Omnitech.com by 3 months.
Because Stephen Cohen grabbed it 3 months before I grabbed Omnitech.net back in 95.
Oof.
But then he got his butt in a sling, he… and he had to leave the country.
Because they started charging them with all kinds of pornography and stuff on Omnitech.com. Oh, shit!
But he's been paying the domain name, I've been watching it for 30 years, but I don't care anymore.
So, if you had it, you would get the Omnitech.com and redirect it to Omnitech.net now?
I don't even know if there's any value in Omnitech.com to me.
Fair enough.
But he does now have a great porn library. That was all online.
Don't host it yourself. Um, any comments for announced mailing list?
No, most of that stuff… Stannis goes back and… Puts none after it. Yeah.
Yeah.
Cameras, projectors, I don't even know what they are.
Yeah. No change on that.
Uh, part of me wonders if… perhaps… actually write it off.
Well, I mean, we do have two cameras. And we know where the projectors are. The projector is… actually, Stan's got this Luke projector, and I've got mine, which I bought at the same time.
Yeah, so I wouldn't remove it just because it's kind of our tracking for that information, but… There's no changes.
Fair enough.
That's a stand thing.
Uh, okay, attendance database… Okay. I'm gonna leave it as question mark for him to… Back to… Okay.
Yeah. I don't even schedule that's a damn thing, too. Hand-nouncer Stan thing.
Alright. Organizational papers. Scary thing.
Organizational papers are a Gary thing. They're still sitting there, in the box.
Essence about it yet?
Work for you? Stan may go, what the hell?
Survey.
Well, that's what he gets for getting sick.
Uh, I was gonna say, the cat is away, so the mice are plaguing.
Anything for sponsorship?
No, nothing new. Hey, maybe… Yeah, that would be… I'd say maybe we need to clone Steve.
If we had two of him, we'd cover our expenses for a year. Oh, yeah, yeah, uh-huh, yeah.
Let's give some thought before we put that into print. Yeah, really.
Right. So, we have the… comment about AT&T BGP change.
Okay, I do have a… I do have a new thing to put in. I don't quite know how to date this.
Omnitech needs to update config. Uh, so new business and something…
The date in question is January the 20th, 7 months from now.
Uh, so this coming January the 20th. It will be the 140th anniversary of the company, which is now known as Unisys.
And it started in downtown St. Louis. Uh, that's where Burroughs started making an adding machine.
It's kind of a… Uh, 20th.
January 30th, you said? 20th.
I don't know why he moved to St. Louis, I think maybe… I read it somewhere, but the, uh… As a young man, he had worked in, uh.
Banks, and uh… Uh, back in those days, there was no such thing as adding machines, so basically.
Bankers had to sit there with pencil and paper and add numbers all day, and hopefully they all balanced by the end of the day.
Never did. And he had this wild, crazy idea. He quit working at the bank, he went to work at a machine shop in downtown St. Louis.
And, uh, decided he was going to tinker with gears and try and make some sort of computational device. He eventually made an adding machine, got a patent on it.
It was a very successful company, and uh… Later, they made typewriters, and eventually.
In the age of computers, they bought Pasadena's Electrolux. Computer line, and that became Burrows Computers.
Because the… Because the Abing machine You know, was built to serve as bankers.
And so Burroughs computers immediately became the favorite computer at banks. They dominated that industry for a long time.
Is what I have there correct?
Yes, uh-huh. Yeah. So, my… the reason why I'm bringing it up is I don't know. We could make an effort and alert some of the people in the city of St. Louis, AK… this is a… should be a big thing for St. Louis.
Yeah.
There was a UNISYS office in, uh… what's the name of the… incubator on Washington Avenue. T-rex.
T-rex, yeah. They used to have an office in T-Rex, and uh… The last time I was there, it was the beginning of COVID.
Uh, but I tried looking them up and calling them, and… The office has been closed.
Um, the office, as I understood it, was primarily to service government contracts. I don't know how that's being done now.
But, uh… but anyway, uh, this is then, like. 7 months notice. Do you know how you spell it?
Although now they're known as Unisys instead of Burroughs.
Didn't Unisys include… absorb Sperry Rand.
Yes, it did.
And Sperry and Rand were… separate companies. Weren't they one of the… were each a, uh… one of the seven dwarves when it was… Snow White and Seven Dwarves, and IBM.
Yep. Yep, yep. Cool.
Burroughs is still alive. Unish has divested its payment systems division, which became Burrows, based in Plymouth, Michigan, in 2010.
Interesting.
Absorbidly. Actually, I… Never heard a phrased that way. Unisys… basically formed.
I'm sorry, Burroughs, basically. But, UNIVAC.
