Sure.
That's… That sounded painful.
Are we gonna call a meeting the order and start stuff, or are we just gonna…
Alrighty, um… Let's see, I guess, uh, the recording started?
Yeah?
All right. Okay, well, this is, uh, Wednesday, September the 3rd.
Uh, this is our month… This meeting is being recorded. Yeah, we know.
Uh, this is our monthly steering committee meeting, uh, basically organizing the month of September and beyond.
Um, so thank you all for coming, and we are being recorded.
I'm still getting my machine to behave properly here, so… Uh, Stan, what's, uh, what's that first order on the agenda?
Uh, the Treasury's Report. I will act as a recording secretary only.
And I…
We haven't spent any money. I will get the actual numbers in here after a while.
Calendar report. I got a, uh… The Outdoor 386.
As usual, you know, down a little bit. But I think I might have… Or no, no, that's a calendar event.
Stuff we… we put in. Uh, Gary, have you done a lot of work on a calendar lately, or not?
Just a little bit. Tried to get rid of some of the old entries.
If you've got to replace an accomplice to help you. Do anything with the calendar?
No, not yet. I mean, uh, what's the… face, uh… Oh…
Who remembered his name, Stan? Um… Why am I blanked?
Rudy?
Uh, yeah, yeah. So, he volunteered a couple years ago.
I was hoping to clean it up enough to kind of, you know, make it.
I kept telling you, you don't clean it up, you teach him how to clean it up.
Okay. Yeah, you're right.
So I'm not bidding. Damn it.
That's the purpose of having somebody else do the work. So they know how to do it.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Then you don't have to do all of it. He liked a little old lady that cleans the house before the house cleaner comes.
Yeah, yep, yep, yep.
Crap. And these are the attendance figures, or the email figures, uh, no.
Uh, email figures, yeah. Meetup has gone up, as usual.
And of course, uh, you know, just about… maybe 4 out of 20 names that are…
Real people, we can't really tell. Uh, one guy that attended a meeting, and the next day, he actually signed up on the announce.
Of course. And discuss in the other emails of numbers, counts have stayed the same.
And then the attendance report. Got those numbers in.
Uh, SteerCom was last… SteerCom was 5, uh… Slack meeting was 10, Slug meeting was 19.
17 for St. Louis Linux, and… 12 of the new Linux meeting.
Review comments. Steercomm… Uh, nothing really special about the last meeting, I don't think, was there?
I don't think…
I don't recall anything special.
Yeah. Anyway, the SWAC meeting, uh, was the usual. Suspects showed up, and one knew.
Experience, uh, attendee. And he found us through Meetup.
And he was really pleased with the calendar. And uh… I hope he gets to come back.
You know, we went… spent a lot of time going through.
You know, what the different meetings were and everything like that.
Nothing else to say. Slug meeting, August, uh, various strictly Lambert carried the show.
I was having, uh, significant problems with my connectivity. I had planned to do some.
The keyboard karaoke thing, but it went short, but that was okay.
Uh, I was concerned it was a little too short, and, well, you know, it went about 15-20 minutes at most, and… And we jumped right into… the main… a little bit earlier than usual.
Uh, but it went long, so whatever. Anybody else have anything to say about that?
Uh… can I kick Steve off the system?
Hello, Robin.
All right. God.
I'm already muted them, don't worry about it. I have to admit, I don't remember anything specific from Keyboard Karaoke that night.
Gotta go back and listen to the recording, I guess.
Well, Lee did a little thing, a couple little things, I, uh… Lee, what'd you do? I don't remember.
Either.
Uh, one of them was our website, uh, command line website monitor tool.
Updo, or something like that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, that was kind of slick. Yeah. Anyway, that, you know, and we, you know, the whole purpose of that kind of meeting was to.
Get other people to volunteer, but. Since which I couldn't, uh, reliably connect, I…
I kind of just… didn't do anything, and… I think there were a couple of questions.
Not many, but then we just jumped right into. Doing the main, which is, uh, Andrew Denner's thing on the local LMMs.
Local AI crap. And, uh… As I said, it…
Because of the base going short.
Take him a lot more time. And I thought there was a lot of, uh…
Even, uh, Andrew… said that he got, uh, some ideas, and…
From the questions.
For improving.
That the, uh, slides.
Ever asked. Anybody else have a comment?
I think it is, it's still very current. I. Let's face, in the last year and a half, two years.
Everybody just keeps talking about. Ai.
It seems like there's actually a. Layoffs in, uh, in the IT industry, you know?
You don't need coders anymore, they're just depending on the AI to do it for them, so…
Yeah, but have you seen there's a new, uh… form of coder that says, yeah, I'll come in behind your AI vibe-coded stuff and fix it for you.
Yeah. A lot of contract work there.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I thought it was a good presentation. Covered a lot of stuff, and…
It's actually more fun to make the AI do it. I call him a dipshit all the time.
Hey, dipshit, you fucked this up, fix it.
Or I, rather.
Like that. My fingers don't like AI.
Middle finger.
How's that? Anything else? Garrett, what'd you say, Gary?
I think you got it there, that's good.
All right. Yeah.
Um, where you have CRUDs stand. The emerging term I'm seeing is slop.
Yeah, better, better term, I've heard it too. Yeah, it is. I couldn't think of anything other than crud. Slop is a better term.
The act… Is that an acronym for anything?
Um, unknown…
We could make one.
Burial language optimized programming.
Now, uh, shit left on… program. Whatever.
Shit. That's an obvious problem.
Yeah. Shit… shit left, uh, obvious problem.
Yep. Anything else to say here?
Oh, you did say you thought… Uh…
I thought it was good. I thought, uh…
I mean, that stuff is just so new that it's just good to learn stuff about it.
Well covered, right?
I checked on the pawpaws, they're really bad this year. Likely due to dry weather and.
Being warm and everything.
Oh, well. St. Louis Linux, uh… Presentation. Logical Volume Manager by Steve Lemberg.
Pretty good pre…
I don't… I don't remember a lot from it, but I thought it was really, uh, brought up a bunch of things that.
That, uh, I hadn't thought of before.
Lvm is… a concept.
Yeah.
It's not that… It's a difficult concept. It is just…
Different. Kind of going between manual and automatic transmission. They're… different.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
But once you wrap your head around it. You can do a lot of things.
I thought what Steve presented made a lot of sense, and I was… it kind of helped, but.
Dang, I can't remember. I plan on going back and listening to it 2 or 3 times. Maybe it'll… it'll… Help me understand it.
Because, um… Well, originally, we did a presentation a couple of years back.
Um, I think…
Well, a number of years back, when we were still at, uh, face-to-face.
I helped, uh, Jeff Muse put something together. And, you know, I kept feeding them stuff and made really good slides.
Out of stuff that, you know, that otherwise it would have made no sense at all. I, you know, I helped it make.
Make his presentation slides quite logical in the sequence and all that kind of stuff.
But, even though it… it… I thought it turned out really well.
It's not like I could retain anything that made any… that I could use it with, you know, at the drop of a hat.
Kind of thing. Yep. Constantly.
Well, you kind of have to use it. Um.
Because if you don't… yeah.
I don't know about that. Um… I think… he had some very good…
Content… I think…
He was probably targeting. A more advanced…
Representation. Than I probably would have for it.
Um, like, some of what he was doing with his… kernel and various things, and going across, yes, you can absolutely do that.
Yeah.
Um… But I feel like… That is not what most…
People who are not using LVM? That is not the use case that's going to get them.
To start using LVM.
Uh… make it…
You could probably summarize it. As dollar sign, professional underscore differences.
Yeah…
That you're saying gray thought, I think he wanted to say Grant.
True.
Where'd I get gray?
I saw Gary…
Uh…
Didn't make it, uh…
That's a bad sentence, but it's kind of… Going down that plot.
Did… did make a… his presentation wasn't appealing to… very appealing to non-users.
That's… that's better. I… Presentation was not…
Appealing to non-users. You didn't…
Um… I think that's got more negative than I would normally.
Go for it. Um…
Yeah, okay.
You might say presentation… It's not welcoming to LVM.
Novices.
Do what? Novices?
Lvm analysis.
Is that it? Okay.
Sure.
Anything else? Gary?
Lee? Okay.
Looks good to me. Well, I would ask, can you go…
Steve? Sure.
You can scroll up about 20 lines.
What do you want? You want to talk about pawpaws?
Um… Down to where it says, uh, synopsis.
We're down about 6 lines or so. A little bit further.
Give me a number.
5.30.
Okay. Okay, so we've got… Past 5.30.
I know, I just wanted to see, you know, you were paying attention.
You know, you take your shoes off to get here?
Now I count to 30, you know, I need all those toes.
What do you want here?
Go up to 530.
My screen to get down there. Okay, there we go. Okay, so, uh…
Synopsis? No. Abstract? No. Biono?
I don't change it unless, you know, I don't always change it, Gary. Picky, picky, picky.
Okay.
Jesus Christ. Well, he didn't give any new changes, you know?
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
And I put the link on the damn page, and if he bothers to look at the links on the page, he might… say, oh, golly, that abstract needs to be updated.
I don't get any positive input on this stuff. From the… from the speakers.
And you have to, you know, you have to get stuff… you have to pull teeth from them, right?
Yeah, yeah, mm-hmm.
So… So what do you want? You want me to put yes here?
Bio, yes. Okay, I'll do that. I'm not proud.
Yeah, I'll be…
The previous or something.
If you want to say unchanged for the bio, I don't think you put anything new on there, but yeah, we got an abstract from them, so…
Whatever.
I could write a paragraph here if you want.
Did he give us an abstract?
Yeah, you did? How you doing?
I think he just pointed us to the slides. Right?
Uh, but there… there was an abstract, I remember there was.
Oh, okay. Usually, the abstract we wind up with is a year's summation of the discussion you have.
With the presenter. Yes.
Frequently, yes.
And sometimes the… offered abstract makes no sense.
Or it's after the presentation is done, looking back at it, is totally irrelevant.
Often. Now what?
All right. I guess, moving on.
Okay.
New lug.
Um… Usual suspects, one new experienced attendee, um…
Spent a lot of time covering the website pages and going over my.
Pages that suggest videos. I've got a whole bunch of… that the, uh… if you… some of you who may remember, I used to…
Put together a thumb drive with videos on it, and at those meetings, I'd.
Either hand them out or loan them to somebody, and they download it.
Onto their thing and whatever. A lot of… Now, what I've been doing is, since…
Yeah.
I'm not doing face-to-face anymore, and… Uh, there are a few people I have given this, you know, I've emailed, or not emailed, I've… U.S. Postal.
Sent them the thumb drives and things like that. But that's expensive.
And I don't always get them back or get any reimbursement for that, and I don't always ask for it.
And uh… you know, it'd be nice if I got some money for it, because.
Yeah, you know, if I send two thumb drives, it costs 10 bucks now at the U.S. Post Office.