And change the company name in the merger. Well, so, UNIVAC and Burroughs became Unisys. Yeah, okay.
Well, anyway, it might be inter… to tell you the truth, I've lost track. One of the guys who originally founded Slug.
Uh, Ed, the guy who worked at, uh. Sunland Corporation, if you remember him, Lee.
Which had, um… blank under the last name. The other one I know is Ed Holland.
Yeah, different, Ed. Yeah, that's what's on. Anyway, he only… he lives, like, 3 blocks away from me, and Shrewsbury, so… But he used to work at Sona, and they used to have a un… Unisys machine, and… Obviously, we're interested in Unix back in those days.
But I don't know, I haven't really followed what Unisys is doing with Unix these days.
So, uh, so anyway, we've got 7 months, basically, to see if anybody in the city of St. Louis gives a damn.
Uh, or if anybody at UNICEF gives a damn. And if nobody else gives a damn, maybe we just… They say, hey, there was a birthday.
And let it go. But otherwise, maybe somebody wants to turn this into a big presentation.
We'll see. So… so I'm just throwing it out there. Hey, if there's nothing else, we can go get pizza again. Yeah.
Yeah, um, the other thing would be, um, ask… Is it Scott?
If he has, uh… in all his history stuff, if he… could do something on… boroughs slash Unisys.
Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Because I'm sure he's glossed over a lot for them. And, you know, giving him more than 6 months to prepare a talk.
Actually, I know a guy who's good at coordinating things. Let me tap him on the shoulder.
Um, Lee, will you reach over and tap Gary on the shoulder?
Oh, oh, oh!
Thank you.
Okay.
Anyway, so that's what… what's percolating in the back of my mind. I don't have any further details yet, but… It's a… it's a 7-month warning. We don't get very many 7-month warnings, so… I keep trying to scroll down, but my scroll wheel doesn't work.
Um, you know, something we might consider… adding to some of our presentations.
Would be a countdown to the, uh. Uh, what is it?
2038. 32-bit epoch time counter rollover.
There we go, yeah. That goes… I should go on the website.
I can't plan what's going on next week. Much less 13 years in the future.
Creating a new business. Yeah, sure. And it is 2038, right?
I think that sounds right to me, huh?
Okay? And it's just do things, post it out…
Oh, you're in the recurring… that recurring requirements section? Okay, where are we? We're in June.
Yep. Mm-hmm.
First off, let's look back at May. Did we miss anything in May that we should have? Down, down.
Down, down. Scroll down. Stop.
High latency.
Yeah, Bloods and Crypt renew, Arts Auto, automatic. Yeah, okay. Okay, June stuff?
Buddy Ennis, Count Dew, it's automated, renewed. Missouri legal… due in 2024, so… Yeah, it's due in 2026. I was gonna say, we're either a year late, or we're good. I checked.
We're good. Okay. And, uh… Yeah, just change that to 26.
I was gonna, um…
Next one's due.
I keep wanting to put my cursor over. Can you keep it up?
Want me to put it down at the… like, things that have been completed, move them down.
To the bottom, so the calendar… Okay.
No, because then they wouldn't be in date order. Uh, if… if we do anything, we just need to… flag them if they haven't been completed, but we look at them every month, yeah.
And so you want this to be… 26.
Yeah, right. And then usually… No, no, no, no, not that.
Next line over on the right is not due 2024, it's due 2026.
Down. I'm pointing at it, but you can't see my pointer.
Okay. Uh…
There you go. Yeah. When we get near the end of the calendar year, a month or two before.
We just take all the months and… you know, move them all into the next year.
And that way we know what recurring things are about to bite us in the ass.
Gotcha.
Okay, so, uh, last thing was automate Let's Encrypt. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, so it's all covered up.
In July… Uh, something is due in June.
Oh, done in June. Uh, slew.org account. In 2025, we do the post office box for a year.
Not a month, not 6 months. Okay. Okay, we should be good for another month.
If Lee would scroll down…
I keep trying, you hear my… my scroll wheel? No. To help.
I can't hear it. Um… Any comments?
Now you can see it.
I have to look at the screen to pay attention to it. Any comments for here?
2 years. No. I wouldn't think so.
Alrighty.
Here's your history.
Unisys was formed in 1986. From the merger of Burroughs and Sperry.
Global IT services company.
I have no idea when they close the St. Louis office. I presume it… You know, it's one of these things in COVID, as people stop going into the office, they say, why the hell do we need an office in St. Louis?
I have an uncle who used to work for Unisys, and I… he used to be based out of the St. Louis office.
But I feel like that stopped for COVID.
Um… anyone to recognize, or any blue sky comments?
Hang on. Borough's original prisons in St. Louis came with the founding of the American… erythrometer company in 1886.