You know, insane. So, uh, what I've been doing is I've been…
Building those pages to just referring people to it. And they're my suggested videos. A lot of them are… they're on YouTube, but the YouTube, uh…
Uh, what do you call it? Uh, mechanism. Makes it hard to find… you don't find a lot of that good stuff anymore.
You find stuff that's a lot of clickbait. And, uh.
It's like, well, whatever. And some of the, uh… Some of the videos are just, I think, are really better than others, you know, they're just…
Unless you know the exact title. And time on it. You can't find the damn thing.
And what I do is I… I try to put the date that it was uploaded.
So you have a relative idea of how current this stuff is, and I'm just rambling on about these things. Does anybody care?
Have any questions? Okay.
You're fine, it's germane.
And uh… I mean, I could write 47 lines here, but that's… No point in it.
Kind of in that vein, I think I sent you a note, Stan.
I don't think.
Um, Sam had asked. If it'd be a… we get a speaker on, uh…
What was the proper term, Stan, when… When some family member passes away, and how do you…
A survivor thing.
Super.
Survivor thing, yeah, you know, how do you get into his computer? How do you… organize all of his remaining stuff online.
So, as it happened, there was a… show on Channel 9.
Uh, which I later found out apparently is available in YouTube.
Uh, but I haven't gone out on YouTube and looked at it yet, but it was a… a guy, he's a financial guy, not a techie.
Uh, but basically… he was talking about, from a financial aspect, it's like, yeah, when, you know, everything Stan was just saying, you know, it's like.
Yeah, how do you clean up when, you know, a parent or a loved one passes away, or is about to pass away?
Yeah.
Uh, so it had a lot of… good, interesting suggestions of how things should be arranged, and…
Preserved.
Yeah, and somebody's got a great uncle, Edward, that's got all kinds of Bitcoin.
Mm-hmm.
And he passes away. You know, eh, you know… He doesn't necessarily give great detail in a will, if he's even got one, on how to get to that stuff, and who to give it to.
Uh-huh.
And you did mention, too, that this guy in the financial advisor, was saying, I think you said that in a.
Terms of contract… uh… terms of… Coverage, or whatever they call it now.
Yes, sir. Terms of service.
Terms of Service, they're saying that, oh, if you die. Uh, we're not gonna help anybody inherit it.
We're just gonna keep it.
Yep. Uh, so I do remember one of the things in this guy's talk.
Was do not… go out and get any… you know, service from Google or any other.
External service company under your own name. Everything needs to be in the name of.
Such and such trust, or the, uh… such and such corporation. Or a corporation. Yep.
Llcs and corporations, but… If you put it under a personal human's name.
Terms of service are going to say, if that person isn't living, it's over.
It's ours, right?
I don't know if they can say it's ours, but it mysteriously will no longer be accessible.
How about that? I wonder where it went, right?
Which elbow?
Uh-huh. Yep. So anyway, I do intend to get my butt out onto YouTube and listen to that again, but uh…
Well, you know…
I mean, I guess we could potentially… the guy wrote a book about this, so we could… ask him if he'd like to speak to our group, but as I said, he's primarily.
He's a financial guy, and not a techie guy, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good talk, so…
Well, the point is that he's talking about the recovery of assets that are.
Out on the internet, or wind up out on the internet, or accessible through the internet, and that's the kind of stuff that.
Yep.
We're concerned about, right? Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Rattle, rattle, boom, bang. Anything more to say here that I need to type out?
I mean… Okay.
Yes, not?
I mean, could have, but I didn't really want to. And these are the meeting schedule, these are dates coming up. Got anything lined up for September, Gary?
Badly? No. Uh, I have been… Uh, let's see… I've talked to…
Red Hat, still waiting for a call back. And uh… haven't heard anything yet, so I'm beginning to think there probably isn't going to be any offered from them.
I really wanted Sousa. Since, uh… two days ago, I think it was?
Is the 20th anniversary? It's on our calendar. 30th. 30th? Of the Open SUSE project starting.
And then, uh, one or two days ago was the anniversary of Sousa being gobbled up by.
Hp Enterprises, Microsoft, some… one of these merger things. So I figured, hey, with all these anniversary dates for SUSE.
It'd be nice to get them to talk, so… Uh, so I tracked down the guy who used to be… well, the guy who was supposedly our contact, I hadn't heard back from in a long time.
And, uh, so I tracked down the former contact person. And he no longer works for SUSHA, but he said, oh yeah, the guy he turned us over to.
Got laid off from SUSE. And, uh, so then subsequent conversation I had with him, he found out that the guy did get hired back.
By SUSE, but to work in a different, uh, section. So, he gave me the name of the manager.
Who used to be over both of them, and uh… so I'm gonna contact the manager and see, okay.
Who… who would you like to be our contact person?
Have you had any offers of somebody to help you find.
Talks? Typical. Normal, right? Okay.
Uh, no.
I mean, the people on this conversation, uh, thank you, Grant, uh, thank you, Steven.
Um, thank you, Lee. Thank you, Stan. I mean, you guys are the most frequent source, so…
I did also talk… or I should say, text with, uh.
Greg Ray. Uh, he did a talk for us… oh, it's probably been 6 years ago.
And Greg is primarily a Macintosh person. But I wanted Greg to talk about the BSD stuff in Macintosh.
And, uh, haven't really got them sold on it yet. You need… He just kind of hemmed and awed and wanted to talk about something else. I said, no, we don't want to hear about.
Apple stuff, we want to hear… But the underlying Unix, uh, the underlying BSD.
So, um…
Well, you know, if it's… if it's compatible with Unix, we're interested in it for the main.
Yeah, yeah. I also talked to Brian Belgary, uh. And a couple things here in the, uh… agenda.
You've seen his name mentioned. Uh… Brian has been a member of the group for years and years. The particular.
Job he's in right now has unfortunately drugged him kicking and screaming into Microsoft.
Um, but, uh, he was building… Building a computer in his basement, and wanted to build a new computer.
Brian has always been more interested at DSD than he was in Linux.
And uh… so, as he built this new computer, he promised me that, okay, he was gonna put Linux on it.
And uh… and then he'd do a talk on, okay, as a… As an old BSD user, uh…
You know, getting back into Linux again. Here's the things where I went, oh yeah!
Oh, yeah, that's different. Oh yeah, I should do this. Uh, which I think would make an interesting talk. However.
Uh, Brian still hasn't got his, uh. Computer up and running yet.
And so, we're still thinking. Hopefully October, but he's not going to be ready for September.
At least he's… he stuck his foot in it, and said he wanted to do something, right?
Yeah, yeah. And obviously, as you can tell from the last two.
So…
People I have spoken about. Uh, that's what I'm looking for for the general, is, you know, not that I dislike Linux.
But, uh, you know, we used to have… we used to call the BSD boys, the Beastie Boys.
Uh, who are BSD… users in the group, and we haven't done anything for BSD in quite some time, so…
Trying to scare somebody up to do a BSD talk, but uh… I'm not winning.
Um, reach out to Michael W. Lucas.
Okay.
He is a BSD person at heart.
All right. Can we still have his phone.
He probably won't be able to do anything. Without some lead time, but…
He, uh, might be able to do something.
We got no problem with lead time. You know, somebody will say that they'll do it 3 months from now, we're happy.
All right?
Okay, I don't have his contact info on my phone. I'll have to go back and look through my email, but I think I've been in contact with him before.
Yeah, he's who introduced me to you all.
Yeah. Yeah, he was, uh… I think he did a… didn't he do… I think he did a presentation for us.
I think he did, yeah. Run your own mail server.
Yeah. Yeah.
I showed up to heckle him, and I stayed.
Yeah!
And as Lee can tell you online, I still heckle him.
What's this guy's name?
Michael W. Lucas.
That look about right. Or was it an AS.
L-u-c-a-s.
Okay.
Okay, so here's my, uh, commode-hugging time. Next thoughts. And by the way, I apologize for being so scatterbrained.
The… the… my… my cell phone. Has decided to play.
Frigging games with me. So yesterday. It wouldn't… goal, the damn USC…
Usb-c connector. Apparently, there's… Known bugs with them, collecting dust and dirt as a connector.
And so, yesterday, it wouldn't take a charge. I had to… Get it cleaned, and I thought I had it working, and yeah, it worked for a while in the afternoon, and then it died last night, and it wouldn't take a charge again.
Yeah.
And, uh, so… Hopefully, today's efforts… I didn't get it working again until 4.30 this afternoon.
But, uh, so I'm a little behind on life, but, uh… It is a personal problem, so…
Sound like… sounds like a personal problem.
But anyway, my next two thoughts here… Uh, is to go with the usual suspects, uh.
I've been trying to stay in touch with Scott Graneman for the last month and a half, and he's been.
Extremely quiet. I'm guessing he's been maybe traveling, vacationing? Um, but, uh, I can bug him again and see if, if nothing else, he would like to do the next decade of his continuing history.
Yep.
Saga. Um… Another thought, uh, was, uh, let's think, um…
Oh, um, Andrew Denner. And I loved Andrew's last talk. He always does good talks.
He had offered… two or three other titles, uh… The last time he spoke to us, last month?
And, uh, so I'm guessing that if I bugged him and said, hey, can you do one of the other titles for us next week?
Probably… yeah.
Uh, yeah. Ask him for, you know, give him a lead time, you know, say, not September, how about October or November? You know, given.
Give them a lot of lead time to hang himself.
Hardware giving me options, or give me an option. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I'll give it an option.
Yeah. You know, it sounds less… less pressure, you know?
Yeah. I mean, we are desperate, but, you know, this is, you know, if we line something up for November, that's wonderful.
You know?
Oh, yeah, yeah. So, uh, so yeah, I will…
Contact them, and uh… Yeah, I mean, if he'd rather do it in November.
Right? Uh, booktail. But anyway, that still means we need something for next Wednesday night. We need both a tutorial.
And we need a main. And I didn't mention Thursday night lug meeting yet, because.
I'm hoping to hell that. Sousa gets their act together and calls me back and tells me.
Like I said, I've got the name of the manager. At SUSE, and hopefully… he'll assign somebody as a new contact person, and.
And, uh, get us something going there. Either that or Red Hat would make a good talk for the Thursday log.
Hey, I'd like to point out the next TIRCOM. September meeting 29th.
To cover October. And, uh… Those are all… I think I got all those dates.
Proper. Just. As a reference.
And what other… there was something else I wanted to bring up.
I will go into the minutes here. And, uh, put in the name.
Of the people at Sousia. Uh, jumping back, uh, to a second.
Okay.
Okay, next Wednesday night. Like I said, we need a tutorial.
And a main. Um… Yeah, yeah. Um…
What else is new?
Besides the people I just mentioned to. Try and finagle. Anybody have any other suggestions?
Crickets. Crickets. Well, unfortunately, I want to be 2,000 miles away.
Crickets.
Okay. Lee, there's this thing called the internet. Thank you.
Gary, that means you can do a presentation from wherever you are.
Hmm.
That's true.
You've got a key to me?
All right, well, if anybody thinks of any other alternatives, by all means.
Drop me a text message, and we'll hope that my phone still works, or send me an email.