Is located in a machine shop at 21st and Washington Street, and served as both manufacturing and corporate offices.
And in 1904, They said, fuck you, St. Louis, and moved to Detroit. Moved to Detroit.
And if you look on the… slug calendar at, uh… the, uh… January 20th date.
Basically everything that Lee just pulled up is already on our calendar.
That, uh, address they give. Had me, uh, a little flummoxed, because one of the streets I think what's it say? Wash Street.
Wall Street no longer exists in St. Louis. Oh, I thought I was just misspelling Washington. That's one of the conjectures, is it an abbreviation, or there was apparently a Wall Street that changed its name.
Apparently.
Um, so I… I… for locations. It was either between… The Stan Musial Bridge and the, uh… casino?
Or, it's in the parking lot of, uh. What's now KDNL Television. Wall Street was actually Washington Street.
Two-story building, 21st and Washing Streets in St. Louis.
The first place he goes is Facebook.
The hell is it?
That's not bad. Where is it, though? Grant, you're not seeing the map we're looking at, are you?
No, I'm not.
Hang on a second. Values.
If I just share my screen, we're looking at the map.
No, I'm seeing you.
Uh, I see you.
What are you seeing now? Well, fuck me.
Uh, your avatar.
Stop share. Share… Desktop 2…
Ah, there's a map.
There you go. Yeah. Yeah. I can't find Wall Street.
Well, it sounds like…
Washing. It's… it's washing…
Well, this isn't… this isn't an old map. It's got Metrolink stations on it. Fair.
Gonna look at one another.
Uh, dare I say, it sounds like somebody needs to go to a library and look at a paper map from 50 to 100 years ago.
From the left.
And that thought occurs to me, and before, uh. Before we spend a lot of time doing it, that's why I'm suggesting, you know, we slap somebody in the city or some government installation and say, you know, hey.
If you want us to celebrate this birthday, uh… Perhaps you could… Bob, it'll look it up for us.
Yeah, I mean… How would you find something like that on the map?
Um.
Oh, wow. I quit. I'm flipping over to the date here, let me pull it up, because I did… transfer some of the stuff that I learned And, uh.
One way of tracing it was by, uh. Books that talked about where companies were back in those days.
So there is some references that… That I stumbled on.
I'm pulling it up on the…
I tell you, Google has gone… down the dumps.
Oh, yeah.
Okay. So, here's one reference that says that it was originally found at 2444 Dixon Street.
The area around 21st and Washington fell within what is now known as the Lucas Avenue Industrial Historic District.
Bounded by Washington, Del Mar, 20th, and 21st.
So was it a short street in a small area, and like a… multi-block thing was… plopped on top of it?
I got a better idea. Read it yourself.
By the way, that 1986 merger was $4.8 billion. It was the largest computer industry merger at that time, and made Unisys the second largest computer company in the world.
So I… if we do a presentation. For, uh, Unisys, we need to get an old map and put a virtual pin on it that is the location.
Yeah, yeah. The very end of the calendar article.
On, uh, in the salute calendar on January the 20th. Uh, I put in… if anyone knows where the Boyer Machine Shop was located, send this information to editor at slube.org.
In 1893, It's reported at 20th and Wash Street.
And then I've got, can anyone locate Wall Street?
The 2444 Dixon account, for some reason I have, says it's 5 blocks south of the San Museo Bridge.
And a little bit north of the casino. Each bridge, so where's Washington?
R, square…
The publications where that stuff? The locations and stuff were found was the… University of Michigan Engineering Library.
And they had, uh… books called Iron and Machine World. It was in Volume 84.
Car, so it's… Franklin, which is Del Mar now.
Predicts Washington. Oh, there's Washington, okay.
Washington's by the Public Library. So it's right out here somewhere. Mm-hmm.
That's if Wall Street is just a misspelling of Washington. No, it's not. It was… it was a street. North-south Street existed in the 19th century St. Louis, intersecting with East-West Avenues like 21st Street.
Bounded by Washington, Del Mar, 20th, and 21st. Okay.
Did you see that too, Grant?
Yeah, I see that. Um, Wikipedia article has a picture, um… American arithmometer?
Company. I can't see the street names on it, but… the caption below it is 2100… Wash Street.
Uh, or wash. St. Louis prior to 1905.
Yeah, because they vacated the building in 1904, so…
All right, what else we got to do? I think that's it.
Where you do a bookend? Bookend. This has been the steering committee meeting on… uh… June the… 10? Is that correct?
Nice, nice. June the 9th, 2025. Uh, we are doing the steering committee meeting one week later than usual, because… A couple of us have scheduling problems for last week, so… Thank you for coming. Good night.