Wait, you look at email?
That's been known to happen. I don't think so, because you've got, like, 14…
Oh.
Gigabytes worth of crap that you haven't looked at in the last 10 years, so… Oh, well, that's it.
I thought you deleted that.
That's what I told them.
Uh… Gary, just uses that trick…
Trip Tucker address up on… on, uh, Gmail. And he's not forwarding any Garriott Slug email to.
To where he can read it. So… There's probably 300 people that have offered to do stuff since, you know.
Sent abstracts and slides and all kinds of stuff to his… email address on slug.org, and he's not even looking at the crap.
Now, I've been thinking about going into his sign-in account and put a dot forward.
File in there. Think that'd work, Lee?
Well, maybe we can forward the entire 14 gigabytes and let Google play with it.
Yeah, that'd be great. It'd filter all the crap out for him.
Or some of it, anyway.
Yeah, I think let's do that. All in favor say aye.
You…
Yeah, and the result of that vote was a no. Ocean failed!
Motion failed. Motion's still downloading at 14.4.
Ta-da! Okay. Okay. Uh, and…
Every other day when I try to call Gary, uh, it says that his.
Email, or his message. Voicemail box is full!
And, uh. Good grief. Um…
I'd also like to mention that. Monday, I got a…
A, uh, uh… message, a text message.
That was sent… Friday. So, AT&T had quite a backlog on messages.
Over the 3A or 4-day holiday, whatever it was. Yeah, great.
Really? Wow. No kidding.
Of course, that's been happening a lot lately in the last… 6 months.
I've seen that quite a bit. I'll… I'll get… a lot of times, I'll get stuff on Monday that was… supposedly dropped in my voicemail box on a Friday.
And, you know, 3 or 4 days off. Enough of that.
Any…
I did see a, uh… Just a headline with no… No meat to the story, uh, that apparently today, uh.
Somebody in the government, uh… So that the Communist China.
Has done a… it's been revealed there's a major, major. Infiltration and do a bunch of U.S. Corporations, and it's all… all being routed back to ComChive.
What else? What else is new?
Yeah. Dollar Microsoft accounts.
Mm-hmm.
Anything to say about server admin? I'm not…
I'm not even looking at stuff anymore.
Um, there was a message to the mailing list. Question about the website.
Let me pull it up. Um…
Which one?
Mike Knight sent an email… 823… Sloop web menu concerns.
Uh… Give me a minute here, I'm… I'm a little bit brain-dead right now.
Come on…
Sysadmin.
Come on.
Mouse doesn't want to cooperate.
Shit.
What were you looking for, Grant?
I found it.
I don't see it for artists. Last entry, Mike Knight. Oh, multiple description, address, confusion, okay.
Um.
You want me to share, Stan?
Yeah, I'm… I'm having trouble finding it.
So I gotta find a freakin' monitor.
You change what's on the screen doesn't mean you should take control of my screen.
Alright, where'd it go? Son of a bitch.
Where did my green embargo? Do you guys see the message here? I do.
Yeah.
Yep. Okay.
That's not the message I'm looking into.
But it seems to be… yeah. That's it.
What menu? Great.
Members not found, contacts not found.
Does that mean I should fix this? I could… I…
Conceptually, somebody should.
Okay, I guess… I guess I'll take some time and fix it.
Um, hit me up if you want to work on it together.
Nah, if I spend time on it, I know how to fix this stuff.
Yeah, I got… I got too many other things in my backlog that I ought to be sending your way.
But that… Okay?
Fair enough. Just bring it up because I saw it… to the mailing list, and hey.
Yeah. Yeah, thank you.
Having steercom probably should mention. Yep.
Yeah, it's, uh… I saw it too, and it's… you know, it's on the bottom of my seven… page to-do list.
Only 7 pages? We're…
Well, that's the, uh, for the… for the group. You know, I'm not talking about my life.
Awesome. Okay. Gotcha.
The abbreviated list.
Yeah. Oh, I, uh, oh, I got those… that… I got those, too.
You know, I got this… those little yellow stickies and X pad.
All right.
I had, like, 180 of them, and something broke, and I need to recover those. I'm back to, like.
37 of them now. That was in addition to my regular to-do list.
Okay. I'll find it, I know, I recognize it.
Alright, you good with it, Shane? Okay, I'll turn it back over to you.
Aw, crap.
There we go.
Damn thing. Um…
Yep, yep.
Yes.
Am I sharing the agenda now? Okay. All right, uh, anything just more to… oh, see.
So far as we still need to up… finish upgrading email.
I'm blanking. What's the…
What's the upgrade on email of the way?
Maybe, man, 2 to 3. Mailing list manager.
Still what's holding it up is the mailing list. So, when Stan, go up there and change that email to mailman.
What line?
Uh… 6.30? Right, right under 630?
We're not upgrading email, we're upgrading mailman. No, down, down, down, down.
25, 630. About 8 lines above where you were originally.
The hell am I looking for?
Well, when he's saying 6.30, he means the date. The date, 25-06-7.
What line on the screen?
Uh, 48. 648. 648, okay.
640…
Now, go down one line to the end. Change email to mailman.
Oh, okay. Makes sense.
Uh, if you care, the second M is lowercase.
Wow. I do care.
Why don't you make the sentence a little more detailed and say, upgrading mailman to.
Two, Mailman 3.
Right? Version 3?
You want to make the first mailman version, too?
God… redundant.
I know, peanut's fed. Cool.
I'm starting to twitch here, folks.
Glitch here.
Does Steve go to sleep?
I know.
Hello?
There he is!
I don't know if he…
Um… I'm starting to think my connection is…
Scurry again.
What kind of… I thought you had fiber out there, Stan.
I don't know… I don't know what's in the backyard. Well, it rained… it rained today.
What's going on?
The day before yesterday, and it seems like. The day after it rains, it gets… it gets screwy.
It may have something to do with that tree hanging on the wire.
Well, yeah, I… it might have been it.
I got most of the tree off of the wire. But I've been told I should not take the ladder out there and go up and pull it off.
Why?
Because I'm 77 years old, and the statistics for… people over 60 is the…
Head injury. Falling off ladders is the, uh…
Primary cause of death.
I guess that means you shouldn't use ladders, or you should… practice. That's just the practice.
So, Stan, if you're able to get a, uh, cherry picker or a scissor lift?
Yeah… That's no…
How old was Melinda when he died?
David, uh… Wallenda, the famous trapeze guy.
Who?
I don't know.
Now, the Wire Walker. Wire walker, that's right, Wire Walker. But I guess he wasn't using the ladder, so…
Uh, blah, blah, blah.
Well, Stan, I have to remind you that the secret to not falling off a ladder is using the right ladder.
The right way.
Well, I do have a $2 letter in the basement I sometimes use. I probably should disassemble and burn it.
Donate it. Give it to the res…
Yeah. Hmm. No… no, it's a $2 letter. The only thing worse than a $3 ladder is a $2 ladder.
A borrowed $2 ladder.
Yeah. Anything to say about Tabaka… more about the Baca upgrade?
Haven't done anything this year.
Website maintenance, um…
Oh…
I don't… I'm not aware of any changes. Do you want to make reference to…
Mike's thing.
Nah, it's covered up above.
Okay.
Thank you for finding that error, Grant. Anything else?
Yep.
I haven't had a lot of time the last two weeks to do stuff.
What else is new, right?
Swear the word faster and faster.
Uh…
Or, uh…
They stand in the, uh… May entry.
Uh, second line. Uh, 735.
What line?
Have been deleting excess Zoom stored files. Uh, what's…
Yeah?
Yeah, what's Zoom storing? Any idea?
Yeah, I do. You wanna know?
Videos. We've only got 5GB of storage, and after about a month, they have to delete them or they fall off.
Oh, okay.
Yeah. And I had not been deleting him because I had not… started using the new.
Procedure would get and all that stuff that…
Sean had developed. What, 4 or 5 months ago?
So I haven't found an assistant either.
What, you don't have an automated intern yet?
Mmm, that's a concept that… It's beyond me.
Just an AI.
If only stupid.
I can't spell AI.
Anything else to say here?
Website meetup maintenance. What do you want to say about Meetup, Gary?
I'd like to say that Meetup sucks. For those of you who weren't following along, back in… before…
Our… July meeting.
Uh… all of a sudden, I couldn't… couldn't get into our site. It wouldn't let me… and then I realized.
It wasn't letting me manage the site, it wasn't even letting me log in on my account on Meetup.
And uh… so I went to their webpage and said. You know, if you got a problem.
And, uh, so I said, hey. My account seems to be not working. Deactivated.
Got a response back, oh, well, there's been a complaint that you're a hacker, you know.
I was doing something bad. And, uh, so your account's been deactivated because of that.
Uh, so if you want to appeal this, fill out this form.
So I filled out the form. A couple weeks went by.
Never got a response. Typed… typed another… thing in. They sent me another farm.
So I now have two tracking numbers on this. Weeks went by, our August meeting came and went, and I still had no access to Meetup.
And, uh, finally, I sent and I copied Stan on it, just a really nasty note. They had the balls to… send me a questionnaire or something like, what did I think of their, uh.
Responsiveness or something like that, right? Needless to say, I wasn't at all complimentary.
Um…
Got some manager wrote back to me and said, uh, let me look into this, and… within a couple of days, I got a note saying.
Oops, sorry, the original complaint was a mistake. Never mind. But it took off the two numbers to do this.
Uh-huh.
Um, Gary, there's a… poem you should look up.
What do teachers make? By Taylor Molly. I'll find a link to it.
You're talking about they asked you to… be honest and provide a survey.
Any more response there? Line, uh… 763?
Hmm. About webmeetup.com?
Well, scroll down a little bit, but I couldn't read it.
I think that's enough, Sid. Anything to say about, uh…
What's wrong with you, Gary? Do you have a real computer?
I know, I don't re… Okay, stop.
This is… oh, okay.
Okay. Uh, alright, yep. That's good.
When you're bored, watch the, uh, recording of Taylor Molly reading his poem.
It's 3 minutes, you'll like it. M-a-l-i.
How do you spell that last name?
I shared a link to it.
Great, got it.
Anything more to say about internet? Presence on other social media?
I don't… I don't know.
I haven't heard anything back from… Sean or James… by the way, James is alive, he…
Did, uh… I did get fixed range and stuff with them a week or two ago.
But yeah, I haven't heard either of them mention any traffic in the world of… of, uh, social media.
About us.
I'm on Discord, and I think the policy discord is they don't want you advertising stuff like our group.
From my… what I understand. So I haven't done anything there, and I don't intend to, because that's too much work.
Work!
A 3-hour cruise.
Work! Comments?
That'll be nice.
Okay. Announce mailing list.
Anything you say about that?
I'd say none. Cameras, hard drives, microphones, projectors… I got 2 projectors here.
I think 3, actually. At least one of them belongs to Slug.
So one, uh, that Andrew Laysom gave us. Really nice thing.
At the time, I think it was… I think it was at least a $3,000 machine, I think.
Has anybody heard from Andrew and… the last year?
Every once in a while, he talks to… with, uh… Bill Bunch.
Oh, okay.
But, uh… My understanding is he's… he lives in Colorado.
Somewhat north of Denver. Somewhere in that area.
It's where I was.
Attendance database…
Uh…
Somebody was gonna email me that at some point.
Now, actually, the next one down. The planning schedule report.
It works fine. It's the others.
Bill…
You know, it's still… It's still on the to-do list, like everything else lately.
Um, yeah. Real life is interfering with.
Yep, I can get it.
Things I would like to do.
All right, absolutely get.
Um…
Handouts.
No change, haven't had enough time.
Organizational papers.
Barry knew it was coming, so he disappeared.
Uh-huh.
Sponsorships!
Wait, has anybody offered to give us money?
No, not lately.
That covers that. Gary, have you done anything with Burroughs?
Jerry, you know anything with Burroughs? Gary?
Well, he left again. I'm sorry, what am I being called for?
Have you done anything with burrows? Uh, no.
I haven't… no one… has said anything about… they know anybody at Burroughs, and I haven't…
Made any phone calls to Burroughs Corporate to find out what's going on.
Are they still around? They closed their office, uh, downtown.
So, I don't even know if there is a borough's office in St. Louis anymore.
Well, Burroughs is now, you know, Unisys.
Yeah, but that was, like, 40 years ago, wasn't it? When you merge. Uh…
Not quite 40. Well, I'm saying it's been a long time ago. Yeah, it's been, like, 15 years or something.
But as near as I can figure out, if you want to go with, you know, the beginning of corporations, boroughs may be.
The first… corporation that became a computer company. I mean, they started out making adding machines, but…
That was how they got into the business. But the fact that they started.
Basically in downtown St. Louis.
Are they. What, uh, anniversary are they coming up on?
Oh, hold on, it's on our calendar. Bye.
We have a calendar? With historical events, oh my goodness, my!
Me, oh, me, oh my. Whoa.
I hate to say this, but the… That kind of thing.
If Stan had the energy, he could do a base presentation on it.
But that's not likely to happen.
So, on August… oh… Let's see… August the 21st…
18, 18… Burroughs patented calculating machine.
In 1818?
I'm sorry, 1888, I'm sorry.
So were they coming up on 150?
Yes, that would be right. Let's see.
That… that top line there under Burroughs that says Unisys 140th birthday.
Okay.
In… in January of 20… 26. Coming up. 141st date for Unisys.
Okay. And that's what Gary was aiming at, the January… fine. What?
This coming January. Not the past one.
Enough said?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just if anybody knows anybody who had work there, or…
Yeah, I was just…
I may have a contact.
I don't know anybody, Gary, who knows I do now. They all retired and died.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I figure, you know, hell, you'd think somebody in the city of St. Louis, you know, just as a historical item.
Would, uh, want to, uh. Want to invest?
Calls Channel 5! Call Channel 5! They always like filler.
Yeah.
Let's give Gary more to do.
Yeah, so 140th anniversary is coming up. Yeah, this January, so… Alrighty.
Yeah. Unix time counter.
Oh, well, we… Yeah, that's coming up in, uh… 2038, okay?
So, you think we can get something together by then? I mean, Grant did… yeah, Grant had suggested it, and maybe, uh…
Maybe.
We only have about 15 years or so to… deal with it.
Yeah.
By the way, I was taking so long to find that date for Burroughs, because I was… spelling it B-O-R-R-O-W-S.
I spell phonetically.
I get it.
Hmm…
I do have it listed in our broken landing schedule database.
Yeah, toward the very end. Omnitech change, yeah!
It… done. Cool.
Well, it's done.
Success…
Thank you. With an assist from Grant.
The hardest part was finding somebody at AT&T.
You understand why I said don't submit the ticket, we canceled the window.
We waited around for, like, 45 minutes, and Lee's like, I'm gonna… put a ticket in saying the window's over.
At about 10 minutes later, the guy showed up. What do you mean time zone problems?
Oh, weird.
Something like that.
Yeah, he… I think he… he was… he had Eastern Time.
In his calendar. Or something like that, and…
It was, you know, it was an hour later here.
Yeah. But he was actually in Central.
Well, he wasn't in Central, he was in India.
Well, he was working Central Time. But he listed Eastern.
Don't want to get.
Do we have any new business we need to do, Wolf?
Not aware of.
Okay. I'd say…
Uh, Gary has a question. Line 993.
Go ahead.
My little brain just fried. Here's Nick and Eli?
Nick and Alanis. I mean, that's how it's spelled!
Oh, okay. And the problem is, I've expanded it so big.
That on my screen, it just got to ELI, and I… And it runs off the edge of the screen. I didn't realize it. My fault, never mind.
Okay. Hmm…
Uh, should the Red Hat… issue be listed as a separate category next time around?
Um, yeah, maybe. Maybe.
Okay.
I mean, I do want to keep basically bugging him. Since you have, they want to do… a reboot of their local Red Hat user group, and yeah, we're just…
Trying to accommodate that, so yeah, it's like…
You want them to buy pizza.
Ah, well… And beer, yep.
And beer.
Lee wants him to buy anchovies. Amen.
With some anchovies.
Okay. I'll put…
Gary, I haven't… or a topic. It's probably going to make league.
Ipv6.
Lee, do you have any IPv6 address space, or can you get it?
Now?
No clue.
Do you have any interest in it?
Absolutely not. Get credit for honesty.
He…
Although, we do have an active NIC handle now, so we could probably get a block from Aaron.
I've got… got it deactivated on all my… Laptops.
And workstations.
Practically everybody I talk to is… Got it deactivated, or doesn't use it, or doesn't care.
Or…
I actually haven't activated and dual-stack things.
You have or have not?
By actively use it.
Oh. Yeah, because I thought you said you have it deleted and dual-stack things.
Dual stack. I, uh, my systems use both IPv4 and IPv6.
Yeah. I think… I think the first presentation we had on it was.
That's wild.
I think you're right.
Given by Day Forest. As I recall. And at the time, nobody understood any of it, except Dave.
Because he'd been using it with… people in China as customers.
Somehow or another.
Because I think it was a Canadian Lumbering Company, he was dealing with.
Had somebody in China as a customer. Or they had… need… to deal with…
People in China, it's different. Canadian customer that had.
Need to deal with China, or something like that, I don't know.
Thought he was renting property, and he wanted to rent it to people in China, or something like that.
Details, I don't… Yeah.
Something like that.
I don't even want to talk about recurring requirements. Because Gary has never really gotten back with me with this thing.
Pause, pause, pause, pause. August, uh, Missouri tax holiday…
That was… we had it on the calendar.
Okay. Uh… newlinux.org domain, and Slack.
I… I did those. I think I did those.
Okay. They're not on the, uh…
Auto-renew the lease setup?
No, because I haven't given all the material… the information like he wanted me to give him, because he… I hadn't gotten around to it, so… He told me what I needed to do, I just haven't done it yet.
Okay.
Wouldn't that be an expense?
I've been paying for it, I've been happy to pay for it.
Okay.
It'd be a group expense, but… that later.
Okay, um… Let's see, so nothing coming up in September, nothing coming up in October.
November, we can start looking for personal parties. Okay.
Crucial efforts. Did anybody do anything?
Well, Grant and I saved everybody's bacon on the network. I was just gonna say, yeah.
Lee, I think you did the heavy lifting. I just, uh… brought a little information to the table.
What happened?
We got it done. Saved, past tense.
What was, bro?
Alright, my brain didn't see that… What was broken?
No worries. No, we got… we got the, uh, BGP.
Converted.
Oh, that was the deal for the end of… end of the month thing.
Yeah, converted, uh, AT&T static route to Omnitech BGP. Bravo Golf Papa.
Border gateway Protocol.
I'm… My fingers weren't… weren't cooperating.
I get it.
Well, there's a three… so… Grant, there's a 3-cylinder… 3-syllable word in that. I wanted to save…
Stan the headache.
Besides, he can… he can talk, uh, phonetics in his sleep, being a military guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Fair enough.
I can still remember how to call in a… mortar.
Alright, and our artillery run. Without killing myself.
There are some days I've wanted to.
Yeah. I don't know. The primary thing is never use the word.
V…
Repeat, and lets you absolutely are… want it to get more artillery.
Than you ever could count.
Okay, BGP conversion from AT&T static route.
To what?
One route, single route.
Oh, okay.
What would have been the consequence if you hadn't affixed it?
We would have lost our traffic.
Oh, yeah.
Is this correct?
Goodly?
Yeah.
Ooh! Sorry. Hm.
Oh, that's weird.
What…
My ASN lookup. Doesn't show any, uh… IPv4 preschool.
I'm sure I heard a sneeze, eh? Your ASN lookup does not show any IPVV4.
I didn't hear the end of that. Prefixes. Prefixes.
What's your ASN?
401-787.
Or zero one. Six stages.
41787.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is. Uh, 206-197-2510-24. And you wouldn't do online if it wasn't there.
I didn't… No, no, I didn't say it wasn't there, I said it didn't show with the bash script I read.
Oh.
Yeah, it is… this thing's using who is.
Do I need to list anything else here? Do we need to do a blue sky recording?
Wow.
I'd say not. How about anybody else?
Blue Sky, and I'll just… uh, rattle off the details from…
Should we record it, yes or no?
Yes.
Yeah, go ahead and record it. So our farmer contact at Red Hat.
I'm sorry, at SUSE. Uh, no longer works for SUSE, so now he works for a company called Wiz.io.
Anybody familiar with that company at all, or hear of it?
Don't even know how to spell it. Okay, so, uh… Anyway, he says they're… Their thing is to…
Uh… provide cloud security for obvious… all these companies are moving their shit to the cloud, and so…
They're trying to make it so the cloud can be safe, so… Uh, I kind of suggested, ooh, well, is that a good talk?
And, uh, he… wasn't too keen to talk about it yet, because basically they don't have any open source aspect to it, basically.
They want people to, you know, pay them to… make their network secure, make their cloud secure.
So, uh, anyway, he said when they get something that… Yeah, it seems like it'd be…
Something you'd want to talk about. An open meeting, then he'll get back to me on that, but uh…
Right now, they just let their salespeople one-on-one with their customers.
I pointed out to Gary that I'd heard a couple of weeks back that Red Hat.
Had been suffering from extreme distributed denial of a service attacks.
And, uh. I don't know if that's been resolved or what. I don't… hadn't heard any more about it.
And actually, this was a… what I was talking about was our SUSE contact.
I know, but that was part of the reason they were having.
Personnel, uh, uh, issues. Coverage.
Okay.
Simple, you know. Because everybody was… running around with, like, chickens with their heads cut off, I guess.
We're broke, we can't do it. Nobody can find us.
Distributed denial of Service.
Bad internet, bad. Anything else?
I guess not. All of them were signified that you'll sign the reponents, no, the ayes have got it.
I move we adjourn the meeting.
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